northernsoul

1 hour ago, kanecrescente said:

Nobody dug her the first night, let alone the second night... except my sister 

I don't think that Carrie Underwood is really a big enough name in the UK for people to be getting excited about her.  People go to see Axl and Slash and to a lesser extent, Duff.  Not somebody most of them probably don't know singing the biggest songs 

3 hours ago, allwaystired said:

Crazy isn't it? Gives an indication into the rate tickets are selling too maybe that nothing flagged up as unusual! 

That MLB ticketing platform they use is like a throwback to the late 90s when tickets first started getting sold online, horrible website 

18 hours ago, slim26 said:

I went to the Foo Fighters show last month at MSG that was supposed to be no entry without vaccination.  It was a joke, they looked at your card prior to entering the building, but they just glance at it for a few seconds and don't ask to match the card up with your ID.  You could show them a photocopy of one and it'd be no problem, although that would be a dick move.  I had GA floor, maybe 1 out of 50 were wearing masks, mostly older people.  

The price for MetLife tickets on ticketmaster are dirt cheap and keep dropping.  Pretty much every section looks to have available seats including the PIT. 

I've been to 7 shows (first being in 91).  l feel embarrassed for the band that they only seem to have sold 50-60% of tickets for a NYC metro show with fans not having been to concerts in 18+ months.  Personally, I've been keeping my eye on PIT tickets as they can dropping on price, now around $350 including fees on StubHub, but hesitating to pull the trigger.  If it's the same exact show that I've already seen 3 times, and I imagine Axl will still be out of shape and worse voice, which I'm sure it is, my money could be spent better on other events.  They need to give fans some reason to see them..  bring back Izzy or Steven.. that would be enough to fill that stadium.

A band like U2 would sell that place out in minutes.

 

 

 

 

 

Sales for Metlife look pretty brutal.  So many tickets on there now for $29.  I think most people thought the stadiums were ambitious, some of the smaller ones look OK but the bigger stadiums look terrible sales wise. 

Interesting to see what Axl looks and sounds like.  

On 11/20/2020 at 9:11 AM, betterman said:

Lets say GNRs new album consists of 14 songs and they each get played like 5 million times on spotify. (AC/CD Shot in the dark pr. now has 13.7 million plays)

This will generate about 280 000 dollars for this one streaming application alone. You also generate income from streams from Tidal, Youtube etc and digital downloads on Itunes.

I think that in Axls head this is pure artistic integrity and he does not want a product out with the name GNR on it that is not holding up quality wise against AFD/UIY/CD.
We all hoped this would change with Duff and Slash in, but it seems like nothings changed.

 

I think it goes far beyond what they make off streaming though.

This is people reconnecting with the band, new fans and old fans giving it a whirl and wanting to buy tickets even if its mainly for the old stuff.

That is 13.7 million people listening to AC/DC who might then be very interested in a tour.  

The AC/DC album is actually alright, of course nothing groundbreaking but reasonably enjoyable and it's got them back in my headspace if they do announce a tour, which will probably have no more than 4 songs off the album but make them a shit load of money.

GnR just need to get over themselves, I mean on the not on this ever ending tour they could have found the odd 3 or 4 day spells here and there and a few months in the studio this past year to do knock something out of reasonable quality and given them a much bigger platform to launch the last set of dates off.  

Reality is when they open this tour, it'll be Loony Tunes into It's So Easy with possibly some different graphics, perhaps.

Ingoring Covid seems incredibly optimistic given some of the numbers last time and the amount of price reductions with reunion hype to get to those

Be amazed if they draw 25k to Adelaide for example 

1 hour ago, jackparker123 said:

Just had my email from Ticketmaster Germany regarding the cancelled Hamburg gig offering me a voucher 

It states that a cash refund option is only freely available AFTER 31/12/2021, but it does say "An earlier refund is only possible if accepting a voucher would be unreasonable taking into account your personal circumstances".

Anyone know what I need to tell them to get my refund?? It's outrageous how they are able to hold onto my money for another 16/17 months.

That's a joke

If the German government want to prop up multi billion dollar multi nationals then give them a loan, don't expect the fans to effectively loan them the cash to survive!

11 minutes ago, Gavin82 said:

https://www.ticketmaster.co.uk/event/3500578EB3A16E00

Tixs for London 2 I'm glad too see all still same price 

VAT reduced from 20% to 5% for all concert sales up until some date in January (based on the sale date not event date) so they're actually making a bigger margin on any new sales though as it hasn't been passed on 

11 minutes ago, MaskingApathy said:

I agree, I'm not convinced that large scale concerts will be happening next year either.

