pilferk

Can't wait to hear the NEXT one!!

Thanks Stephen! And thanks for the mention/shout out! 

I definitely want to hear a final version of that "they got me tied up, put away" track!!

20 minutes ago, RussTCB said:

I just approved a bunch of new accounts this morning including his. 

Unless there's something I'm missing, this seems like a pretty straight forward deal; it's a person making music that sounds like GN'R. It's more or less our fault that we thought/hoped it was genuine GN'R music.

More or less, this, I think.

But the details are interesting (at least they were to me), especially to the folks that liked what they heard.  

I think a lot of his desire to tell his story also stems from the "fake stephen" who posted earlier in this thread. I suspect he just wants to make sure everything is clear and tidied up, and that there's no blowback from the guns camp.

I really want to let Stephen tell his story, so I'm going to say as little as possible. But 1) Right, it's not GnR.  I don't think saying so is stealing his thunder.  He's' said as much in the comments on insta.  2) It's not GnR in any way (not a cover of anything GnR has done...heard, unheard, etc).

I'm sort of intentionally being cryptic (which I know sucks), because I really want him to be able to tell his own story, and the genesis of the tracks.  He seems like a pretty cool guy, and a huge GnR fan....and he was totally caught off guard by all this.  This is very much (for you old timers) My Favorite Pillow, the sequel.

I also want to add...I'm not any sort of insider or anything. I'm sure a lot of you know me from HTGTH.  I'm just a schlub who reached out to a guy on instagram and got a response. I originally (as you can see in my  post) just commented on the track thanking him for setting the record straight, which confused the fuck out of him since he hadn't actually posted here.  I pointed him here and have sort of been playing middle man since then, and we've talked back and forth about this.

I know the mods are working on approving his account, but I guess the mod who does that is unavailable at this exact moment. As soon as they're available, I think the plan is to approve him and get him on here to give his version of what happened.

Talking to Stephen, now. As soon as the mods approve his account here, he plans to come explain the origins of the track.

1 hour ago, emybdc said:

 

So. many. plot twists.

I just want to clarify a bit:

When I say he's not commenting on exactly what it is or who it's from, I mean it literally. I just want to be sure that's clear.  He didn't say "no comment". He wasn't elusive or dodgy in our conversation...in fact, you see the entirety of his part of our talk in the screen shots.

But on his instagram, there's lot of other folks speculating and asking if the track is GnR...and he's not saying anything.  He's not saying it's him and his friends, he's not saying it's his band.....all he's saying is it's something he's working on and prepping for release. He hashtags #gnr (as you've all seen) and bunches of other influences/artists/"stuff".  He could be mixing/producing something for ANYONE, or working on something for himself...who knows.   I don't know if OTHER folks got DM's with more info or not, and I'll let other people pester him for info at this point, if they see fit. I've heard enough, at this point, to be satisfied.  We KNOW the original source of the "Fan club" video was Stephen's instagram.  For me, that's good enough and I'll watch whatever unfolds, there.  I like the track, so would like a chance to hear the whole thing, regardless. 

I'm of the mind that, no, it's not GnR.  But we'll see for sure, eventually, I guess.

I don't post here very often, but wanted to pass this along.   I reached out to Stephen via instagram, and he, apparently, did not post to mygnrforum. I had commented on one of his insta posts thanking him for "setting the record straight" that the track was not gnr. You'll see his responses, via direct message, below:

Having said that, he is definitely the originator of the track (meaning the original online source was his instagram)....but he's not commenting on exactly what it is or who it's from at this point.

What is this blood in the water we are discussing? I have not heard it yet....

Oh..well..now I have!

Livenation password is singer (NOT THE MOBILE APP password).

Got my 2 to Roseland!

I'd say chances of the tweet being fake (via hacker) are pretty high.

Look at all of the other tweets by Axl: Twitter for iPhone

Look at the most recent one: Mobile web.

That, alone, doesn't pass the smell test.

can someone clear this up for me, this new Manager, Is this the same guy that was on that show SuperGroup, with Bach?

Yup...pretty sure.

How would that be a weird theory when Azoff has made a career and fortune off of putting together said to be impossible reunions?

Outside of GNR, what act out there is any bigger that has never reunited and has a bigger potential payday behind it were it to ever happen?

Seems to me it makes all the sense in the world a reunion specialist would have been interested in managing the band with the biggest potential big money reunion out there.

