Rock the Cock

13 hours ago, action said:

this "leaving neverland" documentary, which I haven't seen, is a fine example of sensationalism and witch hunting (even though, the witch has long passed away).

So... you haven't seen this film, but you're still able to say it's a "fine example of sensationalism"? How the fuck can you say that?

I'm a bit of an MJ fan. But I've always felt he was more than sus' about him - although I've never rushed to judgement, given I don't and can't know the facts.

But critiquing a film, which you admit you haven't seen, is very Tipper Gore/Mary Whitehouse. Even if it had 99% proof of his child abuse, would you still believe his denials and call this film (and all the allegations) "sensationalism"?

I'm almost sure I remember reading this, although it could be my youthful imagination - but wasn't there a story about Steven Tyler bumming Steven Adler on a tour bus? If I remember correctly, it was something Adler mentioned quite casually

I kind of agree with Coma. Surprised no one hads mentioned Oh my god, though - perhaps I'm just thinking that because it's quite dense, musically speaking, but it's pretty much the only sign we have of Axl's thinking (i.e., atmosphere) at that point in time, but i certainly feel a very different feeling from that than to any other GNR song

6 minutes ago, Tom2112 said:

Nah Axl would come off well just like the TMS interview or Kimmel, he's a pretty likable guy in interviews.

Until Rogan starts bringing up conspiracy theories and some sort of weird shit Axl would never be asked about on a mainstream interview.

Also, pretty off topic, but the guest on this video is blatantly a closeted homosexual :|

From what's been said about the new series, it sounds like it's all based on Richard Madeley's spell on Good Morning Britain LOL

On 13/01/2019 at 4:00 PM, Gibson_Guy87 said:

I fucking love that show! My sister was in the music department when we were going to the same college and I used to come over, get hammered with the music students, and watch Drag Race. Good times 

Drunk Drag Race is great. But it's even better with acid. I binge-watched, can't remember exactly, probably about six seasons while tripping once. Fucking hell that was amazing. Alaska absolutely scared the shit out of me then though

1 hour ago, appetite4illusions said:

That's Joe Rogan, he's huge in the States, in the same way Russel Brand is a popular voice in the UK. Rogan has an army of followers and I listen to him on the regular. He's actually very influential in the respect that podcasts today are hot commodities and Joe was one of the very first to build a brand on the podcast format. He can always be counted on for a great perspective.

He'll be the first to tell you, he isn't a journalist, therefore, he doesn't "interview" people, he "talks to them." It's more of a relaxed, anything goes type of dialogue where Rogan and the other person discuss everything under the sun, not just the guest's agenda or history. Here he is talking to this guy and Axl gets brought up, for example, nothing is off the table for discussion.

In that respect, something like this would be the absolute best forum for Axl Rose because he wouldn't be pressured at all to talk about things he wants to avoid. Him and Joe could easily go three hours talking about Trump and cultural issues. Last year, when James Hetfield was on the show, him and Rogan spent two hours talking about the colonization of honeybees - for real...

Joe Rogan and Russell Brand is a good comparison. They both represent the idiot's thinking man - except Brand is hilarious. 

I listen to Rogan's podcasts when he has someone interesting, but he really is such a pretentious, uninformed dickhead sometimes. I watched his special on Netflix the other day and  he's without doubt one of the worst comedians I've ever seen.

Having said that, Axl on a Joe Rogan podcast would be fucking amazing, but also most likely an absolute car crash of craziness.

8 minutes ago, Sydney Fan said:

Well judging how much money the nitl tour made in 2 years would say quite abit.  Tommy would be on the same hierachy as dizzy and frank irrespective of his previous career in the replacements.

You're totally right - and well done to them for their success! But, at the same time, when Garth Whatever was selling billions of his CDs in the 90s, did anyone really care for what he was doing? No, they didn't. Just like GNR fans don't care about Tommy Stinson. So it's all completely irrelevant arguing over who is less irrelevant to 2019 or not, isn't it?

25 minutes ago, KeyserSoze said:

If I go to a party or sports bar, if its a rock setting, I gauren damn tee I'll hear at least WTTJ, SCOM, or Paradise City before the nights over. Nobody in that place is going to be slow dancing to "Swingin Party." You are talking about INFLUENCE as if the average joe knew who the fuck The Replacements even are. I knew one kid, ONE KID in high school who knew who the replacements were. Everyone else could tell you who GNR is. 

I don't think I've ever heard a GNR song in a bar, unless it's karaoke or a vintage bar. It's nonsense to think that hearing their songs in this setting means anything.

I've hears "Simply having a wonderful Christmas time" at least twenty times as much. It doesn't mean anything.

Either way, I love GNR and couldn't care less how often their songs are played in bars.

19 minutes ago, Sydney Fan said:

How come the replacements arnt a household name?.

Do you really think many people know who GNR is nowadays? More people can hum the SCOM riff than could name any of the band members.

2 minutes ago, KeyserSoze said:

If I go to a party or sports bar, if its a rock setting, I gauren damn tee I'll hear at least WTTJ, SCOM, or Paradise City before the nights over. Nobody in that place is going to be slow dancing to "Swingin Party." You are talking about INFLUENCE as if the average joe knew who the fuck The Replacements even are. I knew one kid, ONE KID in high school who knew who the replacements were. Everyone else could tell you who GNR is. 

Yes, I was talking about influence, because some people brought it up, calling Tommy Stinson "a nobody".  If I go to a party, how many people will know Rocket 88? Or Tutti Frutti?  Or Summetime Bues? Fucking nobody, right? Influence and legacy matters, when you aren't living in 1987 and are judging musicians' work.

