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Shockingly the only quotes used in the OP (cough cough Izzy) are ones that were anti-axl. Just shocking.

Im sitting on my couch in vegas awaiting an announcement! Dont know if they wifey would enjoy ringing in 2017 with a 3 hour GNR show lol

He kills it live too

On 9/15/2016 at 8:10 AM, Pink Rose said:

This is why these cowards aren't doing interviews.  They know there are no real reasons to keep Izzy out.  They don't want to admit to the fans that it's their own egos, greed, corruptness and  selfishness that are screwing over their brothers Izzy and Steven.  That's why the only thing Axl could come up with is "I don't know what to say about Izzy."  He isn't dare gonna say the truth "Well, I want all the money for myself."

Is that you Izzy?

On 9/15/2016 at 0:07 PM, GNRfan2008 said:

I wouldn't pay money to see them even with Izzy and Adler. They are all old farts now. Rather stick with the footage from 30 years ago. 

I bet you are fun to hang out with!

On 9/15/2016 at 1:39 AM, Padme said:

It would be interesting if Duff can explain why Izzy will be never be in the partnership again. He better come up with very compelling reasons. Axl had a chance to explain it in the t.v. interview and be specific about it but he blew it.

LOL Jesus like you are owed (or any of us) an explanation on their personal business. No one has to explain anything personal, and Axl was respectful to the obviously delicate situation.

On 9/12/2016 at 7:04 AM, Tom2112 said:

If Izzy and Steven were in the band and Duff and Slash were out, you would be saying they (Duff/Slash) were the soul and sound of GnR, and Izzy and Steven wouldn't be getting love from you. 

Just like countless other bands, GnR have had a ton of different members. It's absolutely pointless to whinge about it constantly. To my ears they sound great without Steven and Izzy (they are certainly tighter). Would it be cool to see them all on stage again? yes. Does it really matter if it happens? no. Are they going to get back together and make a new record? no, and they shouldn't! The AFD line up is great because it was short lived and never had a chance to over stay it's welcome. Let's not ruin that.

We'll see what happens over the next few months and years as far as full reunions go, it really is only a matter of time at this stage. 

On 9/12/2016 at 7:46 AM, TeeJay410 said:

If we're talking purely musically, GNR 2016 is a much better sounding band than GNR 1991. Sure we miss Izzy but it was the raw energy that made those 91 performances. It isn't fair to expect them to conjure that now, it is fair to expect a good functional show. Money disputes can get solved, there has to be a reason beyond that they didn't link up. I don't know if I would bend over backwards to invest in a guy who has been happy as a nomad for the better part of the past 25 years to commit to a 1-2 year long tour, even if that guy was special 25 years ago.

Both posts have nailed it.

16 hours ago, ludurigan said:

thats right, you need to be ruthless in business. YES. 

you are ruthless with everyone you make business with. YES

you are ruthless with the lawyers you hire, with the promoter you deal with, with the record company, your manager, roadies, everyone.

you are not ruthless with someone that you formed a band with, someone you wrote songs with, someone that you shared some of the best years of your life with. NO

you just dont do that.

 

Whats ruthless about saying I bring more to the table so I will get paid more? We're 100% invested, youre only going to be popping in from time to time guest appearances, so you will get lower. Thats not ruthless. Thats logic.

13 hours ago, DieselDaisy said:

I'm not interested in any of this shit. It is all business and money and branding and ''Axl's version'' of what Guns is which is in effect the ''partnership'' (none of the others wanted the partnership). When Guns were formed and Appetite was released it was five equals.

So basically when presented with facts and logic, you disregard them. Got it. Moving on...

15 hours ago, GNRDK said:

Some of you guys thinks it's just about "money". But you forget about the symbolic meaning the money has. If you are paying Axl, Duff and Slash more money, then you are automatically saying that they have more importance and value for the band, Guns N' Roses. And come on, some of you, seriously. Izzy is by far just - if not more - important to Guns N' Roses in form of the song writing etc.

This is exactly what we are saying. No one in a business is making the same across the board. Its based on importance and what you bring to the business. Again separate song writing and a world tour. Sure they need Izzy to make music. GNR isnt making music though. We're talking a world tour where Izzy is far from the biggest factor, as we can all see based on its success. Take out your emotions and think like a businessman. 

Just now, DieselDaisy said:

I do not think that is strictly true. Immediately after quitting the Illusion World Tour in late 1991, he immediately went on his own world tour 1992-3. That does not strike me as the actions of a man who hates international touring per se. I think he hated many aspects of the Illusion tour, the lateness and drugs, associated with the 'excesses' at the time. Probably he did prefer smaller venues also.

How many world tours as Melissa done?

Is the reunion tour now some sort of finishing school, towards which you have to pass various quotas of touring before being accepted?

No were(or maybe just me) speculating on why GNR might have been hesitant to bring him on for a full tour given everything from leaving the tour in 91, saying he wasnt big on stadium tours, not ever touring his own music sans 92-93, and the risk of him leaving tour again for whatever reason. (Melissa for all intents and purposes stands there and bobs her head for a couple hours)

16 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

1992 - 93 he played seventy-six shows on a world tour in support of the Ju Ju Hounds.

