Bozo

One of the funniest moments was the Dead Horse solo. It seems like Slash lost his track so bad, that he simply forgot the melody along the way, and started to look for a way out, even resorting for the Rocket Queen outro melody.

Sometimes improvising can be tricky. 

7 minutes ago, RussTCB said:

Do you have some setting on your browser that only shows you negative comments? If so, you might want to have that looked at. There's been a LOT of positive comments in this thread. 

Sorry buddy, i just couldn't resist the irony in the Dead Horse context. The revenge of the critics of the critics! 

HAHAHAHA

This topic should be remembered as the point of no return for those who have nothing but bitter things to say. It's dead JIM.

Movin' on ...

I do believe that every song in the altset was rehearsed, if they are going to be played someday is another story. There are no reason for "jokes", at least from Duff n Slash sides, they are serious about their stuff, and would not be willing to take part in some prank to the fans. 

I think it's only a matter of time and some of it will be played. It's up to Axl feeling confortably to perform, the band being satisfied with the soundin', and choosing the songs that will be dropped of setlist (after years of just keeping adding songs). 

On 09/10/2019 at 3:29 AM, KeyserSoze said:

 

That was the intro in São Paulo/2010 concert. It was veeeery cool, and maybe the only time they did it since UYI tour (?). Curious enough, they played that same stadium in 2016, one day after the annoucement of Leonard's death, and used the song as outro. 

8 minutes ago, Gibsonfender2323 said:

Wrong. Listen to Shadow, Jungle and Nightrain 

Dude, i'm talking about high notes. In this songs there are SOME higher notes, but if u listen carefully there are some kind of "Echo/Effects" that are layered to Axl voice that are helping to hide the cracks there appear in these short moments. This NEVER happened before.

But there's no way to cover the damage in his voice in songs there are FULL of high notes, like This I Love, Out Ta Get Me, My Michelle, Prostitute. Guess what, these are songs that they dropped out of setlist.

Being able to "scream" a high note it's not the same to "sing" a high note. You need the ability to control your voice, and Axl seems to have lost that, at least in this higher registers. In the low zone, like in The Seeker, he's capable of singing in tune just fine.  

1 hour ago, Gimpy Hewitt said:

To me, judging by the Europe leg and then the US run, he never had any voice cracks in Europe, then in the US towards the end his voice would start cracking on higher notes. It never did that prior. I could be wrong but I think the wear of singing those gnarly AC/DC songs ripped what he had left apart. Ever since a lot of times when he tries to rasp you’ll hear voice cracks.

I do believe that the AC/DC tour damaged his voice, especially the ability to reach higher notes. His voice never cracked so much in the past, he could reach high pitch screams in Better, This I Love, Out Ta Get Me, Paradise City, well, pretty much all the catalogue. But with songs like Back in Black, Thunderstruck, Shoot to Thrill, For Those About to Rock, i believe he went to far. You could hear his voice deteriorating as the tour went on.

By the end of the ACDC tour, things were never the same. He tried and tried, but it became impossible, every high note is on the verge of crack, so he had to resort on falsetto, or some mix/microphone shenenigan to cover his screams. 

People just have to accept that it's not a matter of effort, the guy is singing his ass off nowadays. Yes, he could sound better adjusting some songs, choosing a lower register. But some of the crazy high notes are just not there anymore. 

The tour they're doing right now are not delaying anything related to new recordings. Slash was touring n promoting his record, that was already in the plans. Duff did the same, and his tour ended less than a month prior to the GNR dates.

Now that they are together again, i believe that there are some discussions going on, and possible some time between these dates in North n South America to work on something. The Hardschool appearance in the setlist it's the indicative that at least this song was in some way approached by Slash n Duff, maybe studiowise.

2 hours ago, Voodoochild said:

Likely. But it's up to the band if they allow it. That shithead Drake didnt want his show to be broadcasted in Rock In Rio last week.

Kendrick Lamar in the last Lollapalooza BR also didn't allowed broadcast. 

2 minutes ago, ChildOfTheMoon said:

Exactly! What about the video/audio quality?!

I remember I was a teenager and used to watch these horrible VHSs, where you could only see Axl’s shadow moving.

Once my room’s door was open and my dad was walking around the house. Every time he would pass in front of my room he’d take a look, until finally he couldn’t help himself but stop and ask me what the hell I was doing watching that black screen with a wheezing sound for 2,5 hours. Was there anything to watch? I had to point where Axl was and tell him what was going, but he still couldn’t see it. 🤣

Spent almost a year to get a shitty VHS from the RIR 2001, that was broadcasted nationwide. Cut to 2019 and there's live streaming from the front row. 

All things considered, Axl did a good job. The song is more confortably for his voice, he just need to find a way to sing the verses. The amount of words in the studio version is impossible to reproduce live. It's breathing hell! 

Just now, GnR Chris said:

wtf happened

The guy can't sing in those high registers anymore, even standing still and making a huge effort. Still not as painful as Paul Stanley 

1 minute ago, GoForJMark said:

Should we put Don't Dream It's Over on the setlist?

