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1 minute ago, Live Like a Suicide said:

I was joking, but seriously, i don't have this information. Sorry.

All good. Appreciate the faux-paranoia.

WhazUp doesn't accept PMs, so hopefully he see's my other post.

Just now, WhazUp said:

One has Josh, the ChineseStew one has Brain

Which one leaked first? Got any further details on where the Chinese Stew one popped up? is it part of the Numbers leak?

There's a second copy of Chinese Democracy (the song) I came across when finding other recently discussed bits and pieces.

One was listed as "Chinese Stew" from the album "Classic Case" at 3:29, and the other was listed as ""Chinese Democracy" (Old Beaven with Josh)", as track 7 from ""Chinese Democracy" Sessions #2" at 3:12 in length.

Are these both different edits of the 1999 version with Josh on drums?

12 minutes ago, NOVEMBER COMA said:

Is the Don't Cry version the same as on the Don't Cry single? 

As far as I can remember, yes - I'm sure Zombux will correct me if I'm wrong!

I don't see another Australian tour on the cards for NITL. Australia is a) notoriously expensive to tour - especially if you hit Perth (as they did last time) - because of the isolation factor and b) a lot of shows just aren't selling over here at the moment. Some certainly are, but 30,000+ at stadiums when they toured just a couple of years ago is a big sell, especially with their ticket prices.

Hope I'm wrong, but don't think I am!

 

Just bought my new sub - Dali Zensor E-12F, replacing an old holdover from a Sony speaker kit.

Cannot wait to move back home after renovations and have a listen to this now.

8 hours ago, B17NNS said:

I'd have bought the blu if I could. I still will if it's ever released as a stand alone.

If they were shot on 16mm then it's a shame they didn't take the opportunity to rescan them.

Given they were designed for MTV, they were probably finished to tape (at least for the most part).

I saw them in the most isolated capital city in the world (Perth, Australia!) in a terrible (now-closed) stadium, spending too much on tickets and ending up in the front section.

This was February 2017, about 9-10 months after the Troubadour, Coachella, and the Vegas shows (which I'd listened to bootlegs of like crazy).

I got Coma. I got Double Talkin' Jive. I got Estranged (a song I never loved when I got into Gunners aged 7 when UYI came out). I got Don't Cry. I got Duff singing Attitude and I got Axl performing Layla (Piano Exit) before November Rain - a song I've loved since first seeing Goodfellas. I got Yesterdays. I got Chinese Democracy and a killer new intro to Better. Given what was played in the prior months, I got the setlist I fuckin' wanted. I even bumped into Gio who I met when he was working for Billy Corgan/Smashing Pumpkins and I last saw holding two guys to the ground in an interlocked pin.

A year later? I saw Steven at a tiny club, hung out during soundcheck, was greeted with a beaming smile and a big hug, and got my original artwork AFD signed - a record I've had since I was 10, on holiday with family in the UK and couldn't find a copy of Live Like A Suicide.

I've bought a Super Deluxe Edition of AFD, with a tonne of great sessions in amazing quality from their time at Sound City, a new version of SOYL, a 5.1 remix of the album that I'm desperate to hear when I move back into my house, a high resolution remaster of the album, and a great sounding copy of their Mystic Studio session sitting on my hard drive.

What I'd like? A new album (hell, even an EP), a live Blu-ray or audio CD will all the tracks played throughout the run (including the VR and CD stuff).

But if I don't get that? I've got some great quality bootlegs (even if there's some less than stellar performances vocally on some tracks) and I've seen a band I've loved since I was seven. I'm 34 now.

I'm happy as shit. Even if things haven't been perfect, they've been goddamn good enough for me.

I'm currently living with the in-laws while our house is being renovated.

I've got the blu, but alas, my 5.1 Dali setup is currently disconnected.

Looking forward to getting back to it and giving this a spin!

On 7/3/2018 at 3:26 AM, zombux said:

or, in the light of the recent Download Festival tabloid affair - "The Toilet Incident?"

Appetite for (Bowl) Destruction

So, confirmed that it's Mystic Studios from top to bottom? Excellent!

1 minute ago, zombux said:

don't take HTGTH info as a 100% reliable source, it's full of mistakes. and yes, there's that "N' More", which leaves a tiny bit of uncertainty there... indeed I can't find a 100% proof now, I'll look into it.

Oh, I wasn't. I just figure it's an anomaly. If you find anything out further to clarify, I'm all ears!

Interesting. I heard it was labelled "1985 Mystic (can't remember exactly) N' More", with the Troccoli tape only having the first four tracks, I assumed it came from elsewhere, since that tape only had the four songs listed on the HTGTH recording sessions page...