I wasn't talking about popularity, was I? If that were the case and that's what mattered, we'd all be on Taylor Swift's forums, wouldn't we? As I implied, popularity is not important. GNR is an 80s band with an 80s nostalgic fanbase. God bless 'em and good luck.

There's nothing wrong with that. It's the natural course of an 80s band--after all, they're doing far much better than all the others, aren't they? I love them nonetheless and I'm sure you do too.

All I said that was let's not act like fools and say Tommy Stinson is a "nobody." 21st rock music has moved far beyond GNR and, in fact, it's a hell of a lot closer to the Replacements' style of music. So don't pretend like GNR somehow is in any way either more relevant or important than them. Whether you like it or not, rock music nowadays is not about good guitar riffs and hairspray.

I wasn't around back then, but out of curiosity how much did you all pay for the two records? 

13 minutes ago, KeyserSoze said:

Not at all, when it's a coherent argument. I have no clue what you are trying to say right now other than disagreeing with other peoples point of view. 

Look up the Replacement's reviews by professional music critics. Then look up GNR's. The Replacements have several acclaimed and influential albums. GNR only has the one.

Personally, I like GNR more. But if you want to look at at it objectively, the Replacements win. Every single time.

It doesn't really matter. If you like GNR more, fine - so do I!  But don't pretend that they matter more, when they objectively don't: this is one of the beauties of music - if I like Sigue Sigue Sputnik more than the Rolling Stones, you can't tell me I'm wrong. But one is better and one is worse and anybody can give you a coherent reason why.

Regardless, I like GNR more than any of those bands. But coherency doesn't come into it.

Edit: this was not meant as a critique of GNR, in any way at all. But when people act like Tommy Stinson is  a "nobody"--Tommy Stinson of the fucking Replacements--it needs to be corrected. 

4 minutes ago, KeyserSoze said:

alright im going to have to call it on this discussion. Theres more backtracking in this argument than a Russian investigation 

There's nothing wrong with adults accepting one another's point of view, is there?

5 minutes ago, KeyserSoze said:

Thats not what you argued originally. 

Originally you tried to argue "Slash has done nothing noteworthy outside of GNR."

Slither won a Grammy, so.

 

Slither is a fantastic song, in my opinion.  I like Contraband and Libertad a lot. So I'll retract what I said. But is anything he has made really great?

P.S. I don't think Chinese Democracy is that great, either. Still love it, though. There's nothing wrong with an album with flaws.

2 minutes ago, WhazUp said:

I love The Replacements, and they were influential in their style and scene sure, however GNR was and is on another level in terms of influence and importance for sure

In all honesty, I'm not interested in being drawn into the the "more or less" argument.

But, as a fellow Prince fam (based on your pic), perhaps you will agree that there is a better and worse influence? Who was a 'better' influence': the more talented Mr Nelson or the less talented but more popular Mr Jackson? I'm no arbiter of taste or fact, but of course there is a certain objectivity in music. Just for arguments' sake: I don't want to pretend to judge on music in any way at all.

12 minutes ago, KeyserSoze said:

this is troll post of the year already

Tommy was the bassist in the Replacements - they were a legendary and very influential band, close to the level of GNR. I am not your typical anti-Axl, anti-Slash, whatever... I love GNR, not interested in sides. But Tommy Stinson and the Replacements are on the same level of influence and importance as GNR. That's a fact - whether you like it or not!

11 minutes ago, RageKage said:

Slash is a fucking legend. Tommy is a nobody. Slash never had to bully anyone. Tommy, who is a wet fart in gnr history, did.

Slash is a legend. So is Tommy. Do your homework and turn your speakers to 11 in the process, son.

Are there any Chelsea fans here? Or any extremely anti-Chelsea fans? I'm happy with either - but if not I cba at all with talking to Guns N' Roses fans about football. Equally happy with either though

6 minutes ago, RageKage said:

Read my post again

I did and I still don't understand your point. 

Outside of GNR, Tommy is a well-respected, arguably legendary musician. Whereas Slash - as much as I love him - has done nothing noteworthy outside of GNR. But you think Slash is a 'cool drunk' and Tommy isn't?

Can anyone really blame him? He's a musician and musicians are really into making and realeasing music.

I can't wait for this!

1 hour ago, Rock the Cock said:

For me, that's partly what makes me love them so much. Chinese Democracy aside, they were a band who completely ignored any attempt at self-consciousness - and I think that's a key part of what makes so many people love them so much.

I'm sorry to be the dickhead who quotes himself, but does anyone actually disagree with this? In my opinion, one of the things that makes GNR so great is that they really don't give a fuck what anyone else thinks, including their fans.

23 minutes ago, ToonGuns said:

Buckethead is a legend. He is incredibly skilful on guitar, musically fantastic, an artist as well, and seemingly a family person with a huge heart and love for his family. Can't believe people go on about him being a knob etc just because of who he is and how he's chosen to live his life. If he was bullied then shame on whoever bullied him. If he is on the autistic spectrum he deserves massive respect for overcoming the challenges that that might represent and elevating himself to a fabulous career - a role model. And if he isn't on the autistic spectrum then he still deserves massive respect for creating a truly unique persona in music.

True respect.

100% agree.

Yes, his style of music is not for everyone - for most people, in fact. But he was the best musician GNR has ever had, In a technical and creative sense, and if Axl were more like him we'd have at least half a dozen, probably more, fascinating GNR albums to be talking about right now.

I couldn't care less how weird or fucked up he may be. The man is a genius.

I'm expecting 0 responses, so can't even be bothered to write a good first post.

But any fans?!

That's the final track on her last album. I think it's beyond beautiful, very Poly, and I'm not ashamed to say it's brought more than a few tears to my eyes over the years.