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Massive crowd, cant wait for Adelaide. Man Rocket Queen sounded amazing. I thought he struggled a bit on YCBM though

Sorry in advance. I hate to be the one zillionth customer here but none of this is on youtube anymore.

I will offer my first born to any well wishing Pm'ers.

Thanks

Dave

Rose Tatt are great, but I thought Peter Wells died a few yrs back now???

As for Seb Bach.....God sitting through this loudmouth, airheaded sycophants set is going to be absolute torture and an embarrasment to me as im bringing a group of frinds along.

Axl was forced to comment because he publicly stated a number of times it would be released in 2006. Notice he stated it was a TENTATIVE date.

Despite never previously publicly stating a date , im sure they have had many,many tentative dates before.

No new news really.

I think Axl would be pretty much the same in most situations , infact I think the cushy life he leads would have made him a bit softer.

I personally am pretty skeptical about his "repressed memories" of sexual abuse supposedly happening at 2 and remebering things "almost to the point of conception"........I mean c'mon. Regression therapy was fashionable in the early 90's and is mostly discredited and from my experience with quite a few people who made similar claims to Axl it was mostly suggestive on thetherapists part with a sub conciously willing patient who by nature is a bit of a drama queen.

Axl needs to go work as a labourer for a year and quit fucking moaning. If he didnt take himself so seriously maybe he'd learn to relax and the "muse" would return, because he would be writing and playing for ENJOYMENT and natural SELF EXPRESSION and not to prove hes better than the old band or to make a perfect record. He puts the pressure on himself , no-oone else does.

Is it me or is Merk basically saying that Axl has really needed to only have 3 or 4 days solid days of creativity to complete the record and hasnt managed this for nearly a year????

If thats the case no wonder this thing has taken 15 yrs.

I think Brian May as well said it was a great album.

Years ago.

Didnt one on the producers who helped Axl (someone who worked with Pink Floyd) supposedly say in his view Axl has only 3 good songs?? I dont recall the detail so if anyone else does that would be helpfull.

Also Axl said on radio that the record company felt that "we could do better", so basically the record company heard what Axl had back in 99-01 and basically said, this is shit, go back to the drawing board guys.

Brian May is too nice to not be supportive and Seb Bach.....well he's a tad overenthusaistic about anything, plus he's quite a suck up.

I cant actually think of anyone who has cred that has really said anything like its a masterpiece, but then how many people who have actually heard it have spoken publicly??

The masterpiece shit is complete fan made bullshit as usual. Axl has never once said or even insinuated that the album was a 'masterpiece'. So many people started saying it that it's just kinda considered common knowledge. More unfounded crap. Besides, a masterpiece to one person may be a piece of shit to another. Oh - and the same goes for the term 'big gun' as well.

The blues is really good ( though i personally dont like the slowed down version or some of the guitars)

Better is a good rock song (again some of the guitars are kinda cheesy)

Maddy is OK'ish if a tad overblown slow and pompous

Nothing Ive heard even vaguely comes close to masterpiece, infact 50% of what we have heard ranges from very average to complete garbage.

I think Brian May as well said it was a great album.

Years ago.

Didnt one on the producers who helped Axl (someone who worked with Pink Floyd) supposedly say in his view Axl has only 3 good songs?? I dont recall the detail so if anyone else does that would be helpfull.

Also Axl said on radio that the record company felt that "we could do better", so basically the record company heard what Axl had back in 99-01 and basically said, this is shit, go back to the drawing board guys.

Brian May is too nice to not be supportive and Seb Bach.....well he's a tad overenthusaistic about anything, plus he's quite a suck up.

I cant actually think of anyone who has cred that has really said anything like its a masterpiece, but then how many people who have actually heard it have spoken publicly??

I by the way am apparently the only person in the world who though a whole album of fully realised heavy NIN, my world Axl songs woulda made a great album.

you aren't the only one at all. that wuld fucking rule!

YESS finally haha

Some of the best musicans of all time were clinically insane. Listen to Coma and tell me where you think Axl is in that equation.

I agree.

But then Syd Barret didnt release music for decades either and look what happened there.

PS Coma was written by Slash....and then Axl added lyrics

Some of the best musicans of all time were clinically insane. Listen to Coma and tell me where you think Axl is in that equation.

I agree.

But then Syd Barret didnt release music for decades either and look what happened there.

PS Coma was written by Slash....and then Axl added lyrics

My world woulda been a better example.

I by the way am apparently the only person in the world who though a whole album of fully realised heavy NIN, my world Axl songs woulda made a great album.

Until this band releases a new album EVERY member can be replaced.....do you disagree??

Anyway this is off topic.

Has Axl been honest or has he been dishonest or is he actually quire delusional??

