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I rate Chinese 8/10, it is a solid rock album. More solid than most new albums of today.

If Axl became distant...wouldn't you want to distant yourself from heroin, crack, & coke users? I know I would. It is amazing that none of them ended up dead.

I notice the reunion talk has simmered down over the last couple of weeks certainly on here. I do believe there was nothing ever set in concrete regarding a reunion tour, it is literally all talk at this point & its mostly newspaper talk. If Axl & Slash are friends again or talking again..great!

Pigeons Of Death Metal is not Queens Of The Stoneage.

Full props to Ron.

I don't like his music at all, but he is very good to his fans and tried to do as much as he could during his time in GNR...can't ask for more than that really.

His Little Wing/Don't Cry from KROQ 06 was/is a highlight of the whole Nu GNR saga in my opinion.

Besides #Demented, I can't really bring myself to dislike any of the guys in Axl's GNR, they're just working for the man like the rest of us.

I agree with you about little wing/ don't cry. Besides the actual release of CD, it probably is the highlight. It was my favorite live performance type thing that NUgnr ever did.

From the live point of view I always liked the 2002 version of KOHD.

Its weird...15 years ago Mel Gibson was being voted most beautiful man & now people think he look's old, you know its not like he's 60 years old or nothin. But Gibson didn't get plastic surgery to make him appear younger & when he acts he must like using his facial muscles which lots of your plastic hollywood types can't.

Today's society is focused on appearance...

I agree SoulMonster with the numbers. People who say it was a financial failure can't see the 14,000,000 Best Buy deal & what it has sold up to present. Which is possibly 20 Million. If that's a failure then I don't know what success to measure it too.

I've told you the number of how many were by shipment and sales. Laziness is your excuse as to why you're arguing about something you have no chance at winning? Now I'm starting to really question the validity of your earlier claims.

I'll make it simple for you:

1: 2.6 million were not sold by 2009. Fact

2: There is no evidence of additional certifications on top of those reported markets. Fact

3: With all of the additional potential crap you piled up, you still do not arrive at even half of the early '09 report as confirmed sold.

1. According to Universal Music, 2.6 millions were indeed SOLD by February 2009. Anyway, I am curious about what source you have that negates the data from Universal Music and how not having sold 2.6 millions by 2009 will tell us much about actual sales by 2015.

2. Are you saying there is no evidence for CD selling enough to lift it into new certifications beyond those it has reached in 2009? Heh. That's a really weird argument to make. It is entirely possible that new certifications have happened, just that such numbers don't usually get disclosed years after a record's release unless someone does the hard work of contacing each country's certification agency (or whatever it is called), and asking for updated statuses.

3. What?

Sounds good to me. How can six years of sales from 2009-2015 not be considered, its laughable.

We know for a fact that the record has sold after 2009.

Here's an example: In January 2009 500k units had been shipped in the US (meaning that the sales numbers must have been lower than 500k). In April 2011 the reported sales number for US was 615k units meaning that AT LEAST 115k units were sold between January 2009 and April 2011.

I lifted this. Almost three million in 2011, is it totally inconceivable that it is approaching 5M from 2011-2015 i.e now.

http://www.gunsnfnroses.com/index.php?/topic/10153-chinese-democracy-sales-definative/

I've told you the number of how many were by shipment and sales. Laziness is your excuse as to why you're arguing about something you have no chance at winning? Now I'm starting to really question the validity of your earlier claims.

I'll make it simple for you:

1: 2.6 million were not sold by 2009. Fact

2: There is no evidence of additional certifications on top of those reported markets. Fact

3: With all of the additional potential crap you piled up, you still do not arrive at even half of the early '09 report as confirmed sold.

1. According to Universal Music, 2.6 millions were indeed SOLD by February 2009. Anyway, I am curious about what source you have that negates the data from Universal Music and how not having sold 2.6 millions by 2009 will tell us much about actual sales by 2015.

2. Are you saying there is no evidence for CD selling enough to lift it into new certifications beyond those it has reached in 2009? Heh. That's a really weird argument to make. It is entirely possible that new certifications have happened, just that such numbers don't usually get disclosed years after a record's release unless someone does the hard work of contacing each country's certification agency (or whatever it is called), and asking for updated statuses.

3. What?

Sounds good to me. How can six years of sales from 2009-2015 not be considered, its laughable.

What's matter anyway?

So...3.5-4Million still not bad for a group of hired hands. Best Buy spent $14,000,000 on 1.6 million units of CD, consider that and what it has sold and with studio time paid for its not a bad chunk of change, it will eventually outsell TSI.

Yep, not bad for a group of hired hands using the massively popular brand name Guns n' Roses. Not bad. But no, it didn't sell 3,5-4 million.

It's not far off as estimations go.

If we extrapolate form the actual sales figures in the UK in 2014, we end up with 5.7 mill sold in North America and Europe .

Don't tell the guys that you'll never live it down.

So...3.5-4Million still not bad for a group of hired hands. Best Buy spent $14,000,000 on 1.6 million units of CD, consider that and what it has sold and with studio time paid for its not a bad chunk of change, it will eventually outsell TSI.

