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18 hours ago, Powerage5 said:

I mean, every Maiden show is great. I always say their weakest gig is still better than most bands' strongest. But I just didn't it was as good as most of the other gigs I saw this year.

Fair enough.

7 hours ago, Powerage5 said:

The Maiden gig this year was not one of the best gigs I saw on this tour. As a matter of fact, I'd probably put it in my bottom 5 (Out of 21 gigs I saw this year). But it was still a special night since it was MSG.

We must have pretty different opinions on what makes a great show or not.  We were second behind the barrier on Dave Murray's side for that show, and I thought it was absolutely great.  Best of the 3 we saw of theirs this year (we also saw them in Vegas and Chicago).

30 minutes ago, Kara said:

I've noticed a lot of people making that same critique. But I don't think it's because he CANT sing his own songs they way he used to, it's just he knows he doesn't have to. With AC/DC, he knows he has to work harder to, not only impress the band, but the bands' fans as well. Maybe part of it was trying to save his voice for the changeover from NITL. Could've been purposely holding back on certain songs. Personally I never saw any of that myself. Granted I didn't see it live, but on all the videos I saw he was killing it, and sounding just as great if not better than he has as of late.

Oh, don't get me wrong: that wasn't meant as a critique. I saw the NITLT show 3 times: NJ, L.A., and San Diego, and he was fantastic each time, but those songs are extremely hard to sing. The ranges go all overtime the place and he has to use more emotion and nuance in his voice at the different ranges, which gives a lot more opportunity to struggle with a certain area or whatever. What I meant was that he could just sort of settle into that one range sing the AC/DC songs and just belt them out without having to suddenly go into a softer singing voice or whatever, so it just allows for an overall more consistent performance.

Hope that made more sense.

This thread is crazy.

Look, anyone trying to downplay Izzy's importance to the success of GnR is being disingenuous and trying to re-write history.  Any really fan of the band should understand this.  It's not just his songwriting, but the way his raw, jagged rhythm playing so amazingly complimented Slash's smoother, more 'professional' rhythm. 

However, the past is the past, and are you _really_ going to let the fact that, whatever the reason is, he isn't involved in the current partial reunion spoil the amazing fact that 3 of the original members, two of whom pretty much no one, including themselves, ever thought would speak to each other again, let alone share a stage and _hug_, ruin your enjoyment of the awesomeness these shows and this tour has been? 

I'm certainly not.  Yeah.... my ultimate dream would be for all 5 to play together again.  Hell, at least 4 (though I still can't get over the fact I actually saw 4 of 5 in L.A.) even.  But I'll take Axl, Duff, and Slash, and I'll be fucking happy as fuck to have been given something that was _never supposed to fucking happen_!

 

9 hours ago, Billsfan said:

And no where in what I typed did I say izzy hated sorum.

I didn't say or imply that you said Izzy hated Sorum.  I'm simply giving evidence that it's not that big of a surprise that he did something with him. 

25 minutes ago, Billsfan said:

What song, FP money? If that's your point then you're absolutely right, just don't forget to add to it the fact that of all the people in the world to play on drums for the song, izzy got Matt Sorum. Matt Sorum. Who knew those two were even speaking for years..?!?! 

Well, at the time I auditioned for Velvet Revolver Izzy was involved, and he wanted to continue but with him as the singer. So he was at least ok enough with Matt's playing for that.

1 minute ago, DieselDaisy said:

It wasn't me who said that. I merely said that quite a few on that non-Stradlin list stink.

Right, Nikki insinuated it, but saying 'quite a few on that non-Stradlin list stink' is a matter of saying the same thing in a different way.  And just as wrongly.

8 minutes ago, Nikki_Sixx said:

Mind you, the chief reason some of those songs were hardly played live is because they are nearly impossible to sing.

Do you REALLY think Axl insists on playing This I Love live because 'it translates well live vs its recorded version' ??? 

He doesn't give a fuck.  They just pick the songs THEY think rock the hardest or they enjoy playing live the most (+ the hits), and hey, surprise surprise, most of those are Izzy co-writes !

 

I said 'usually', not 'solely' or 'always'.  Of course they also choose ones that they particularly enjoy doing live for whatever reason (a particular sentiment, a particular lead Slash likes to play live, balancing the set, and on and on).  The point is, Daisy was insinuating that they aren't played live because they aren't good songs, or as strong as some of the others they have performed live, which is a pretty ridiculous, and baseless aside from personal taste, assertion.

10 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

I cannot fathom anyone loving and respecting 'Shotgun Blues' beyond Slash's leads.

And I can't fathom voting for that, The Garden, or Garden of Eden as some of their worst songs..... but 'I can't fathom' isn't exactly an argument one way or another.

I mean, for heaven's sake, when you're conducting a poll in a place like this, you're also talking a good helping of people who for years denounced much of the original line up and thought Bucket Head and Bumble Foot were where GnR started and ended, so pardon me if I don't put much stock in these polls.

1 minute ago, DieselDaisy said:

Well you are entitled to your opinion but those songs regularly feature near the bottom when we conduct polls here on 'favourite gnr songs'' and such like.

Lucky for me I don't judge good songwriting by what a random internet poll in a fan forum yields, I judge it based on years of studying the subject and doing it, and, as always with anything involved in this, a good helping of my personal opinion. 

