vernset

http://www.mygnrforum.com/index.php?/topic/212522-rumor-axl-to-retire-after-gnr-reunion/?hl=retirement

This what really bothers me. This is my only concern. That this is only a goodbye to Axl. And this is why nobody is speaking, casue no wants to unleash the hard truth... that Axl is retiring.

I'm not against that. It's possible Slash does a guest spot.

But normally Slash played Ron's stuff too. So if Ron is there Slash is just in the Dj role. Ron will be doing Estranged etc or just CD matetial?

It's just a new scenario. I kind of see how Slash and Fortus might work.

Rons Estranged was plain horrible IMHO. Estranged needs the Slash "crying" les Paul tone and Ron didnt get it (maybe he did not want to) right. He used a more hi freq Eq tone, almost loke a "tiny can sound" kind of disto. Did not fit right.

If you watch official vegas blu Ray, there are a lot of moments where one of the three guitars is doing like he is playing but he is not (LOL at Ashba in Shacklers) or wehere you can listen that maybe he is playing but his guitar is not even in the mix.

But Estranged is obviously a Classic one, so Ron woulf be in the bench for that one.

But I dont see Slash playing Scraped nor see Ron playing Estranged while Slash is in the house. And i dont either see Axl burying 15 years of his artistic career and not playing CD songs anymore.

So for me this is the only option left right now unless the rumours of a farewell tour are real and Axl is definetly retiring after a couple of legs...

So Slash would just be in the Dj Ashba role?

Just their to play Jungle and SCOM?

Duff has been in that role. And Izzy. Dont see why Slash cannot be in that role also. An by the way, it was Dj who was in Slash role in first place

That's a new one.

Maybe Finck and Ron will tour and Slash will do some guest spots.

CD II is alive! It's alive!

Finck is not necessary, Just Ron and Fortus for the CD and CDII songs and Slash and Duff for some classics.

GN’R Are ​​"Days Away" From my ass. Thats where GN'R are.

Not gonna happen, guys. Loose your illusion.

Simply Axl will tour next year with New GNR and in some Dates, Izzy, Duff and Slash will come up to the stage to play some of the classics. Just like it has been in the past but with the addition of Slash for some dates.

Maybe he is tired of denying the same bullshit over and over again. How many times have we been in the same "oh my god a reunion is in the works" situation in the last 10 years?

Maybe he just doesnt gives a shit anymore...

Just guessing, obviously, nobody except Axl really knows whats on his brain...

Slash has been talking about Axl since he left. Axl or Axl's camp cannot go out and speak everytime Slash says something...

So in this case, not saying anything can be considered as Axl not giving a fuck about what Slash says or a simply way implying he is not gonna waste time talking about Slash. But I am obviously guessing here, as I have no idea at all. None of us do.

This is how I see it:

Axl fought SO MUCH with himself, with former members, with exwifes, witl lawyers, with labels, with promoters... that in the end he got TIRED.

Axl is tired of GNR but he cannot quit acting and doing concerts because it is what he is making a living from.

There is no label interest in a new record... so the only way of incomes for GNR are giving the same concert again and again.

Sure he could do some improvements, some changes to the setlist... but think about it? WHAT FOR? He knows he is going to sell more or less the same number of tickets, so...

The thing is that there is no interest (globally, I myself of course have interest as a lot of you here) for a new guns record... and GNR cannot launch a record and be a failure, so he will keep touring, as the world has demostrated that what they want from them is a nostalgia act.

Because for a potential launch we have TWO scenarios nowadays for all the bands in the world:

1. You do massive investment in publicity and marketing BECAUSE YOU KNOW that the product is going to be a great success. (Shakira, U2, Muse, Coldplay...) Problem: THE GNR LABEL KNOWS THAT GNR NEW ALBUM WONT BE A HUGE SUCCESS... aaaaand we have to remember that Axl in the Chinese Democracy launch decided not to promote the album because of marketing discrepancies with the label, so you have to add THE RISK factor to the equation. An equation resulting in nobody wanting to launch a GNR album.

2. You dont do a massive investment but a minor one, but you know you are going to recover your money and will obtain some extra profit via royalties when the band tours. PROBLEM: THERE IS NO WAY AXL will give permission to a "minor release" because he is smart and he knows that will permanently damage the GNR brand risking the actual status that, lets not forget it, it is what is feeding him and the whole bunch of guys.

AND we have to asume that the label (its a bussiness not "a Personal Artistic development company") wants Axl TO FUCKING FAIL. Beacause by failing, he only have one option and that would be the most profitable one for the label: A REUNION.