It also seems entirely consistent that when it became apparent there was no chance of it happening he bailed because the money managing new GNR is a fraction of what it would be managing a reunited GNR, and given Azoff's stature is just not worth his time in the current incarnation.

I don't know what Azoff's plans or ideas were when he signed on as GnR's manager.

What we DO know is that Azoff took on a HUGE new role with TM...one that is going to be, and has been recently, very demanding of his time.

It's pretty easy to see a scenario where Azoff had to recuse himself, either becuase of time constraints or due to some conflict of interests arising, of his managerial duties.

You know what to end this BS, i am sorry for being apart of the trolling BS and making it worse

From now on I am just going to ignore it, and choose my words more carefully so it does not come off as bashing.

That will make everyone happy and it will make the board a better place.

We are all fans and should not be fighting over trival stuff.

You are right, and this is getting stupid, we should all be happy Axl is touring again and actually talking to the fans.

See, now that wasn't so hard. I'm proud of ya, Dave.

Koombayah, my lord...Koombayah...

pilferk did this thread not go off track after pilferk started bashing me?

And he did because I said Axls manager said he was insane and agreed with it? So that gives him the right to bash?

No, because PILFERK (as in...me) never bashed you.

And I didn't say it gives him the right to bash you. I simply pointed out his one infraction doesn't much compare with your multiple ones...and I only cited the ones directed at me.

I also said, if you consider the cupcake comment bashing:

a ) I don't see the other two insults you say you ignored

b ) doing so doesn't/shouldn't give you carte blanche to treat the rest of those discussing the same topic, the same way.

In case you hadn't noticed, I'm not Jungle Cat. Neither are many of the other posters.

My momma taught me something long ago: Two wrongs don't make a right.

If you want the mods to wield the slapping stick, they should apply it everyone (including you) involved.

So you proved my point, if someone is defending Axl its ok to bash, but if someone is a so called hater its wrong.

I said (implied/wrote/inferred) no such thing. Had I wanted to make that point, I wouldn't have pointed out Junglecats cupcake comment. But I did, didn't I?

If he never made his trolling posts, this thread never would have gone down hill, the mods should have nipped that in the bud and put an end to it but they didnt.

Its funny you are defending him for his trolling, then when I just defend myself and so the same thing back, oh I m wrong.

You'll excuse me if I don't believe you...simply because your diatribe wasn't directed at JC....it was directed at others, including me. Blaming someone else for you derailing is not only a cop out, it's an appalling display of refusing to take any semblance of personal responsibility for your actions.

You can cry that it would never have gone off track if JC had not called you a cupcake.....but it doesn't hold water when the majority of YOUR transgressions had nothing to do with that bent of the conversation.

You proved my point perfectly, thanks. I knew you would.

The point that the mods should have stepped in and slapped you on the wrist? Thanks...glad I could help. Given you have such confidence in me, in making your argument for you, perhaps you should also lend the same confidence to my points in our earlier conversation.

As for careful what I wish for, please if they would stop the defenders of Axl from trolling on me first, I would never even start up.

And the funny thing is, something the cupcakes still cannot figure out when they start on me, its so easy to push their buttons.

It makes them go crazy, and I just sit back and laugh.

Obviously, by your responses to me....that's not the case. You can try to pass that off as true, but it's pretty transparent. You got ticked off that anyone (someone, I might add, who's worked in a venue, with TM, and has spent about 15+ years in corporate america) would question your supreme knowledge.

You're taking this stuff FAR too personally. The fact that, when someone pretty much obliterates your point, you can only resort to the personal stuff isn't something you can, now, discount.

To now try to blame YOUR actions on JC is beyond laughable. My 5 year old ends up in "time out" when he pulls that stuff....blaming his sisters when HE should know better.

The thead was fine until the first trolling comment was made, and it wasnt made by me.

So you should go talk to that person first, but of course you wont since they were defending Axls honor right?

They're not posting, trying to blame someone else for their actions.

You want me to say the cupcake comment was out of line? Sure. JC could have, instead, addressed WHY your comment was objectionable.

Now go ahead and admit YOU were wrong and apologize. Don't argue. Don't belabor the point. Just apologize (to me, the mods, and the group). And we can all move on.

I suspect you won't, because the truth is the above is just one big cop out. You're rationalizing, deflecting, and trying to shirk your part in all this.

But, to be perfectly clear, it's obvious to everyone else reading this that's what's going on. Just so you know.....

Apollo, I totally agree with this statement; " You treat people with dignity and respect, and that's how I live my life." Thats how I wish all people were.