Exactly. He hasnt done a tour since 92-93

2 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

Well,  if that is what counts and I suppose it does. I don't care about any of that shit personally; you'll never see me post on a thread such as this,

http://www.mygnrforum.com/index.php?/topic/216474-billboard-not-in-this-lifetime-grossed-117-million-so-far/

for instance as I simply have no interest in this sort of stuff.

I would have preferred them to play clubs theatres and charge £10 at the door. Stadium rock, nor the money involved (and the obsession with money), is not really my thing.

Point is tour is going just fine without Izzy regardless of what he stirs up and we analyze. I would love for Izzy to be there and Ax/Izzy sharing the mic on 14 years, but thats the fan in me and I understand its a business and not 1988 anymore. If they reconcile, great. But I wont let it keep me from enjoying the semi reunion. I had a blast when they came to town. 

1 minute ago, DieselDaisy said:

I keep hearing people saying, ''the only thing that matters is Axl and Slash'', yet, the pertinent news item made,

http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/izzy-stradlin-says-he-isnt-involved-with-guns-n-roses-reunion-because-they-didnt-want-to-split-the-loot-equally/

http://teamrock.com/news/2016-09-08/izzy-stradlin-guns-n-roses-absence-axl-rose-lineup

and the fact this very thread is forty-seven pages long tells you something.

I think the pertinent news item is that GNR made over 130 million dollars in 5 months and are about to rock sold out SA. Our little bubble on this forum isnt affecting 99% of people going to see GNR in 2016.

2 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

Axl didn't play a live show for seven years before Vegas/Rio 3. Should we have doubted him?

I see no reason to disbelieve that Izzy can rehearse, be punctual and play a full world tour in 2016.

Do we really need to bring Axl's stats into this? Cause football doesnt start for another hour...

Axl has roughly played over 250 shows since 93 that range from 2-3 hours. Hes been touring pretty regularly since 2010. When again did Izzy do a full tour?

53 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

But it is further evidence that contradicts this opinion on Izzy, propagated in this thread by Izzy's detractors, that he basically did nothing after 1991, or recorded songs in his house as one poster erroneously stated!

Eleven albums

Eighty solo shows

Circa forty guest appearances

 

LOL WOW 80 shows in 24 years. If you spread it out on average it LOOKS like he played 3.3 shows per year.

But we all know 72 of them came in 92-93. Axl/Slash/and Duff dwarf those numbers just in the past 5 years

Im only concerned with playing live at this point. Posting his albums has nothing to do with why he isnt getting equal pay among the band.

47 minutes ago, Darkenchantress said:

Where does it come from the whole "Izzy doesn't like touring" anyway? Cause I recall him saying somewhere he doesn't know what is about it. I mean, he left the band to keep his mental sanity on the first place. I guess is fucking difficult to stay sane with all those drugs around when you just quit, he was fed up with Axl's lateness and stupid thematic parties that costed too much (Slash says this on his bio too), that doesn't mean he didn't like touring, he just didn't like touring that way. He toured with the Jujus around the world with apparently no problem. Now, 25 years later, no drugs involved apparently, all of them being old respectable married/settled men (lol) don't you think he might maybe be able to do a tour? It's not like a marathon. And that quote of him saying he needed several weeks to recover and so on, well, fuck it, it takes me one week to recover from a long busy weekend, I don't really think that means anything.

That was only 24 years ago. Axl especially has always put on 2.5 shows whenever he is touring. Izzy or ANYONE for that matter would be obliterated doing 2.5 shows 30+ cities in a couple of months after not doing anything like that for 24 years or ever.. 

And the last part of your post is kind of a big deal. They didnt trust that he could hang on for the full tour, however far it went. A quote like that gives the assumption that he couldnt do it.

Lets just pretend it started out with Izzy, Slash, Duff, Axl and halfway through Izzy has to bow out for unspecified reasons. That would send everything into chaos and in the media. Were talking millions of dollars, and it could potentially affect the tour. It would be 91 all over again. Its just not worth the risk. 

8 hours ago, double talkin jive mfkr said:

im gonna lay it in hard on Axl now 

the guy totally seems like a douche in his interviews! this is after me loving worshipping him after all the fucking shit 

talking vaguely like he's above it all, saying my people, the guy is a total primadona and hasn't changed one bit - people do not change 

izzy is real and the rest well are in there little line of servants and its gay 

dont get me wrong im 1 die hard gnr fan but this whole axl izzy shit is fucking way offside 

GNR CAMP 

CLEAN IT UP AS I WAS GONNA BUY SOUTH AMERICA TICKETS AND NOW IM TOTALLY AMBIVALENT...honestly

Trollling hard or super delusional. If you think Axl came off like a douche in the interview youre part of the problem as to why GNR never do promos

8 hours ago, GNRfan2008 said:

The 1992 partnership contract was 36.33% Axl, 33.33% Slash, and 30.33% Duff. Supposedly the terms are now more favorable for Axl. Rumors that he might be getting 50% now. Slash and Duff still doing very very well for themselves obviously, especially considering much higher ticket prices and the fact Axl is not costing them a shitload of money through curfew fines, riots, etc. 