So this is what has to happen in order to GNR stop being a nostalgia act: The label has to understand that a reunion is not possible and then GNR and Label have to reach an agreement somewhere beetween points number 1 and 2 that is comfortable for both sides.

Until then that is what we have and what we will have,

Is it possible they reach an agreement? Dont fucking think so. I guess it will never happen.

I really think that Axl is fuckin' hilarious. The Ass-tro-nots and Google Ass comment, got me laughing for a good while.

Disappointing.

Axl has always been reclusive.

Okay, can you give us your definition of the word, please?

You basically don't know one single fact of a normal day in the life of Axl. You don't know what he things of political matters. You don't know what he is doing now. You don't know anything about the real life of the guy. (nor do I, neither of we all do) and this has always been like this.

He doesn't like media too much. When he attends to a party it is NEWS in the media because he normally doesn't do this kind of things. You doesn't know who is he in love or who is his fiancé (or if he has one) Which book is reading. Or which movie he saw yesterday.

You know all this king of things from the rest of the Rockstars of the planet, via facebook, twitter or wathever. And Axl has always been like that. We all knew knew very little from him back in the day even from the interviews. The guy is a mistery. And by the way, I like it that way.

(No, I don't mean reclusive as a Howard Hughes kind of reclusion, if thats what you are asking, I mean it in the way the guy has always been very closed when referring to show that private part of his life)

Now I'm going to need your definition of 'always', because while that's true now, it really wasn't until the band disappeared (and then dissolved) after the UYI tour. He used to speak (sometimes too) frankly about all kinds of personal stuff, and was prone to making videos about personal stuff and explaining the personal stuff in documentaries about the videos in case you didn't understand the personal stuff that was in the videos. He also used to rant about personal stuff on stage. A lot. Everyone knew who he was dating and what clubs he favored and what other musicians he wanted to punch on any given day. If anything he was sort if innocent and guileless in his openness, which was part of his charm back then. He lacked a filter and would all kinds of wacky stuff, then be startled when it caused trouble for him. He was not mysterious or closed off at all, especially during the Appetite era.

Yeah but what I am telling is that nowadays this is not because Axl has changed one bit, Its because Axl is in a band that does not matters anymore, and the public exposure is 1 million times lower. If GNR had the "relevancy" of Metallica or U2 ior fucking Coldplay in the media we would be having all the things you say. In fact, and even when the exposure of the band is way way less bigger than in the old times, we have had Axl speaking (IN THIS SAME FORUM) too frankly about all kinds of personal stuff, doing interviews in tv, talking with fans, signing autographs and showing himself backstage having fun. The only thing I really miss (though we had some great ones on 2001 and 2006) are the rants, but I guess we have a happy Axl now.

Lacked a filter? Come on', you are talking about a guy that defined in his first interview in a long time, his old former mate the band as a CANCER, this guy obviously lacks a filter, and I love it!

Axl has always been reclusive.

Okay, can you give us your definition of the word, please?

You basically don't know one single fact of a normal day in the life of Axl. You don't know what he things of political matters. You don't know what he is doing now. You don't know anything about the real life of the guy. (nor do I, neither of we all do) and this has always been like this.

He doesn't like media too much. When he attends to a party it is NEWS in the media because he normally doesn't do this kind of things. You doesn't know who is he in love or who is his fiancé (or if he has one) Which book is reading. Or which movie he saw yesterday.

You know all this king of things from the rest of the Rockstars of the planet, via facebook, twitter or wathever. And Axl has always been like that. We all knew knew very little from him back in the day even from the interviews. The guy is a mistery. And by the way, I like it that way.

(No, I don't mean reclusive as a Howard Hughes kind of reclusion, if thats what you are asking, I mean it in the way the guy has always been very closed when referring to show that private part of his life)

The 2006 Eddie Trunk interview was awesome. Laid back and fun, the Kimmel one wasn't too bad either. He just needs the right sorta people round him and to let his guard down.

Thats the best interview and one of the best media Axl has done in his entire career and it was not made by an "old Axl".

Yeah, thats because there are TONS of videos of that "old Axl era" full of insights and interviews in lost of concert backstages, right? Nope. There aren't.

They guy was reclusive and he still is. You are idealizing an Axl that never existed. Simply as that.

I take it you weren't actually around during those times?

GnR was as media friendly as any band out there back in the 87-93 years.

Axl had no problem doing interviews for magazines or tv.

Heck, you probably don't know this, but for the Illusion albums, GnR did every major magazine, they released 10 music videos, and they released two behind the scenes documentaries - just for those two albums. Mind blown, right?