Totally agree. Reasonable people can reasonably disagree.....

There's no issue with disagreeing with someone's opinion, or pointing out that someone might not be knowledgeable about a certain subject. There's no issue with voicing your dissent on their points.

But I think calling people stupid, resorting to name calling, or any other personal attacks/insult not only undermines/detracts from any point you might have, but is counter-productive to being able to discuss ANYTHING. It becomes overwhelming "background" noise.....

And I do agree with gnr-Dave...maybe the mods should take steps to curtail that.

Apollo, as you can see from this thread,, I never start off with insulting posts until certain people start up with that.

Look at the whole TM thing for example, everyone was discussing it fine, until a few people started in, then it went down hill.

Please revisit our "conversation".

Because it was assuredly YOU (and, in fact, it was only you, through out) who resorted to personal insults and name calling.

Let's not rewrite history, eh?

People get pissy because I am not 100 pro Axl, then once they start with personal stuff, I start with it

Or they point out you're wrong...as in my case.

The thread was going fine until JungleCat made his stupid comment that added nothing to the debate.

All he did was cupcake in this thread and detrailed it. He is the one who brought in the name calling.

Hmmmm.....let's see.

I see junglecat calling you a cupcake AFTER you said Axl was insane.

Then I see a lot of you saying things like this:

I think you have your head too far up your ass you did not get the jist of my post.

You are just too stupid to make the connection of what I said

I know you think the more times you say something you think your small brain will start to believe its tru

I am sorry if you cannot get this through your thick skull

So maybe you can point out where EVERYONE else started it, eh?

Look at all the posts before his, everyone was playing nice. I even ignored his first two insults.

Which two? The only one I see is his "cupcake" comment.

In the previous posts to that, he actually comments on your points.

I treat the posters with respect that give me respect. Have I ever insulted you? Nope.

Ahem....

Its a two way street. People love to bait on this board then cry when I or others insult back eventhough that person started it.

The mods need to start taking action at the first insult then it wont esculate to what it does. It seems its only ok to bash if you are "defending" Axl.

I actually agree with you.

The mods should take action. EQUAL action.....

Be careful what you wish for, eh?

Be patient. It'll likely happen late this summer.

Doing exactly what they're doing is best for the band. Playing awesome shows in Asia, Canada, South America (we hope) and then Europe (we hope) only increases their "stock" in the US, and makes them more attractive to promoters and fans, alike. I actually think they're writing the "textbook" on exactly what they should be doing....

And that's coming from US based fan who can't WAIT for them to tour again, here.

That is funny since you and your cronies bashed me instead of debating what I said.

Most people simplely disagreed with me without all the name calling BS you and a few others did.

I suggest you do the same. You dont debate you just start up with the personal BS instead of debating the point.

You should try it some time.

Please point out where I "called you names" or insulted you in any way. Where I engaged in "personal BS" or bashed you. In fact, all I've done is address the "issues" in your posts. Nothing more, nothing less.

Saying you don't know, or suggesting you may not know, what you're talking about isn't insulting you.

Calling someone stupid is.

Nice try..but you're trying to rewrite history. In point of fact, I've done a remarkably good job (if I do say so myself) of taking the proverbial "high road" in our discussions.

Edit: Of course, reading the above responses, maybe your post wasn't directed at me....though it's impossible to tell given the abysmal "quoting" done in your post.

Ticketmaster makes its money on every ticket sold with its horseshit "service" and "convenience" charges. So yeah, they would make money on a GNR tour even if it didn't sell well. Some people have to see everything in black and white, when in reality GNR still sells more tickets than the vast majority of acts and even if they were selling 8000 tickets a night for a 30 date tour, Ticketmaster would still take in well over $4,000,000 which no doubt you will say is meaningless, but for a company who posted a net loss of $1.1 billion in 2008, their shareholders and the BOD isn't going to look kindly on a CEO turning away income because of some personal grudge.

You also assume that there's bad blood between the two and they somehow hate each other now just because they didn't see eye to eye on something

Nor would his CFO, who would see it as leaving money on the table...money they really need to be profitable...and money that might save HIS job.

Nor would the SEC, who would see doing so as a violation of his fiduciary duties to his shareholders.

Nor would his subordinates, the ones actually DOING the negotiating with GnR, who would see it as effecting their potential bonuses, the health of the company, and (considering there have been rumors of layoffs) potentially their jobs.

Nor would the Federal Government, who could possibly open up another anti-trust suit based on that type of action, which would further anger the BOD and the shareholders.

