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Songs not bad at all, liked it the 2nd time much more than the 1st quickly grew on me. I like Perhaps a little bit better.

I dont have a problem with GNR releasing "non-gnr'ish" material, everybody wants the next Paradise city but Ill take decent GNR music anytime as well.

I have mixed feelings about Axl screaming these days, although I accept, appreciate and love him for being on stage and making it happen even when he goes Mickey on us. What I can say is I thought he did his best screaming his ass off on Reckless Life last night, but damn I never seen his head and face so close to explosion lol.

He really worked hard last night and unlike 2017 Hershey Park, he was running all over the place and hopping around non-stop, he is sure more fit that 6 years ago and its good to see him a little closer to his older form as a stage beast. He also appears much leaner, he actually wore a vest that exposed his belly a bit but I dont think he was ready for that one yet

33 minutes ago, RnRHOFGNR said:

This is a rock show buddy people smoking pot should be expected obviously I think it would have no place in a Taylor Swift gig for example.  But being surprised or disappointed at people smoking pot? That's surprising to me and maybe the children shouldn't be at a GNR rock show.  To thousands of people in the world GNR IS rock and roll.

Yeah I was surprised as Ive been to a ton of sporting events at similar facilities and nobody smokes in the stands....last night was my 3rd concert, Metallica at Metlife Stadium last week was my 2nd which also had people smoking. My first was GNR in 2017 Hershey Park and nobody smoked that I saw in their little football stadium, so yeah yeah Im was surprised. I was more expecting that if it was some park or something.

All is well obviously my Metallica experience didnt stop me from going again and I do what I can to protect myself without being a dickhead, I still want people to have fun.

Before Im called a "casual fan" keep in mind Ive been a GNR fan since 1987 watching Headbangers Ball as a kid and nobody in my High School during  91-95 grunge/alternative yearswas a open GNR fan like I was, I was the only guy playing GNR on guitar in the music room and I didnt give a crap what people thought of me, I stuck with my #1!!!! Hershey Park concert was a dream come true for me!

I like the original version of Silkworms much much better, but other than that if the original has Slash in it Id find it even much better.

23 minutes ago, jamillos said:

1. Are you kidding? Is that what you’d want – some fake crap? 
2. Axl doesn’t need it – listen to Rock the Rock. 
3. And in general, this forum is full of drama queens. One show sucks – and the band is over, Axl can’t sing any more etc. Yeah, it’s been downhill since 2017 (well, 2016), but I’ve heard "Axl is done" a few times before. He pulled the AC/DC stuff (which is, ironically, what I think has worn his neck down the most), and after sufficient recuperation, he still can achieve a lot, as long as he gets off his NITL couch and starts doing something. I like joking about some aspects on the one hand, but come on, we don’t know shit after all. 

Im not kidding at all. I wouldnt consider it fake if it was produced through his actually singing. Im not talking about pure computerized music. Maybe it wouldnt need to be done with every song or every line, but if he can sing and get help to get his illusions voice back or earlier we can make something incredible here.

I dont think Ive been much of a Drama queen here either...Ive seen them live a couple years back and had the time of my life, and hope to see them this summer again.

39 minutes ago, Pedrolg said:

Sad that the time has come for Axl. His voice is done. That last piece of greatness that were the raspy high screams have finally died too. All that is left is his lower register. He should record some some stuff in it, tune the GNR down if possible and sing out his days with class and dignity. The mickey stuff is just not cool.

Doesnt have to be that way to record an album, technology should be advanced enough to change and alter his voice in studio and make him sound like old Axl or close to it so we get an incredible album.....assuming they can write good songs of course.

Im honestly completely sick and tired of KOHD, its just not fun to listen to any more for me. I can take just about any other track but that one and I used to love it.

26 minutes ago, MaskingApathy said:

Frank got several good shots. Would've been nice to see more of Melissa 

She is my 3rd current active GNR member behind Slash and Duff, she should get some solo performances on tour so the crowd can hear actual good signing for a short time Actually, why not replace Axl with her? I really think she can do a great job...compared to whats going on now.