So no offense - but you don't know what you are talking about. But good luck with your Axl protection mode - it's fun to watch.

No, its not an Axl protection mode at all. I don't think Axl needs no one protecting him. It is called reality. Do I know what I am talking about? Well I bought appetite when I was 14. I am in my 40's now. So yeah, I have known the band for quite long...

Axl has always been reclusive. If there were more videos of him doing interviews and things like that back in the day is because there were media and companies interested in that kind of things happening.

Now this GNR incarnation is not so relevant, or at least it is not as relevant as Old Gnr used to be. (and those media are not relevant any longer too, and the musical companies in crisis and a lot of different things...)

Axl explained it a lot time ago in an interview when someone made a question that was something like " Where have you been all this time?" and he asked something like: "Well, last week I was in that street buying some clothes but nobody gave a fuck about it" (Its not literal, but thats what I remember he meaned)

For gods sake, this guy is in a contract with a company that doesn't seem to have any interest in releasing ANY product of this actual incarnation of the band, hell, even the best buy deal and promotion from the company seemed like a forced failure to try to set pieces for a reunion...

So no, its not about old or New Axl, its about a bussiness model that has changed A LOT and GNR not being SO relevant.

Yeah, thats because there are TONS of videos of that "old Axl era" full of insights and interviews in lost of concert backstages, right? Nope. There aren't.

They guy was reclusive and he still is. You are idealizing an Axl that never existed. Simply as that.

Nah, you dont miss the old Axl, you miss the old you. The golden times of our own.

Thats what we all miss. And we project it on Axls figure.

An aging (normally I say) rockstar only represents an evidence of one thing: We all age.

And we don't fucking like it.

Yeah, no. It doesn't really have all that much to do with age or looks, and everything to do with attitude. Unfortunately for him though, they seem to have gone hand in hand, which is why people focus so much now on the physical as well as the mental. See, that Axl, the old Axl in this video, is a perfect example. Giving an impromptu backstage interview, hanging out, completely relaxed, sipping a drink, talking about plans for the future. That guy doesn't exist anymore, and that's what a lot of people miss.

That guy stopped existing in late eighties. The whole time we have known about Axl it has not benn a "relaxed, giving interviews in backstage, and being open" Axl. Its been the fucking opposite. Just like now.

Maybe the whole time you've known about Axl it has been that way, but some of us who grew up with this band do remember the Axl in that video. Just because he doesn't exist anymore doesn't mean we should pretend it was never that way. Hence, the comments that people miss the old Axl. It's a legitimate feeling for those who were able to experience it. And if anyone missed it, they missed something special.

I've "known" about Axl since 1987 when I bought Appetite. And no, "that old Axl" you've been referring to NEVER existed. The old Axl was way more closed, mean, angry and fucked up than he is nowadays, so you are the one idealizing things.

That said; I can give you similar examples of this kind of behavior in Axl NOWADAYS:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EazpwUNaUAE

Nah, you dont miss the old Axl, you miss the old you. The golden times of our own.

Thats what we all miss. And we project it on Axls figure.

An aging (normally I say) rockstar only represents an evidence of one thing: We all age.

And we don't fucking like it.

WTF are you talking about?

Don't project your own issues.

I dont understand. You dont know what I am talking about or do you understand it?

If you tell me to not project my issues, its because you are understanding what I am talking about. Then, why answer why I am talking about?

I am not projecting my issues since I am not the one having issues the way Axl Rose ages.

Vernset, you are so right!

Everyone ages it's a fact of life and no matter how many surgeries you have on the outside, your body on the inside is aging and can't do the stuff when you were younger.

It's life and it sucks, but we as humans make the most of it.

It's better than being dead. lol

I think Axl is doing well. He looks good and he's still rockin on stage. I saw a backstage youtube film about how they have a gym and a massage person on site. I'm sure they have a hot tub too. People to take care of Axl's every need.

I'm sure at home he's a regular person who does regular stuff.

We can't change other people's lives only ours and that's hard enough.

To be honest I am way more concerned about the way his voice is aging and how the Rasp seems to be gone... or if the political issues with the labels are an impediment for Axl and GNR releasing their music and their art.

Thats what bothers me. If Axl is not young anymore and has 10 more pounds than he should... I could not care less...

Nah, you dont miss the old Axl, you miss the old you. The golden times of our own.

Thats what we all miss. And we project it on Axls figure.

An aging (normally I say) rockstar only represents an evidence of one thing: We all age.

And we don't fucking like it.