There's absolutely NO way any "ill will" with Azoff, even if it existed, would come into play,here. No way. TM has too much to lose, and NOTHING to gain, by allowing it to occur. Azoff would have too much to lose and NOTHING to gain by allowing a stupid personal grudge to have any effect on how he'd run a HUGE corporate entity.

And that ignores the fact that Azoff wouldn't have any direct contact with ANYTHING GnR was doing with TM. They wouldn't be talking to him, at this point, anyway.....and his shareholders would be pissed off if he did, because that's not what he was hired for.

I guess you miss the people giving me shit first, but of course you ignore that part.

You know what I am saying is true but you just want to kiss Axls ass and pretend its not.

Its funny you left that part out.

Or they simply question inane assertions and questions you put forth.

Which, of course, is rather the point of posting ON A DISCUSSION FORUM.

If you just want to hear yourself talk....rather than listen/discuss....what are you doing HERE??!!

And I guess everyone outside this board has met Axl, knows him personally, has hung out with him countless times because it would just be so so silly if they based their viewpoint on him through the blinkered viewpoint of the media.

True words.

Axl likes his privacy. He's not comfortable with the more tabloid elements of celebrity...and because he's not so media friendly (especially since the mid 90's), he tends to get a bad wrap. I suspect there's a lot of misrepresentation and speculation making up a lot of those media articles...because Axl simply doesn't talk about that stuff.

And what on the "inside" might seem pretty logical or normal or apt...from the outside isn't always so.

Look, Axl's no angel. He's eccentric, quirky, and all that...but many creative people are. Most geniuses are (witness Einstein), too. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle (as with most things) and if you look at "the middle".....it's not all that remarkable.

You think Axls new new new gnr can make TM money when they were playing to half filled to 3/4 filled arena's last time around? This is what two years later?

Ummm...because they have been in Asia, Canda, look to be able to in South America......

They also have new material to tour with.

And they don't HAVE to tour like they did back in '02...doing 20 to 30 shows in every arena known to man.

If you can't, objectively, look at the band, at the opportunities that exist in touring different ways, etc and come up with some pretty likely scenarios where they'd be profitable you either aren't trying very hard or don't know a thing about this side of the business (or both).

And did you even read my post? People love to talk shit out of context like JungleCat and pilferk. I said hopefully Axl did not burn any bridges with Azoff or he could make it difficult for Axl to tour in the US through TM.

I said he probably didnt so it wont even matter.

And it's been explained to you why burning bridges with Azoff would likely...no, not likely...would almost certainly have zero effect on GnR's dealings with TM. That's reality, rather than unfounded "what if" based on your fantasy.

You just refuse to see it, but it's fact (not opinion, mind you...FACT).

So the question you pose, in and of itself, is irrelevant.

Again, as for taking anything out of context...I "refreshed your memory" back a couple pages ago. Nothing has been taken out of context....so that little "wiggle" ain't gonna wash.

I know you think the more times you say something you think your small brain will start to believe its true, so keep doing what you are doing.

You are not even arguing what I am saying, you are just reading what you want to read into it.

Like I said, and this is my point, if TM made it difficult for Gnr to tour the US Axl would be screwed.

Stop trying to change the debate into something else. I even said Axl probably did not burn any bridges so it probably wont even matter.

I am sorry if you cannot get this through your thick skull. I never said TM is going to black ball Axl, I said if they wanted to make it difficult for Axl to tour states, Axl is in trouble.

Thanks for continuing to prove my point about those who are getting crushed in an argument.....insulting the poster is the last bastion of the beaten board warrior. you deserve kudos for making that so crystal clear.

If a meteor crashed into the earth, tomorrow, we'd all be dead.

But it won't and we won't.

If you want to argue unlikely (and that's being kind) flights of fantasy, have at it. But realize that they have exactly zero chance of actually happening. And don't fly off the handle when that's pointed out.

But just like I won't go walking outside today and see elves, fairies and dwarves playing in the snow.....TM is not going to "decide to make it difficult for GnR". They have no reason to. There is no precedent that they would. There are LOTS of reasons they wouldn't, only some of which I've enumerated.

So arguing what might happen "if they do" is pointless and irrelevant. The fact you refuse to see that simple point again points to the fact you have no earthly clue how this business works or what really goes on in corporate america, or in the live entertainment business. It's really as simple as that.

There's really no point trying to explain yourself to GNR-DAVE, the guy is a grade A moron, he just likes to bitch and moan and thinks he knows what's going on.