There is absolutely no rumor Axl gets 50% other than the BS spewed on this forum.

9 hours ago, GNR1975 said:

As soon as the line-up for this tour was announced , anyone with a grain of common sense knew exactly what was happening. I was amazed that people actually thought that Izzy wasn't included because he did not want to do a big tour, or that Adler wasn't up to it. That was  bullshit right from the start....... It was always about the $.

As much as we love him, I think that we all accept that Axl can be a bit of a dick. He wanted to do a cash grab tour, which is fine, but he knew that it would never work with the complete nonentities he's been touring with for god knows how long. He had to get at least some of the original band back for those $ to roll in. Thing is, being a bit of a dick, he wanted most of those $ for himself. He wanted to get the AFD members back, but keep the  employer arrangement he had with the likes of Buckethead! Izzy probably thought it would be cool to get the band back together, but then realised that Axl was trying to fuck him over and said..... "No thanks"! Slash and Duff on the other hand have excepted Axl as their boss, or perhaps have taken a junior partner type role.

 

On the one hand I admire Izzy for telling Axl to shove it up his arse, because as we know, Izzy is a cool guy. A guy with integrity, who did not say a word about the reasons he wasn't on the tour. He just moved on in his own quiet way. Axl then opened his fat mouth and started talking shit, so Izzy had to speak the truth, which he has. However, on the other hand, I'm glad that Slash and Duff have agreed to bend over and take it up the cornhole from Axl, because if they didn't....... we would not have these shows.

This really does sound like a trolll. Yea man izzy is so f'n cool he's just above the bullshit. Meanwhile tweets like a high school girl then deletes it.

8 hours ago, bigpoop said:

I find it kind of funny that this is celebrated.

 

Yeah, it's nice that they are doing so well, but let's not forget one of the  main reasons the grosses are so high is that the tickets are really fucking expensive.

So are any other shows that are near the profit of GNR

13 hours ago, SWINGTRADER said:

It is funny reading some comments on the internet claiming the tour was flopping. 

All of this without any promotion or TV appearances. Imagine had they been able to fully reunite and promote the hell of it using all media. 

Maybe it was a smart move. Less promotion= less money spent.

Promo was everywhere, on tv/theaters, especially online. I even got back from New Orleans (live in vegas) and all the horse carriages were painted all GNR

1 minute ago, bigpoop said:

That's not how Axl described it in the interview that started all of this. And I didn't call anyone ticket sellers.  I was making a very basic point that seems to have gone over your head.

Youre burying your head in the sand if you really believe Axl and Slash would be on stage together if not for Duff being a buffer/mediator.

3 minutes ago, sonofnazareth said:

Izzy came out and handed them their asses on a plate with his twitter comment - A real badass. 

No, he looks like a butthurt celebrity ala Taylor Swift or Kanye West. Running to twitter is a bitch move. The band will move on to South America and destroy crowds while keyboard warrior Izzy will be scheming up his next tweet.

1 hour ago, Radio flyer said:

Axl, Duff and Slash make more money on this tour without Izzy than with him. This tour exists only for one reason- and that is to make a LOT of money. They accomplished that mission. That's just the black and white financial reality. 

Again, to be clear: They could have brought Izzy in with an equal share, and it would have been so cool to see them all on stage together playing the songs that they created, but Axl, Slash and Duff would receive less money. This tour is about money and ONLY money. That is ok and their right but let's not all pretend that this tour is about creativity or mending emotions. The 2016 version of Guns n' Roses is about playing 25-30 year old songs (along with scheduled trips to the beer line and restroom, better known as "Chinese Democracy" songs) to people that will pay as much money as possible in the biggest venue possible. That will happen until people stop paying and promoters stop offering them insane deals. 

I do not expect one note of new music out of this lineup. They will come back to USA next year to play shows for AFD 30th Anniversary.

They are a "legacy" band now like Journey and Lynyrd Skynyrd. It's just sad that they continue to tarnish that legacy with greed and infighting, but it is what it is. 

I saw the shows at The Troubadour and Dodgers Stadium and had fun, but feel no need to go again unless they have new material. 

 

LOL so its not greed and not all about money if Izzy is there? Because everything you just said still applies if Izzy is in the band: Most likely no new music, were still going to the beer line during CD songs, its not about mending, and its not about creativity. GTFOH. Youre responding with emotions. 

5 hours ago, bikka said:

And why is everybody talking about a world tour? We've heard about 4 dates only where he was supposed to appear. He could surely handle that... The fact that the other 3 couldn't bear to cut their wages for those 4 dates to accomodate him speaks volumes.

Btw there's an interview with Izzy where he says he doesn't understand why he's got such bad rap when it comes to touring

It does speak volumes. It speaks the perfect and most rational volume. It says Hey Axl Slash and Duff put together a world tour and everything that goes into the planning/merch/hotel/crew etc. You want to show up on a few dates, that would be awesome. No way in hell youre getting the same cut as me. Ive been busting ass 2:30 per night traveling city to city. More than welcome to show up then leave, but youre doing the bare minimum, so no you will not get the same cut.