My opinion is that he is delusional.

I personally dont believe 50% of hi versions of events, not cos I dislike him or have beef, just honestly I think he has a few mental problems where he actually blames other people.

Like I doubt very very very much the reson why he was voilent toward Erin or Steph was 'sel defence'....I mean c'mon

I doubt almost all his former friends all came to the same conclusions

I doubt his family were worse than he has been in his own adult life.

I doubt CD's release is ANYONES fault other than his own

I doubt old GNR's problems were mostly the other guys fault and that drugs were THAT responsible when the ONLY guy that prevented releases and getting on stage was Axl.

Thats my point.

He just blames everyone thats all, it gets really lame

Sure I can name you 5 new GNR topics to talk about

Frank Ferrer

Tommy Stinson

Robin Finck

Richard Fortus

Bumblefoot

Start you'r topics

BTW I am not slamming you. But it does get very boaring just to hear nothing positive.

Thats actually a really good reply.

Trouble is those topics are not relevant at all until an album is actually released.

Axl at this point IS GNR, and as the lighting rod of GNR his life is relevant. Especially when the fans CONTINUALLY either suffer due to his behaviour or even more directly get BLAMED by him , his managment or his minions(del james) for his late starts, no shows, walk offs, rumours or even worse him starting riots where innocent people actaullu get hurt.

Notice gabb never actually adressed any of my questions.

anyway.

Im slammin the guy, but none of us are perfect, but it does appear a bit sad he blames everyone

I didn't answer you'r questions because it's nothing that someone else hasn't already said. If you want to be taken seriously act like an adult and start a topic that is original!

1-10 discoduckglue is a fuck-tard

YOU DECIDE!

umm yes he is

And is there ANY relevant point of discussion about a band that CANT release music in over a decade thats actually worth talking about??????

Can you name 5 new interesting NEW GNR topics worth talking about please????????? Id be very interested in talking about new GNR stuff if I could.

Anyway I am actually very interested in anyone that has relevant points of view, especially on regression therapy, which many people I used to knoe were very enamored by but I very rarely hear of this technique any more.

Is it discredited or still practiced??

because it does appear that Axl did PUBLICLY slam lots of people for the type of behaviour that he actually inflicts on others....eg sexual and voilent abuse

go bitch at someone who cares.

well if you dont care why reply????

Anyway Im a fan but why arent I allowed to express my feelings?? You never answered any of the questions I asked anyway.

sorry not buyin it, another rumor most prob

Oh God not another one

Is that what your dad said???

Sorry,

seriously though, are fans meant to be happy right now?

and its beyond the new album not being released as promised the guy talks soooooo much ^%# that its almost a shame someone hasnt just pulled him into line. I do feel sorry for the girlfriends, family,fans, bandmates, friens and everyone else he has attempted to blame. Its pathetic

I am aware that this is a massive bitch, but hey, Im a longtime fan of the MUSIC. I always will be. As far as the man though, well.....

I was going to make a long complex topic, but meh its not my call.

Its simple , what do the fans think.

Is Axl an honest guy who says what he thinks and means what he says, or is he FOS. Is it a mix of both??

My opinion has changed over the years , I look back at rants against his family and CLAIMS about abuse brought up in therapy as lame excuses....therapy that nowadays seems to be almost completely disregarded by modern psychology as just another example of excuses and using people close to him to blame for his own bad behaviour.

Things like saying Slash is to blame for everything like not wanting to make an appetite for destruction type album in 94-96....I mean is that even vaguely believable??

Is Bucket leaving really responsible for the no show in rio??

Is "absolutely" really the word for a 06 release??

Was it honest to publucly slag Izzy during the 02 tour ?? and claim he was basically useless, when he wrote the bulk of the illusion albums??

Did he really not know his management had set up a tour of europe in 2001 or 2002 (I forget)

I know this is a bitch fest and I could give a ZILLION more examples, but itsa hard to defend the guy anymore and I for one am a little sick of him blaming his family, band,police,security,fans etc etc etc for all his screw ups.

I honestly think that he's not only just above average as a singer, but he's a ridiculously awful songwriter and his band sucked. And his current band sucks even more from what I've seen. He's a cheeseball and incorporating him into this tour was a mistake because so many kids who haven't heard Gn'R except for SCOM & NR think they're hair metal, and getting a former hair metal frontman involved in this tour is stupid. The kids won't go.

Well said .

I agree, Bach's a fucking disgrace.

This is what must happen backstage:

Bach: YEEAAHAAHHHHH ROCK N ROLL ALCHOHOL YEAH FUCK YEAH ROCK YEAH ROCK METAL YEAH ROCK YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Band: *hushed voices* What the fuck is wrong with him?