8 minutes ago, alfierose said:

I know this has been done to death on here but I don't think he's that out of shape. I'm considerably younger than him and I couldn't put on that show - I'd be laid on the floor gasping for breath after 20 minutes. Vocal issues aside it's 2-3 hours of aerobic-ish exercise. Maybe there are specific exercises someone can focus on as a man in their late fifties in order to lose the belly but his general fitness can't be that bad otherwise he'd literally collapse. I think his short stature combined with an odd upper body posture (which he's always had) unfortunately makes him look worse that he is. He should probably do Pilates.

And that's my fill of cringe worthy discussion regarding a complete stranger's body for 2020. 

 

You can be overweight and in terrific shape at the same time. I work out all the time and actually look fit (I mostly weightlift,) but I cant do what Axl does night after night, its crazy!

I do wish he looked fit on stage though, helps give him a more charisma than a distraction. Although he wasnt known as a "fitness model" when I was young kid back in the early 90's illusion era, watching him motivated me to work out hard and lose weight.

Ill take his old voice over the way he looks any day though.

1 hour ago, War2k14 said:

Izzy's  Writing and Rhythm, Slash's Lead, Adler's unique Drumming, Duff's Bassline's, Axl's Voice and being so Hungry they had no choice but to put their all into making the best fucking music they could.  The way Izzy and Slash complemented Each other on Rhythm was also very special. The best Track on UYI is the one Adler played on... Civil War.

Once they got money it alll started to fall apart slowly. The music they wrote for UYI while writing for Appetite was the best.  They lost the pieces one by one.  When Izzy was no longer there to write, there was nowhere to go, except the Chinese Democracy Route.  The fact that Axl had the new band re-record Appetite shows you how important that formula is to GNR.   Hell, even the best VR stuff was the stuff that Izzy contributed.

 

We Need Down By The Ocean Axl... Make it Happen!

I think the only reason the Appetite was re-recorded was so he can sell the songs and not give the ex's royalty fees. GN'R material was high demand and unfortunately almost impossible to use at the time for movies and stuff.

Zutat Locker leaks

Lol not serious

1 hour ago, soon said:

If you mean that UYI would be better if it were mixed to sound more raw and with Izzy in the mix, then I agree 100%.

But I mean, the Lies acoustic sessions were recorded and mixed rather quickly. When I listen to it that doesnt surprise me. Performance wise, his singing is incredible.

Oddly, now that Im comparing the two mixes I almost think theres some similarities in the sonics of UYI and OIAM - like lots of reverb on the two acoustic guitars, lots of high end frequencies on the acoustic guitars, which is both similar to Slashs lead sound on UYI. Theres lots of breathy Axl vocal ad libs in OIAMs outro, like on UYIs. Most of all, is OIAM the first time we hear piano on an officially released Guns track??

If only they did that acoustic November Rain demo and completed it with the Lies quality recording and mix that would have been absolutely incredible.

I heard one of them, maybe Slash or Duff that just about every song starts acoustically, and they said if it sounded good acoustically then it would sound good full production.

4 hours ago, soon said:

I appreciate you offering this piece of history, but it doesnt really add up to me. In the 80s AIDS was largely associated with homosexuality (socially for sure, and as far as I understand medically as well?). Its not surprising that the event organizers wouldnt want to include someone who wrote and sang "F@ggo7s make no sense to me.... or spread some fucking disease." The event organizers embracing there own freedom of expression and freedom of association is not at all the same as banning the song from existence. 

Its "freedom of speech" not "freedom from consequence" right?

What I remember when I was a kid in the 80s was that alot of people blamed homosexuals for AIDS and its primarily them. Even if statistically it shows gays as the majority, its certainly not a homosexual disease.

The AIDS event was still a private event so they can do whatever they want all I care. The way I look at it, there were consequences that GNR was hit that day, but the event also had to endure the consequences of banning them due to their perception of the song and this is just a guess but Id bet it hurt AIDS research fiscally, at least a little.

Other than that, its comical because Im not sure Slash even knew what a condom was at that time, lol.

1 hour ago, soon said:

These statements often strike me as being largely hypothetical. I for one literally said its great if people enjoy it. I havent seen anyone call for it to be banned from existence?

Back in the day they were kicked out of the AIDS benefit concert because of protests of that song.