It's not like they can wait until the last minute either.   At some point in advance, they will have to commit to the expenditure like paying for the private 757/ crew contracts etc 

The old Soundwave Promoter, AJ Maddah, said he couldn't see shows happening next year because insurance will be a major issue whilst Covid is around.  

25 minutes ago, PatrickS77 said:

Yes. Just for these german shows I have tied up 500 €. 100 € for Aerosmith in Portugal. 160 € for GNR in Dublin. 105 € for System of Down in Milano (which I will use the voucher to order the ticket again as a pdf, instead of my original will call order, which they previously refused to change. Just imagine the gall, I bought that ticket when it went on sale, with TM only offering paper tickets, for which they charged 30 € for delivery or box office collection for free, which I've chosen. Some time later they suddenly offered pdf tickets. I asked them to exchange my ticket delivery option and they flat out refused. And then you're asked to feel sympathy for such a shit show company).

Yeah. When GNR postponed their Zurich concert in '06, at the last minute, when we actally arrived in Zurich and the promoter said that tickets would be valid for the new date and no refunds would be granted, unless I have a undersigned confirmation from my parents that I can't attend school that day, I got so mad that I faked an excuse, returned the ticket, drove to Zurich and bought a ticket privately from someone trying to get rid of it, just to not give the original ticketseller my money. Felt so good.
 

Is this for the UK?

Thankfully the UK Government have not abused their citizens and forced these unethical laws on us (yet)

You will get full refund off TM minus the "transaction fee" which is about £3

Other agencies just give you the face value back. (seetickets/gigantic)

Just now, allwaystired said:

Difficult to tell at present. It certainly appears vouchers are the only option.....but we'll see what personal contact with them brings. I'm pissed off I even need to do that to be honest - why am I struggling to get my own money back for something that isn't happening? It should be automatic really. 

Anyway, we'll see what my email brings. 

Did you pay on credit card?  You should try that route, although some countries have passed laws recently allowing Promoters to pull this shit.  Big business > the little fella trying to pay his rent 

1 hour ago, Natty said:

I think "not good enough" is the right guess... 

gosh what this band has become... how can they look in the mirror...there s nothing left from the afd spirit... not the same band anymore

I don't think not good enough is anything to do with it as they toured all sorts of places in the States on leg #6757 of NITL.  Promoters will be cautious right now though with their booking I am sure.

I think they have canned the poor sellers, that is clear.

Less countries visited and only visiting ones that will (hopefully) have travel bridges in place will reduce quarantine/covid issues that may arise.

Perhaps one or two smaller shows added to the pad the schedule closer to the time.  I doubt they want to try and go on sale in the current climate, in Europe, the early sales are key.  If it starts slow it ends slow, the US seems to have a lot of late buyers in comparison.

2 or 3 more shows in arena's in the right cities would still make them money if they wanted to pad the schedule.  A Scandinavian date around Sweden will surely be added

4 hours ago, Gavin82 said:

BBC news was reporting on shows etc then some Arenas are closed until late 2021 now they are all sounding like they cant see any shows any time soon

This is just Sheffield arena I think, which hardly has any shows booked since they opened one down the road in Leeds and has long been mooted for closure as it's a waste of taxpayers money (owned by the council)

They have been putting shows on sale for spring next year still in the UK so there must be some hope...

People would be pissed off if they just started drip feeding dates and assuming their city was off.  So they need to do it together, there may be some cities they don't get back to.  Or have to do a venue change.

It's a shit situation but it's hardly the bands fault.  It's down to the booking agent and Promoter to sort it.

It was interesting though, the guy from The Killers said their booking agent got straight onto this in March and pushed to get them first hold on all the same venues on their preferred dates straight away so they didn't lose out.

They're not the only ones who haven't announced.  Billie Eilish has a massive tour on hold, Elton John has dates to be announced and there will be others.

I have seen a few angry moaning at TM that their city was cancelled from the re-scheduled dates for other acts.  I guess sales/availability related.

LN have also given everybody a 20% haircut on their guarantees according to Billboard I think it was.  So probably having to negotiate stuff like that as well.

I can't excuse them refusing to refund people though until the dates are announced

47 minutes ago, allwaystired said:

Ah, I see. So when you said "they hadn't been involved for 7 years" you meant they WERE involved. Got you. 

Good news for you though if you got a refund on all those fees that Ticketmaster have a stated policy of not refunding.  