On the VEVO unboxing video (the rendered animation one - not the Jeff Fura 6 minute video) there was more replica flyers showcased, which I think only ended up in the Locked N' Loaded edition.

Am I correct on that one?

I'm assuming it was accidentally used in the renders for the SDE and never intended for it.

So, there was a hidden cassette in the Locked N' Loaded ($1k) edition, containing the following:

1. Welcome to the Jungle
2. Anything Goes
3. Don't Cry
4. Back Off Bitch (labelled "Back Off")
5. Think About You

Apparently tracks 1-4 are from the 1985 Mystic Studios session, but Think About You is supposedly a demo and, given the Sound City session of the track is already on the Super Deluxe/Locked N' Loaded, does anyone know specifically which session this one came from?

1 hour ago, zombux said:

yes, just not confirmed in any way by Brain or Melissa or anyone else, that Sorry was made back in the day together with the other five. it's just us assuming Sorry was the sixth remix, based on 7 years later live performance.

Correct. Nothing confirmed re: track 6, but the evidence (and listening to the other tracks that are both performed live at the half-time shows as well as leaked) is rather compelling.

For all we know, even if it is the missing track (and sounds like the live Sorry remix), it might not have been completed, or not distributed from the same source that had the other five tracks, etc. It might not be something that could be leaked as things currently are, even if it is the sixth track.

I'd also note that we're looking at the following tracks (in no particular order)

Better (Better Gone) - leaked
Shackler's Revenge - leaked
This I Love - leaked
Prostitute (Blood In The Water) - leaked
If The World - leaked
Sorry - not leaked, but performed by Brain and Melissa during the Clippers and Rockets 2017 half-time shows, along with If The World, and Better (Clippers only) and a KISS cover/remix.

This lines up with the six remixes mentioned previously.
 

As others noted, it could have been for a re-release of CD, or bonus tracks for a release of CD2. Possibly bonus tracks with a live CD or a re-issue of CD to time with a major tour? Bonus tour discs were definitely a thing for a time.

2 hours ago, Lim666 said:

Aall 192 UYI shows were recorded. The quality is to be expected superb on ALL of them. Why? There are live clips from several UYI shows on the official videos from "Live and Let Die" and "Dead Horse"....check them out, great quality there already! So it doesnt matter much if being shot on film or not, we "could" still get FM92 4:3 Blu-Ray quality from about all of them!

I doubt all 1992 UYI shows were shot on film. Most likely video, with film reserved for particular uses (specific songs, specific production, etc). Why? Film costs a boatload and video was cheap.

Unfortunately, given the only official home video release of a concert was Japan (shot on tape), with another PPV special (also, shot on tape), there's probably not a huge amount of film content easily available at this stage - at least in terms of full shows.

Hell, even Nirvana only had (as I recall) a single show shot on film. Why? Video was cheap and MTV was king.

3 hours ago, zombux said:

the weird thing is that at least this low quality version looks like a VHS rip. what's the point of recording the show digitally and then make analog transfer? 

We'd often run screeners, test copies, rough cuts, off to VHS via a MiniDV or DVC Pro deck as the analogue/digital converter. Cheap, and much quicker. You have to encode for a DVD and even do basic authoring while a VHS would churn out in real time, so much quicker.

Not everything was timecoded either when we ran off VHS copies.

It looks like it was shoot on DV (as another poster already commented).

At this time (early 2000s) I was shooting on DV cameras and you could indeed get ones (3 CCD usually) that would shoot in 16:9 by stretching that image across the sensor. In post, you would set it as 16:9 and it would be widescreen formatting.

I have zero doubt that GnR would not have 16:9 NTSC as the baseline for this project. Hell, even NIN were using DV cameras for And All That Could Have Been (multicamera shoot by crew members during the 2000 Fragility 2.0 tour - incidentally, with Robin Finck).

That ended up being shot on consumer (mini) DV camcorders, mixed in 5.1 (available in Dolby Digital and DTS - separate editions) all using Final Cut Pro (I assume other software for the audio mix) and authored on Apple's DVD Studio Pro.

The titles at the start of the HOB video look pretty rough, even for the timeframe of production, so I would bet it was a workprint or WIP (a rough export to assess) rather than anything final. Although its hard to accurately judge based on the current compression in the versions that are out there (even accounting for YouTube), it's entirely possible it's not colour corrected, etc - all things you would do once you lock down the edit.

In short, the workflow looks to have been DV > Edit > Export of whatever quality (definitely sub-par and not in what you would term a master copy) > YouTube (for most people).

Hope this is of some help.

I'd sure like to here these, and the late 2017 Madagascar leak...