36 minutes ago, Towelie said:

I'll be honest, I hardly ever listen to Lies. I'll occasionally spin Move To The City, but that's about it. Lies was a hit because of Appetite. If Lies had been their debut it would've flopped hard and we may never have gotten Appetite. It was a record company cash-in, to give the fans something to chew on and the label some return on their investment, whilst everyone was waiting for the real follow up to AFD.

Musically, it has some cool moments, and I'm glad we have it, but it's not even close to the best work on AFD, UYI or even CD. 

Hell, I play Spaghetti more than I play Lies.

Id certainly take AFD and UYI over Lies any day as much as I love Lies. TSI is hard for me to listen to, but I do love that first 50s song and Down on the Farm.

9 minutes ago, soon said:

OIAM sounds like a demo to my ears.

 

Patience being a smash hit was a surprise to them even. But of course they would want something of quality on that side of the EP.

Well I mean thats fair. To me it sounds like a musical masterpiece but I shouldnt judge how others feel about that

8 minutes ago, soon said:

I just meant to make reference to all those songs were written during AFD era - NR, YCBM, DC etc. They held them over for UYI, not the Lies EP, because they were the A-list. As someone mentioned earlier, the acoustic NR would be perfect on a Lies style EP, or Lies itself. But Axl saw more depth and musical potential to NR and wanted to bring that to life. That ambition was beyond the scope of the quickly assembled EP.

As much as I love UYI albums, OIAM easily would make the top 5 chart on both UYI without even thinking about it.

So your saying Patience wasnt A-List? LOL The entire Lies Side B was absolutely A-list and that album as a whole is one of the greatest Rock albums in history.

Lies wast released because of some B-list songs they had, Lies was put out to give the fans something incredible prior to the UYI albums which took a long time (funny we all thought "long" at the time! LOL) to put out after AFD.

59 minutes ago, double talkin jive mfkr said:

exactly side B isn't side B without A and over the years i've appreciated side A a lot more 

this was one of the first albums i bought therefore the sentimental value is there and i would look at the artwork leaflet all the time trying to figure out the mystifying nature of the band, what personalities 

That Lies album art is most the most memorable and favorite album art for me in all of music history.

3 minutes ago, RussTCB said:

Just finished One In A Million. I don't hate the first side, but dammit, all the songs on side 2 are so much better. 

I actually didnt like side A when I was a kid back in 88 listening to it that much, but side B just made me crave so much more. I appreciate and enjoy side A much more these days, but Lies always was and still is mostly about side B for me.

I would have rather seen Lies V2 (how about "More Lies?") with November Rain Acoustic being the anchor and having another side A cover songs and side B all acoustic originals rather than Novermber Rain on UYI which I did love. If only I were the manager, what could have been lol

5 hours ago, fantomas said:

This is a song that is funny when you're an early teenager because says the N-word and the F-word. Then, when you get out of your teens, you realize that they are in fact the words of a racist and a homophobe and the implications are hateful. As I said earlier, the band has all but disowned the song. Hell, they only ever played it live twice.  The last time was almost 32 years ago. Musically, it's a great song. Lyrically it belongs in the past.  

It depends on how you look at it. Years ago it was a more open society, and at least we could have a intelligent conversation over these things without being condemned by the entire country. Not sure if you heard his side of it, but here it is.

My vote goes for "Lies is an Album" and its the 2nd best Album of all time after AFD.

I just wish they made more like that.

This is a better comparison to younger and older smash. Both are absolutely awesome, there should be nothing to complain about at all.

On 11/8/2019 at 11:41 AM, El Guapo said:

Wow, that Wicked Stone noodling is just bad. It's not very musical at all, just wanking for it's own sake. Whats the point? I really hope we get old school Slash lead guitar work on any new GnR material, not this shit. 

Why would you compare two completely different songs with a different band to measure his passion/skill level?....DTJive is naturally a far superior and emotional song.

If your going to compare UYI era to now era you would get both DTJive's and compare with those two, or two of the same other song. Personally, hearing the latest DTJivess, Slash is absolutely incredible and has grown as a musician talently and has never been better and thats not in any way shape or form saying he wasnt absolutely incredible back then. I think his work with Richard has made him better as well. His emotions are up there on top as before and his skill level has grown to another level.