Bach: YEAHH PARTY YEAH ROCK YEAH WOOOOOOO PORN SEX ROCK YEAH YEAH YEAH MY MUSIC IS PAINFULLY AVERAGE YEAH ROCK N FUCKIN ROLL YEAH

Tommy: Shut up

Bach: PORN SEX ROCK ROCK METAL YEAH ROCK

That is genuinely hilarious

Bach is an embarrasment, always was...loud mouthed meathead. Plus, my God what an arse kisser.

Whilst many of the fan boys an overly negative whingers are cringeingly embarrassing ( especially the fanboys)

It has become more and more obvious that this band isnt about moving on and views the fans as a payday, nothing more.

Back in 91 when Vince Neil said he was going to belt Axl because he was sick of seeing this little prima donna treating his fans like shit I didnt quite get it. I do now however, and I personally wish someone had of just staood up to the little prick years ago.

As for Del James and Axl's other hangers on.....well, Axl obviously isnt a man that is big enough to have friends with independant thoughts. Even back in the illussion period Id read articles written by this arse licker and they were so ridiculously gushing about how wonderful Axl is it was sickening.

At least we know why Axl loves Bas so much....yeh another brown noser.

GNR stopped being about grittiness and real life years ago.

Hey Del, go wake up at 5:40 and travel to work via traffic jams, and spend 8 hrs on a production line you chump.......you do that after waiting for that arsehole to come on stage, you do that for 1 week, then call me a whinger you pathetic name dropper.

Did you hear that??

i agree with what you said adnan. thing is we should be able to express that without these guys taking this thread off topic with their garbage.

Ummm let me get this straight.

If someone who prefers the old band mentions the old band, then they are dickheads.

but then you find out a new GNR fan mentioned the old band , but this then is fine????

But then you say ' we should be able to express this' referring to bringing up the old band.

Then in the next breath anyone else replying or discussing it is taking it off topic???

Seriously how much can you discuss the original topic of this thread anyway?? I mean kiddies go out in the sunshine, go for a walk, get a girly, play the guitar.

I personally will be back when/if CD is released and there is something to actually discuss.

Yup....that's....errmmm....logical.

not.

Whilst im not a massive fan of what the other guys have done since.

If you got the best snakpit riffs, 2 or 3 of the better VR songs (delete scott W and let Ax do his thang), the best Izzy songs (would be much better with Slash and Axl singing....cos the actual songs are top notch) ...the best from Duffs solo stuff, and add a handfull of Axl's songs.

Voila 3 or 4 fantastic GNR albums.

The new CD 's will have to be as good as that mix IMHO for me to see whay the old band had to be forced out.

Anyway you idea that VR took 10 yrs is silly.

we're all products of our past and the sum total of the trauma or postivity inflicted upon us by life, look at things with a lil compassion, theres a lotta reasons behind everything

Yeh thats fine but he's 44 , he's gotta stop using xcuses.

I and many other people had just as abad and most likely a worse childhood than Axl, I acted very badly at times in my 20's.

This is the problem with Axl, instead of fronting up and taking responsibility for his action he blames everyone else. Then many fans excuse him all the time.

No wonder he hasnt changed.

He has had an extremely privelidged life for the past 20 yrs and the victim thing ran out yrs ago. The first step in changeing bad behaviour is in admitting that it is bad.

he's not ur ordinary guy, im sure they know what the assholes like so wtf, let him shout, if he hits there, then step in, somethings happened, but jus by stickin his nose in the guard created a situation that coulda been avoided altogether. n whys being pissed

Are you Kidding.

The guard was meant to NOT DO HIS JOB???

He was meant to sit by and let a drunk patron argue in the lobby in front of sober guests and children????

Im sure if he did nothing the hotel would have been inundated with complaints, and he would have been fired....that simple.

Its not rocket science Axl was drunk ,loud and abusive . The Math is simple....it was all his fault, how anyone can disagree is bewildering.

When in someone elses premises / home / country you respect there expextations and dont act like that or you will be asked to leave.

Axl IS an ordinary guy and one with a history of voilence. To blame the guard for intervening is rubbish. Like I said before any decent male would intervene when watching a drunk male yelling at a smaller woman in public. Axl is just lucky it was a professional rather than another hothead or he may have gotten publicly beat up.

if u read a lil more of my post i think u'll find i was blaming axl in there too...

OK cool, sorry if i didnt read all ur post properly.

I actually really like Axl.

I just wish once...just once he would man up and say sorry to someone he has wronged rather than blame innocent people. He seems quite delusional and it makes me lose respect for him and incidents like this tend to make me believe Erin,Stephanie, Slash etc over him.

Axl is always coming across as victimised, yet he seems really oblivious or delusional when he wrongs other people.