It's on Fleetwood Mac setlist nowadays

7 minutes ago, RussTCB said:

I would hope you wouldn't expose yourself anywhere 

Sorry, I knew what you meant but I had to take the cheap joke

You say you're "familiar with the confrontation that happens here" but that's not the question I asked. What I asked was if you're familiar with the open competent TB has for the fans? They express it on a prwtty regular basis. 

We've reached out to the them over and over offering to help in anyway we can but it always ends up the same way: they retreat and display a "woe is me" attitude or a "what can we do" attitude instead of making any effort to build a bridge with the fan base. 

I can tell you from personal experience with the entire situation that the relationship between TB and the fans is the result of TB, not the fans. I can't speak for the entire fan base of course. I realize there are other forums with "batshit crazy" fans (as you put it) but this isn't one of those places. We try and have tried for a very long time to weed out all of the troublemakers. You would think TB would take advantage of that, yet they don't. They just sit back and whine instead. "Complaints, complaints, complaints", indeed. 

I can understand the frustration, and i believe this happens on both sides. The issue is that "Elvis has left the building" (ha). Nasty stuff was said (and some continue to do so), and these words and actions cannot be retrieved.

In the GNR camp everything is a little messy, we should just settle with it. Especially in the management case, when things get extremely personal. It's a family thing. It ain't some regular company doing all the stuff, where the people don't get envolved and simply do the work and go home. These are family people, that built their lives around Axl, who will get upset with criticism on a personal level.

We may disagree with this direction, but it will happen. It's a kind of reaction that many of us would experience if we were in their position. Imagine yourself being called a "hanger", and sayin that u should be "fired". I would say a big FU to everybody, hahahahaha.

2 hours ago, RussTCB said:

I'm guessing you're not familiar with the long history of open contempt that TB has treated the fan base with. 

I am familiar with all the confrontation that happened here, including with Axl himself. And i can say that this is a natural consequence of the amount of negativity that rises in every hardcore fanbase. There are some batcrazy ppl in these environments, that inevitably explode whatever bridges may have between artists and their fans.

If i was in the band camp i would never, ever, expose myself in places like here. And i believe this is for the better of parts. Everyone must know their places ... And that's how it goes.

2 minutes ago, Shacky Shack said:

The guy is Jeff Beck’s incarnation. 

He will be everywhere on the new record.

So many tasty licks and tones. Wish he was louder in the live mix.

57 minutes ago, youngswedishvinyl said:

I see your point but I wouldn't say he was just a hired gun. He was in the band for 7 years and had a much bigger role than say Gilby or any of the NuGN'R drummers. Him playing with Duff and Slash for another 5 years is also something to consider in this case, he has played with those guys for a total of 13 years, 7 of which was at the peak of GN'Rs career.

Yep, he did had a long term job in the band and some creative input. But in the end he was just an employee in the GNR camp (not sayin in the VR).

I believe that the main issue is that u don't talk shit to your boss. Especially if your boss is Axl. Most of the guys who had the job underlined that, besides all the drama, Axl is loyal and fair. Matt didn't help himself being ironic during this years. It's like Slash said once, "I can talk shit to Axl, but i don't accept people from the outside doing the same."

2 minutes ago, youngswedishvinyl said:

Has this been confirmed to still be the case though? I mean last we heard anything from Axl about Matt was a really long time ago right? Since then he has played with the entire AFD 5, all people (well apart from Duff) he has openly stated that he hated in the past.

The difference is that the AFD guys were partners during the thick and thin. They all shared a common background and build the band. Even with Steven, i think Axl put the bad stuff aside for a moment, out of consideration for everything the guy went through.

But Matt was just a hired gun. There's no reason for Axl to workout whatever bad blood that may happened between theirs.

Bob Erzin produced Music from the Elder by Kiss. I guess that must mean something ...

Fortus and Frank are in the band because they are pro's. Reliable, nice guys, and good musicians. When you're in the business, u don't want drama and ego trips (besides your own). And Slash n Duff knows very well how rare is to find characters like these, especially in a bandsize like GNR. I can tell u they must be really confortable with the band lineup.

1 minute ago, viruzzz said:

Nah, we can't. Buckethead composed Sorry and Shackler's, 2 great songs.

His solos on Rhiad are amazing (yeah, I prefer them over Bumblefoot), same on If the world and TWAT. Bucket's contributions to chinese democracy are great.

The issue is that the record was done when he entered the band. Yeah, love TWAT final solo, but the overall feeling is that his presence kinda confused Axl. All of a sudden, even with a great record and compositions ready to go, Axl felt the need to embrace the virtuoso/shredder stuff into the project, which IMO messed up with the balance of the band. That reflected on the final product, that sounds very incohesive, as opposed to this rough mixes. This mixes are spot on!

Can we all agree that this record NEVER needed Bucket nor Orchestral Arrangements?

Bennie and the Jets is beyond cool. Hope to see this with Axl on piano