Also: there is a whole big world out there outside of these forums.  And at least based on my decades of fandom and talking GnR with folks in the real world, those 3 songs are pretty well loved and respected (Get in the Ring, again, gets more of a mixed reaction).

Just now, DieselDaisy said:

You are kidding? That is some of the worst songs from the old band: Get in the Ring; Shotgun Blues; The Garden; Garden of Eden!

I strongly disagree.  Outside of "Get in the Ring", which I like but don't 'love', the other 3 are among my favorites on those records, and are all very well written.

7 minutes ago, Nikki_Sixx said:

Half of that list were never or hardly ever played live.  There is a reason for that.

Yes, there is a reason for that: it's called 'translation'.  Speaking from experience, the reason you choose which songs you play live is... outside of if they are hit singles.... usually based on whether or not you think they translate well live vs their recorded versions, and has little to do with whether you think they are your 'best' songs or not.  Mind you, this is not a list of 'b' material from the Illusion records, or 'filler'.  They're largely songs that are generally considered to be some of the best on the records. 

2 minutes ago, dalsh327 said:

My Michelle & Mr Brownstone were Izzy's songs so if we get two on a new GNR album, that's sufficient. He's to GNR what Bernie Taupin is to Elton John and Robert Hunter was to the Grateful Dead. If he shows up, great. 

No they weren't.  They were both co-written with other band members.

1 hour ago, sonofnazareth said:

...during the Jones era, the Stones could rival the Beatles in terms of genius pop songwriting....

Are you high? 

You're doing an awful lot of re-writing of rock history and using a lot of over-the-top rhetoric in this thread in your attempts to justify your claims that Brian Jones was the Izzy Stradlin of the Stones.  The Stones were great, but in terms of pure songwriting, they didn't come anywhere close to the genius of the Beatles.  Neither in popular measurement terms like chart success, nor technical aspects like innovative writing such as types of musical influence brought into the rock/pop world or even just chord structures etc. 

18 minutes ago, Original said:

Kurt Loder or Stern would be awesome.  Will never happen though.  Is Loder even in the bis still?  And Axl won't do Stern, Howard is to frontal.   

Kurt does movie reviews at Reason magazine.  I actually saw him do a live interview of Kennedy for her book a couple of years ago (I'm a libertarian, as are both of them, so I run in those circles a little too).

3 hours ago, dgnr said:

Give this man a cookie!

You sir knew it already. Thanks for sharing  

Ha ha..... no problem.  Living in NYC for decades and having various connections.... some looser than others... and a little bit of luck and coincidence, has its perks once in a while.

2 hours ago, sonofnazareth said:

They are f'all without Brian Jones. Izzy is the Brian Jones of GNR. 

You'd have a hard time making that case credibly considering the trio of records that strongly defined their sound came after Jones died and was replaced by Mick Taylor: "Goat's Head Soup", "Sticky Fingers", and what's widely considered to be their greatest record, "Exile on Main Street".  And in either case, the songs, during Brian's life and post his death, were written by Jagger and Richards.  Izzy, on the other hand, was a key writer. 

So, no, Izzy isn't the Brian Jones of GnR.  Jones doesn't hold a candle to Izzy in importance to his band's success.

3 minutes ago, Apollo said:

If I have to explain why those things would be relevant then we really have nothing to discuss. 

I didn't say that ONLY high school and college grads could be brilliant. And I didn't say that a high school drop out couldn't be brilliant. 

But as to the actual point....what makes Axl brilliant?

You're contradicting yourself.  If it's true... and it is... that a high school drop out can be brilliant, and not only high school and college grads are brilliant, then it follows logically that graduating high school and going to college are irrelevant factors in determining whether or not someone is brilliant.

ON the subject of Axl Rose being brilliant, I think it's fairly clear that the person who stated that was talking about being brilliant in terms of a singer/songwriter/performer, and not in the 'he's working on curing cancer' sense, which makes your reply all the more baffling.

10 hours ago, Apollo said:

But didn't he drop out of high school, and never attended college. How come you consider him to be brilliant?

What does dropping out of high school and never attending college have to do with whether or not someone is brilliant?

9 hours ago, SerenityScorp said:

Can I post this on tumblr? 

Sure, I guess.  I don't really understand what tumblr is, but I don't see why not.

"1. When and where Axl and Slash met face to face after so many years "

I have the answer to that.  Someone I know spoke to Slash backstage at one of the shows and according to him, the first voice-to-voice contact was made with Axl calling Slash.  The first face-to-face contact was then made with Slash going to Axl's house for dinner.

Anyway, a couple of thoughts: Slash is probably sitting the interview out for two reasons.  1. Because he really doesn't like to be interviewed, and Axl and Duff are more suitable for talking to the press.  2. Because, like others here have noted, the first interview... if there is to be one... with both Axl and Slash together will probably be, and should be, a bigger thing, so they're purposely holding out until then.

Also, the absolute _best_ venue in terms of reach, importance, influence, and what you'll get in terms of depth of interview would be The Howard Stern Show.  His interviews are legendary, and he very often gets his subjects to talk about things they won't talk about elsewhere, and then many of those revelations are picked up from other huge news outlets.  He's by far the best interviewer out there and Slash has been on several times over the years, and Duff has been on at least once.