Yeah, no. It doesn't really have all that much to do with age or looks, and everything to do with attitude. Unfortunately for him though, they seem to have gone hand in hand, which is why people focus so much now on the physical as well as the mental. See, that Axl, the old Axl in this video, is a perfect example. Giving an impromptu backstage interview, hanging out, completely relaxed, sipping a drink, talking about plans for the future. That guy doesn't exist anymore, and that's what a lot of people miss.

That guy stopped existing in late eighties. The whole time we have known about Axl it has not benn a "relaxed, giving interviews in backstage, and being open" Axl. Its been the fucking opposite. Just like now.

Nah, you dont miss the old Axl, you miss the old you. The golden times of our own.

Thats what we all miss. And we project it on Axls figure.

An aging (normally I say) rockstar only represents an evidence of one thing: We all age.

And we don't fucking like it.

It´s not only a matter of age.Izzy Stradling looks amazing. It´s also about what Axl has become.

Some people ages better tan others. What amazes me is how concerned people seems to be about the way Axl does.

who ever mentioned a " surprise ? "

GNR Facebook definately hinted towards one:

Dialing in on 5-11 - who is ready for something that they haven't had yet?

And it is fair to assume to most of the Russian audience haven't heard the additional songs that were played this time around and not in 2010....

But that is a clear reference to Anything Goes lyrics

I've been thinkin' 'bout

Thinkin' 'bout sex

Always hungry for somethin'

That I haven't had yet

Did you really think that that sentence implied new music?. Come on...

The show STARTED at 01:47 am?? That's crazy!

The Canadian fans in Toronto fell asleep waiting for the show starting at 11:30 pm..

01:47 !! WTF

They're getting worst!

With or without any reasons Axl comes late and for those die-hard fans deal with it.

It's very annoying and I have to shift from here to other better bands.

Slash, Muse, Metallica, U2, Bon Jovi, Motley Crue and AC/DC are still out there who are better entertainers than this band.

I love late shows, but c'mon if you say 10pm then 10pm or 2a.m. I'm on it at 2a.m. but if you showed up 1 more hour late you made me stupid because I have to work the same day.

FUCK YOU AXL ROSE! SELFISH

You are an asshole

What a surprise, uh?

My style is triple, quadruple, damage for mc's

I make 'em huff 'n puff like mufflers for meineke

Human exhaust, you wanna get lost ?

Rhymes plus exxon ride brains like alain prost

Mc clowns, I blaze towns

I dragwheel skulls, leave with speed 'n dust cloud

All you monkeys, donkeys, alternative junkies

I'm strictly t-rex, 'n my rap just crunch, see

The jive 'n babble, throw heavy scrabble

Sparkles plus the bubbles plus the flavor like snapple

All you socalled rebels heavy metal cattle

Some horses got force but I simply tame with saddle

Hunt a stunt like 'red october', ain't crossin' over

Oops ! scud scrub ? patriot makes pulver

The music hits, fierce as it is

Check the brothers in the crowd that 'hiss'

Good grief

Industry check to mac, and wanna know me

I kick against control untamed like wild pony

Stay lonely like tony, attract like coney island

My style man, don't need no master, flasher

Test a prankster gangster like a gatt much faster

Get the band aid, the kid front hard knock

I sport more techniques confidential than fort knox

Sort of tool - glock - automatic on the static

Synthetic - plastic ?- you stay ready with the cascet

I throw a style, now a freak wants to test it

It's crazy mega fab, makes your hottie cher

I crush mc jaws who oughtta be chandelier

And drop the ltter - on the quitter

The survival-rival gets stranger

Much fitter

Worldwide you get served like stinky cheese

More force than a sexual intercourse

So mc's please !

Brothers amaze - keep 'em all in a daze

With the wild funk blaze

Good grief

One time for your mind now, as I have to climb now

Step by step now, where your rap now

I kick the flavor like a wes craven

People under my stairs wanna steal like raven

Black with breaks wanna croak when spoken to

Some shitty nonsense beat, you gotta be jokin' too

The rhyme enforcer, rhythm corsair

Hit the core with force, well of course oh !

Don't give me that lip lip

Like he thought that he could

I frown on bullshit like my name's clint eastwood

You come with fronts, stunts 'n poses

I welcome you to my jungle

Like my name was guns 'n roses

I blast the sound, you check the sound

You gotz to be down, and be like charlie brown

Saying good grief

Urban Dance Squad - Good Grief

where there any moment when you thought of giving up about all this GNR ownership thing?

If so, what gave you the force to keep on and on until you succeed?

dont you think the best way of demostrating the ownership of the name (appart from all the legal shit), is playing live and demostrating THIS is fucking GNR? I do.