Perhaps nip along to this forum here (or indeed one of the many other places online)  dedicated to all the people who booked tickets to Hyde Park shows through Ticketmaster and didn't get their fees back and let them know? I'm sure they'd be interested to hear how you got yours sorted. 

https://www.efestivals.co.uk/forums/topic/233698-ticketmaster-refunds/

 

They aren't involved in Hyde Park.  It is run by the fiercest rivals after they lost a heated bidding war for the rights for the concerts there. They sell a portion of the tickets.  The same way they do for pretty much every event in the UK.  Are Live Nation involved in Manchester United or does one of their thousands of companies just handle their ticket software?  They don't run Hyde Park and it is a stretch to say they are "involved"

The thread you've dragged up on efestivals is an old one, they did initially say you couldn't have a refund for RESCHEDULED gigs, not cancelled ones but if you pushed you got one.  They relented shortly afterwards and the final post on there indeed says they got their refund off Ticketmaster but not off Eventim.  Did you even read it?  There is not one mention of Hyde Park on that thread so I've really no idea what you're on about.  Hyde Park refunds are full or you can transfer for Pearl Jam and Duran Duran I think it is who have re-scheduled for next year.  Everything else is a full refund and you could request that weeks ago.

Bookings I've received a refund on from Ticketmaster:

MLB London - full refund including every fee

Liam Gallagher Heaton Park.  Less £1 "transaction fee".  My friends lost £8 a ticket on Seetickets though.

Queen - Rescheduled and I requested a full refund and got one.

Parklife - Missus booked for this and got a full refund.  That took a while though.

They are doing full refunds.  You can cry all you want that they're not but show me something conclusive that isn't just made up in your mind based on your anti LN/TM narrative that shows they aren't.  Ticketmaster refunds have been FULL refunds for a long time now, 5 years + but they do keep postage which is called a "transaction fee" but I'm not going to bitch about losing a couple of quid, the ticket price and booking fee comes back.  Prove to me it doesn't.

Also, what is your source for the "£7000,000 "(sic) profit per night off Hyde Park?  You talk about other people not providing sources but you do exactly the same.

17 minutes ago, allwaystired said:

Well most of this is simply not true, so I'm not sure why you even posted it. 

Ticketmaster and Live Nation are the same thing, and they do keep booking fees, as listed in their terms and conditions. 

If an event for which you have purchased Tickets or Packages is cancelled in full (and not rescheduled), your order will be cancelled, and you will be refunded the Sale Price of your Tickets or Packages (Service Charges and Order Processing Fees may be non-refundable)

And they are certainly do handle the shows in Hyde Park- here's the link for the ticket sales, so it's simply an outright nonsense that they "haven't been involved for 7 years". 

https://www.ticketmaster.co.uk/american-express-presents-bst-hyde-park-tickets/artist/1842565

https://www.livenation.co.uk/venue/3974/hyde-park-tickets

I really can't be bothered to check your previous 'facts' about them 'burning' $150 million a month and having 12 months to survive, nor your bizarre assertion that Eventim are a 'cowboy' operation unlike Ticketmaster and Live Nation. 

 

They don't keep booking fees on UK events.  That is a fact.  And your quote there says "may be non-refundable".  They do keep postage or a "transaction charge of a few ££ in the UK.  

Hyde Park is not promoted by LN anymore.  Ticketmaster are an appointed agent to sell tickets.  Guess what, they are doing full refunds! I know because I booked to go to a show there.

And I would say Eventim, Seetickets and Gigantic refusing to refund booking fees DOES make them cowboy outfits compared to TM and AXS who do refund service charges

To say TM and LN are keeping booking fees is just 100% wrong and you don't have a clue, sorry

There is the link to the article outlying LN cash position https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/michael-rapino-talks-cost-cutting-fan-less-concerts-and-pressing-pause-on-live-nations-big-mexico-deal/

Live Nation US ticket policy.  Full refund or 150% credit  https://www.livenationentertainment.com/ticketrefund/

17 minutes ago, allwaystired said:

No, it's not really. I have no idea of the business workings of Live Nation.

I shouldn't imagine they're struggling for cash though - let's not forget that they keep all the cash from booking fees, whether a show happens or not. For the Hyde Park shows in London that were cancelled it was conservatively estimated this was £7000,000 per night they made. For gigs that didn't happen.  

Not really my issue though - it's the authoritative tone of 'I know and you're all stupid' with zero knowledge to back it up that infuriates me, and it always comes from the same person/persons who just vanish when they're proved wrong. 

Given they are listed on the stock market their cash position is in the public domain.  They are burning $150M a month which appears to give them around 12 months on current cash reserves.  They need to be able to sell tickets as normal and with confidence basically before Christmas.  They do not keep money from booking fees! Some smaller agents may do this but not TM or AXS.  Money is going back in full less postage or a small transaction charge.  They have a big refund page laying out all the options on their website.  Keep your ticket, get a credit of 150% if you want to cancel but not get a cash refund or get a full cash refund.  They are hurting.