I'm quickly coming to the same conclusion...you can lead horse to water, and all that......

It IS nice to hear that I'm actually making my point, clearly. For a minute, I felt a bit like I was banging my head into the wall....

And I dont think you know how the entertainment biz works, people are black balled all the time. I dont even know why you are trying to argue, I said lets hope Axl did not burn any bridges, I even said he probably did not.

So quit your bitching about something that will probably not happen. You really need to learn to read whole posts and not just pick out the parts you want to.

And to refresh you memory, here's the post I initially responded to:

I am not saying Axl left on bad terms, I am saying if he did, it will be more difficult for him to tour the US, how is that wrong?

After which I promptly demonstrated how "bad terms" with Azoff would be/are simply irrelevant in dealing with TM.

You asked the question...I simply answered it.

Edit:

And then YOU actually responded to me talking to another poster with this:

yeah is why when PJ took on TM they had to play barns in maine right?

Which is irrelevant, since it was PJ's CHOICE not to use TM....not TM's choice to blackball PJ. Pretty big difference and completely unrelated to what we're talking about here.

You are just too stupid to make the connection of what I said, I am sorry you cannot see that.

Comparing gnr and pj is not stupid, maybe to someone like you that just loves to argue.

If Axl cannot use TM in the states he is screwed, he will not get to play any of the main venues, I don't even see how you can debate that.

And I dont think you know how the entertainment biz works, people are black balled all the time. I dont even know why you are trying to argue, I said lets hope Axl did not burn any bridges, I even said he probably did not.

So quit your bitching about something that will probably not happen. You really need to learn to read whole posts and not just pick out the parts you want to.

You know, they say the last bastion of hope to those that have lost an argument is to start insulting the other participant. Good to see the old addages are alive and well.....

When you don't understand the realities of any situation, I'm sure those that do, and act accordingly (or speak accordingly) do look stupid. Ignorance really IS bliss, I guess.

Yes....obviously, if Axl couldn't use TM, he would have an issue. I've never argued that point...but it's an irrelevant point because your basis foundation for making it doesn't hold water.

There's no reason, other than his personal choice (one he wouldn't make), why he wouldn't be able to use TM. Your example of PJ isn't relevant, since they made the choice, not TM.

Please point out an instance where TM has blackballed or refused to work with an artist, act, or any live entertainer due to a "personal grudge". Or where they'd instilled any sort of "punitive" terms or fees on an artist, act, or live entertainer because of personal animosity.

Of course, you can't. Which is entirely the point. One you simply refuse to see because it obliterates any semblance of an argument from you.....

But feel free to keep trying, and demonstrating your lack of understanding in this issue......it's good for a nice chuckle, if nothing else.

I think you have your head too far up your ass you did not get the jist of my post.

So let me dumb it down for you.

Pearl Jam took on TM and decided not to go through them for that tour THUS they could only play venues that TM did not sell the tix to, thus they had to play barns and venues like that.

MY POINT is if TM does not want Axl because he burned bridges he will only be able to play those venues pearl chose to play.

PJ found that its impossible to not use TM if you want to tour the states and have a successful tour.

Is that dumbed down enough for you?

No, see..the thing is, I actually understand and know how this process works.

The point, actually, is that the two situations have zero to do with each other. The fact you think they do have some similarity shows you don't have a clue what you're talking about (still). And the fact you can't connect the dots I presented just reinforces that notion.

Let ME dumb it down for you (since you obviously need it far more than I do):

TM doesn't blackball people. TM has no reason to (business or otherwise). So any relationship with Azoff is irrelevant.

PJ "blackballed" TM...they refused to use them because they didn't like TM's service fee structure. When PJ finally decided they had no choice but to accept TM's STOCK (meaning, the same for everyone) fees and terms, they once again were using TM.

PJ FILED A LAWSUIT, WHICH INITIATED A FEDERAL ANTI-TRUST SUIT, AGAINST TM....AND THE MINUTE THEY AGREED TO TM'S STOCK TERMS AND FEES, TM "TOOK THEM BACK". No if's, ands, or buts. No stricter terms, no increased fees or cut. No penalty whatsoever. And that's with a band that tried to get the company dismantled.

Since you don't seem to be able to grasp the obvious, here: It was PJ's CHOICE not to use TM. It was not TM forcing PJ out.

The two situations (PJ vs GnR) are so completely different, they have zero bearing on one another. The fact you think they do speaks volumes about your understanding of how TM works, how the live entertainment industry works, etc.