Yep, not bad for a group of hired hands using the massively popular brand name Guns n' Roses. Not bad. But no, it didn't sell 3,5-4 million.

It's not far off as estimations go. Those people would know who's in the band or not.

So...3.5-4Million still not bad for a group of hired hands. Best Buy spent $14,000,000 on 1.6 million units of CD, consider that and what it has sold and with studio time paid for its not a bad chunk of change, it will eventually outsell TSI.

Now these numbers are up to date?

Rusty. You got a source?

Your crusade is to make shit up and then label the people that disagree as haters. That's pathetically childish.

Why stop at millions of albums? Why not billions? That's even more positive isn't it? Shit, let's go for trillions!

I don't label people who constantly drag a discussion into a knuckle dragging session, including you chief.

Subtle but proved my point quite nicely. Thanks.

No worries captain. I don't lose sleep over how much cd sold or how many times its been played on Spotify or listen to Whitesnake in my undies or how dare buckethead wear a bucket on his head on stage with gnr, (his name...take a hint) or maynard, apollo & rusty pretending to be mygnr's A-Team.

Wait... tell me that one again about how you aren't labeling people that disagree with your lies.

No.

We lose sleep over it? You seem to be the one taking it so personal as your responses show.

I don't lose sleep over it.

Spotify? That was another poster trying to do the very thing you're doing here and that is to hopefully convince people that CD is a huge success.

I don't deny it wasn't a success unlike you and a few others.

Listens to whitesnake in their undies? Is that a mix of being condescending and with homoerotic fantasies of the people you disagree with?

You calling me about labelling people, why you labelling homosexual folk?

What is wrong with Buckethead? He is talented and deserved every second of spotlight in GNR. I find it funny that you took one sentence to build this strawman and respond to it. Very simplistic.

Nothing wrong with Buckethead. His sound on GNR, made it sound up to date & not 80's rock.

WTF is mygnr A-Team? There are simply lies and truth and you're doing nothing but making shit up and then rambling about men's underwear. Trust me, it wouldn't take an A-Team to take down your silly argument.

I love it when a plan comes together...

Your crusade is to make shit up and then label the people that disagree as haters. That's pathetically childish.

Why stop at millions of albums? Why not billions? That's even more positive isn't it? Shit, let's go for trillions!

I don't label people who constantly drag a discussion into a knuckle dragging session, including you chief.

Subtle but proved my point quite nicely. Thanks.

No worries captain. I don't lose sleep over how much cd sold or how many times its been played on Spotify or listen to Whitesnake in my undies or how dare buckethead wear a bucket on his head on stage with gnr, (his name...take a hint) or maynard, apollo & rusty pretending to be mygnr's A-Team. Its not a crime to look out my eyes without rose tinted glasses. But I am so pleased you guys think a surprise release would be beneficial It gives me faith in you.

Your crusade is to make shit up and then label the people that disagree as haters. That's pathetically childish.

Why stop at millions of albums? Why not billions? That's even more positive isn't it? Shit, let's go for trillions!

I don't label people who constantly drag a discussion into a knuckle dragging session, including you chief.

/sigh

I'm just going to leave at my original point.

The demand for CD was not as high as the shipped numbers suggest. Low demand for that album does not look well for it's follow up especially when the band releasing it has had a decreasing audience and the album has MUCH less intrigue. Releasing the follow up album in a "surprise release" is a bad business decision.

Awhile back it was statistically proved that the album was in the 3 million ballpark. Wk originally was claiming 7 million.

But somebody worked the numbers. Basing it on how many units you needed to sell to break the billboard top 200 chart. And to break into billboard charts in other countries.

Some band sold like 8000 copies and made the top 200. So if CD hasn't entered the top 200 since 2009, then you know it is selling less than 8000 per week.

Then you can just do the math.

Whether you love the last band or not, love CD or hate it. The numbers don't lie.

If CD was selling 500,000 copies a year then it would have charted. At least once. Somewhere.

It's just unrealistic to think that 4-5 million people bought CD after it's initial six months of release. Casual fans were just downloading it. They weren't going to best but and paying twenty bucks.

To be honest I'm not sure why WK always lies about the sales numbers. Especially when he keeps complaining about people being negative. Apparently In his world it is better to lie than it is to not kiss ass 24/7

It re-entered during 2011 I think after the powers that be cut the price. I don't lie I make estimations based on not lots of info based on current sales.

Oh you do lie, you lie to youself, daily.

Honesty Is No Excuse.

/sigh

I'm just going to leave at my original point.

The demand for CD was not as high as the shipped numbers suggest. Low demand for that album does not look well for it's follow up especially when the band releasing it has had a decreasing audience and the album has MUCH less intrigue. Releasing the follow up album in a "surprise release" is a bad business decision.

Awhile back it was statistically proved that the album was in the 3 million ballpark. Wk originally was claiming 7 million.

But somebody worked the numbers. Basing it on how many units you needed to sell to break the billboard top 200 chart. And to break into billboard charts in other countries.

