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It's so disgusting to some fans Axl can do no wrong, yeah  you think  the guy is perfect, wrong nobody is

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21 hours ago, Andy14 said:

 

he's attractive there also, for his age

I think he so attractive i  n the bottom pictures for his age

But, the one above side by to side , Axl is a baby next to the recent one and the older version he looks terrible and aged in this one only,        his facial tone puffiness, haiir

Where is everyone, so damn quiet today

2 hours ago, Blackstar said:

 

What I disagree with (I'm referring mostly to @chers' posts) is that it would just a matter of choice for Axl to have a different life just because he has money.

 

You misunderstood my point, my point is Axls behavior and actions and responsibility, money has 0 to do with this part.

my point is everyone babies Axl, I love him btw, but I'm talking about his problems mental, emotional, destructive, abusive, some is how he is born/wired, but at his age and as people get older ,and from experience, most people learn the deal w/their issues according to their personality and capabilities.  In his case famous quote  "crazy is doing  the same thing and expecting different outcomes", This is mostly his fault, others think it's his TB fault, I cringe at them , but he has been this way before TB, I feel sorry for him or anyone else, with his childhood and any mental issues,

however, money wise, I mean if I wanted to get help, it would be way harder with me being a plain everyday person, I would have to find the money, , being stuck in traffic, the time etc.  and other support, whereas Axl is famous, people know and recognize  him, he.has tons of  the cash, drivers, assistants  he can probably see a therapists or get meds in a second, . I would have to prove myself and work 10 times harder to get the help he or other famous people have

From my experience, it's easier for people like him to grab help , he even get police escorts, does he need these

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  @alfieroseHaving said that, it doesn't hurt to be gentle in replies to newer members who are not as familiar with this thread.

Thanks for this

Thanks to the people who pmd me during this argument and your support, won't mention any names

Not like this, I'm loyal

Anyways I agree w/my point, boy have I learned what it's like to disagree here

Just now, Frey said:

Yes. Because that's kind of the point of having a discussion.

But there is a difference between having a nice heated (but civil) discussion and... well.

 

 

 

 

Do you know Axl and the guys personally , what do you mean civil; you've had arguments less civil here

yes, i've seen people arguing all the time here, but you all are agreeing w/each other today, since I'm the new poster I get the abuse, haha, but Ive seen everyone of you argue w/one another previosly

Thank you so much

Just now, Frey said:

Lol no, that's where you're already wrong imo. The unfortunate reality is that in real life, many people never turn into responsible "grown ass adults" for whatever reasons (life experiences, mental health issues, genetic/birth defects,...). That's why we have people who have care-takers, people living in assisted living facilities, people in institutions, people in prison, people with legal guardians, people who commit suicide, crazy homeless people...

I've long thought that Axl would be in one of the above groups (likely prison, suicide or an institution if @killuridols is to be believed) if he hadn't gotten ridiculously lucky or if certain events in his life had turned out just a tiny bit differently than they did. And let's be real, Axl does have care takers, it's just that they're referred to as his "personal assistants" because he's rich and famous. But if you listen to what certain people have to say, it's clear that everyone around Axl thought of his personal assistans as Axl's babysitters/care takers.

 

You don't need actual physical chains to have influence over someone or even to control someone. Other types of "chains" are much more effective. And it's got nothing to do with sticking up for Axl (though I do that on occasions when I feel it's deserved), it's about being realistic. Ultimately, Axl is not a "normal" person (and I'm obviously not talking about him being a rockstar, a millionaire or whatever), and it's pointless to hold him to the same standard as... Duff for example.

 

 

ok dude, whatever, there's people here who love to attack and keep people quiet, unless it's their exact fuckin opinions as them , I get it  I was stating my point which is how I see it, I love this band, but I tell it as I see, you hacve different opinions, so do whatever, who gives a damn

BTW why does everoney have to attack for my opinions

Just now, killuridols said:

How do millions in the bank heal your mental disease?

I never heard of that

Actually, lol, he doesn't have it easier than the regular person because he has no family of his own. He has a rented family that takes care of him but we've only seen them in action now that he's a cow producing a lot of milk. We haven't seen them in action when the cow is dry so, unlike a regular Joe who may have a nice wife and nice children, he's on the edge betting on his own luck of how this people will turn out to be when he needs them even for, literally, everything.

I don't understand how could he be responsable for his own aging..... is that something we are guilty for? *I just learned this*

About his aging no, but his actions

12 minutes ago, Frey said:

Maybe they can put Axl, Slash, Duff and Izzy into the same care center. Then they can all be grumpy together and bicker with each other all day long

And yeah, that's me. How did you find out?

 

You said people who "wanted to be around Axl as his friend". Do you live with your friends, see them every day and will spend your retirement living with them? I don't. Thus, the above mentioned qualify as people who wanted to be around him as friends. And I don't think it matters all that much how often they see each other. I only get to see some of my closest friends pretty rarely due to life circumstances getting in the way, but that doesn't mean we're not tight.

 

Way too simplistic. Doesn't really matter how rich or famous or whatever he is. There are countless examples of rich people who on a surface level "have it all" and yet still struggle with life and fail miserably in various areas. Axl is only one of many. The human mind is a complex thing and if you add mental illness and emotional issues to that, all bets are off.

And as @killuridols correctly pointed out, they're completely enmeshed in every area of his life. No such thing as simply "kicking them out". Axl would need a lot of help and support to get rid of them, but he probably is too scared to get rid of them anyway, so it's a moot point in reality.

 

 

 

 

If a regular, everyday, person has mental issues or whatever, do you agree it's harder for them to acquire the same tools, poor millionaire Axl could. This what I mean My point is he has it easier than your regular person , and it's no about keeping or dumping Team fucking Brazil its about responsibility for his own actions, you talk like they have him chained up in his house ffs  Why does everyone stick up for him like he's greater than anything on this world

1 minute ago, killuridols said:

Yes. It is VEEEEEEEERY simple to kick out a whole family out of your life, a group of people who've been handling your money, your band, your business for decades... just like that... and find a replacement in minutes.

lol too much lol

The point is he's a grown ass adult, yet people keep blaming everyone around him at his problems, he can do whatever fucking decision he wants, he can keep the people around, but he's responsible at some point for his own problems, everyone is

Axl is hardly innocent, .  He's a grown ass guy and a big time millionaire, w/tons of of adoring fans.  Whatever problems he has/or had in his past, his millions could get him tools meds, therapy , or having a safe place , his house, to get away and be secure from craze people,  acquire him help  are way   easier, than your averag  poor working joe without any extra cash or tools to help him/ her mental issues or whatever.  Everybody acts like TB is completely controlling him, he's fucking 55 a adult, he can kick them to curb if he wants and do his own decisions,  There comes a point certain age, where everybody is responsible for their own decisions, problems, etc.  g TB is creepy, however., I think Axl likes them since they're the only ones who wouldput w/his erratic behavior all this time, everybode else would esxape

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