As for the Hyde Park shows, I have no idea what you're talking about.  LN haven't been involved in Hyde Park for 7 years.  In the UK both AXS and TM give full refunds with no questions asked, you might lose a couple of ££ on a transaction fee but the ticket price and bulk of the charges are repaid in full by those companies.  Other cowboy outfits like Eventim keep the booking fees, yes. 

11 minutes ago, Draguns said:

I have tickets as well for the NJ show. I'm definitely not taking a refund if it's postponed. If it's cancelled that's a different story. I wouldn't be surprise that it will be tough to get concert tickets next year for this area regarding big name artists. I kinda wish Bon Jovi didn't cancel either. My friend's wife had a tough time getting tickets for the show. 

Being that the NJ/NYC area got hit very hard and people are going nuts staying at home, don't be surprised that tickets will be very tough to get depending on what happens next year with this virus. 

There was certainly a lot of pent up demand in China for entertainment as Disney sold out for its reopening.

That said, the tickets are expensive enough and the economy will take a serious hit. There will also be a lot of competition, you've got all the re-scheduled tours then there will be plenty who were planning to tour 2021 anyway.  I read the other day that LN and AEG are actually pushing hard to reduce the fees and splits already agreed for all these shows being re-scheduled for next year, which might suggest they expect less demand and a tougher climate, not a better one.

7 hours ago, Sausagebrain said:

It's just been announced that, from this week, all people arriving into the UK will need to be quarantined for 14 days. 

 

So, if you still were holding out any hope that the UK dates would go ahead this month, I think that hope has just been extinguished. 

I don't think anybody thinks it's happening or has done since about March.  That said, the lack of information is truly astounding.  They appear to be the last act before about July playing the UK who haven't cancelled/postponed with or without new dates

The still selling tickets is probably down to logistics.  IE massively reduced workforce and a lifetimes worth of affected events being announced in a few weeks.  The official announcement is probably a coordinated one for the whole tour

On 26/03/2020 at 8:04 PM, AxlIsGod. said:

London or the tour? London could make sense if they can't figure out the venue for 2021. I don't think I believe the whole tour will be cancelled though...

Don't know anything about the rest of the tour, London is off though. I've no idea why Tm are selling tickets still.  They have now paid out (which is not the same as refunded, done by a third party) the ticket exchange sellers which only happens when it's cancelled or the event has taken place.  

Source : Someone at Tm

A little birdie has told me the plug was pulled today.  It is fully cancelled, not rescheduled.

1 minute ago, Stryker said:

I appreciate the heads up. I’m outside the US and that’s bullshit. We'll see what happens but I have no problem disputing that charge if they won’t refund.

I actually think they'll find it very hard to re-schedule the UK dates at Spurs.  Nobody knows what will happen with the football season or when the next one will start and end.  If they move the venue, for sure they can't get out of that.

TM are far from the only ones doing this.  Stubhub won't even give you a refund if an event is cancelled now.  Voucher only.  They are on the ropes it appears as they won't pay sellers for events that actually happened either.

And Airlines are also doing what they can not to pay out and forcing vouchers onto people.  I guess the authorities aren't really looking right now and there will be some leniency even if they ever do.  Covid 19 innit, fuck em all! 

4 minutes ago, Stryker said:

I appreciate the heads up. I’m outside the US and that’s bullshit. We'll see what happens but I have no problem disputing that charge if they won’t refund.

It's point 11.3 on ticketmaster UK purchase policy.  Screen grab it before it's changed.  You will win your charge back then for sure

Just so you know, Ticketmaster UK appear to have reneged on their own terms and stopped refunding rescheduled events

So if you end up with a new date in 2021, don't be surprised if they tell you that you can re-sell the tickets on their ticket exchange but can't have a refund.

You also can't sell tickets on their exchange if you live outside the UK

On 24/01/2020 at 4:39 AM, northernsoul said:

I'm going to guess they're getting announced for Glasgow Green very soon 

Well I suppose even a broken clock is right twice a day 

2 minutes ago, WildStar said:

That's 2 weeks after Dublin so I can't see that. They'll be getting ready or on the USA leg by the sounds

They've moved the gigs from Bellahouston to Glasgow Green due to flooding. I'm going to guess that's the reason for the delay in announcing - uncertainty over the venue. Green Day play 24th June so think that ties in nicely.  They've said they've moved 3 scheduled gigs from Bellahouston but only Green Day was announced so there's two more to come.