Some band sold like 8000 copies and made the top 200. So if CD hasn't entered the top 200 since 2009, then you know it is selling less than 8000 per week.

Then you can just do the math.

Whether you love the last band or not, love CD or hate it. The numbers don't lie.

If CD was selling 500,000 copies a year then it would have charted. At least once. Somewhere.

It's just unrealistic to think that 4-5 million people bought CD after it's initial six months of release. Casual fans were just downloading it. They weren't going to best but and paying twenty bucks.

To be honest I'm not sure why WK always lies about the sales numbers. Especially when he keeps complaining about people being negative. Apparently In his world it is better to lie than it is to not kiss ass 24/7

It re-entered during 2011 I think after the powers that be cut the price. I don't lie I make estimations based on not lots of info based on current sales.

No offense. But your estimate is ludicrous.

I say that with the caveat that CD is one of my favorite albums of all time.

Fair enough like I said who knows an exact figure. I won't make a personal crusade into denying a group of hired hands sold millions of copies of an album.

/sigh

I'm just going to leave at my original point.

The demand for CD was not as high as the shipped numbers suggest. Low demand for that album does not look well for it's follow up especially when the band releasing it has had a decreasing audience and the album has MUCH less intrigue. Releasing the follow up album in a "surprise release" is a bad business decision.

Awhile back it was statistically proved that the album was in the 3 million ballpark. Wk originally was claiming 7 million.

But somebody worked the numbers. Basing it on how many units you needed to sell to break the billboard top 200 chart. And to break into billboard charts in other countries.

Some band sold like 8000 copies and made the top 200. So if CD hasn't entered the top 200 since 2009, then you know it is selling less than 8000 per week.

Then you can just do the math.

Whether you love the last band or not, love CD or hate it. The numbers don't lie.

If CD was selling 500,000 copies a year then it would have charted. At least once. Somewhere.

It's just unrealistic to think that 4-5 million people bought CD after it's initial six months of release. Casual fans were just downloading it. They weren't going to best but and paying twenty bucks.

To be honest I'm not sure why WK always lies about the sales numbers. Especially when he keeps complaining about people being negative. Apparently In his world it is better to lie than it is to not kiss ass 24/7

It re-entered during 2011 I think after the powers that be cut the price. I don't lie I make estimations based on not lots of info based on current sales.

Let's hope it's not silent & deadly...

Hahaha, delusion at its finest. The world is not expecting an album from Rose. His latest album was an absolute turd, no reason to release a sequel -- unless he wanted to embarrass himself even more.

Positivity as always I love it!

I'm not being positive. I'm being realistic. I guess you don't know what "positivism" means? Ignorance is nothing to be proud of.

OK then take your reunion positivism and show me what you got.

Hahaha, delusion at its finest. The world is not expecting an album from Rose. His latest album was an absolute turd, no reason to release a sequel -- unless he wanted to embarrass himself even more.

Positivity as always I love it!

1 million global for a 13 million dollar heavily anticipated record from GNR is nothing special. Especially when we don't even know if those were just shipped numbers or actual sales.

You do not know that 2.6 were sold. All any of us know is that more than half of that were SHIPPED not sold.

When we know that a large portion didn't sell after the release(Best Buy flop) it's wishful thinking to expect a million more to be sold.

At one point the album was selling for chump change on Amazon. That doesn't speak well for it when you understand supply and demand.

It's at least 4-5 million at this point even more no matter if everybody buy a physical copy it's been shipped and paid for. It all counts. People who known the back story of Gnr known it's hired hands and Axl, still to sell that much it's good business especially when it made its money back from production costs.

CD1 sold 2.6 million worlwide: http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/269462/the-billboard-qa-axl-roseSurprise release or not, CD2 would sell less than 1 million worlwide.

That's six years old that article it has sold more than that.

Jesus christ has nothing to do with it. A band with a guy wearing a KFC bucket on his head can't be taken seriously, especially if the band is called "Guns N'Roses". That's how it is. It's called reality.

So what! Everybody knew Buckethead was in the band and they still sold out places like Madison Square Garden, the hired hands selling out iconic arenas!

Buckethead is a very talented guitarist if you open your eyes & ears and listen without prejudice. Axl and co didn't do too bad... in the Nu Gnr era, yeah before captain obvious says one album in 20 years! They still sold a shit ton of records and kept an interest in Guns N' Roses throughout the world. When a spine of a band leaves Duff, Slash & Izzy...how the hell is it supposed to release new records every few years? I'm glad for Nu Gnr it's taken us to this point, if Axl would have dissolved the band after Slash left, would we even be posting on here? It would have eclipsed the wait for CD and the last 20 years as a fan of Guns it would have been a very quiet time to be a fan. I'm thankful for Nu-Gnr, if a reunion happens then great but if it's all based on pure speculation because two people had a conversation then I'm not sure it will happen until at least 2020.

dude you have to go back to the picture of Axl smiling in the back of the police car...iconic pic

Ha. I'm sticking with Phil for now.