pilferk

Sounds a little far fetched. Madagascar was performed 4 years ago and may have been written well before that and he never got "approval" until now?

He wouldn't need it for a public performance (fair use) but WOULD need it for publishing them on a CD.

Kinda like any band can cover another band's stuff in concert....but couldn't put that same song on one of their CD's without permission from the original artist.

A band can record any song they please so long as the structure (Lyrics etc) of the track isn't changed and royalties are paid. To alter the structure or sample a pre recorded track would require permission

Not true. Doing so would violate copyright laws. They can record the song, and release it (ie publish it), ONLY IF THEY RECEIVE PERMISSION FROM THE ORIGINAL ARTIST (actually author(s)).

Dont believe me? Call a good copyright attorney and they'll corroborate.

Sounds a little far fetched. Madagascar was performed 4 years ago and may have been written well before that and he never got "approval" until now?

He wouldn't need it for a public performance (fair use) but WOULD need it for publishing them on a CD.

Kinda like any band can cover another band's stuff in concert....but couldn't put that same song on one of their CD's without permission from the original artist.

I was the OP at HTGTH...and I posted it here, too.

It's buried somewhere on the forum...

I think IRS may have been recorded to a casette tape before it was put on the CD. In the first 1 or 2 seconds of IRS there is a noticible "POP" that sounds exactly like when you press record on a tape recorder. Has anyone else noticed the popping sound?

Good ears. But I don't think that's what caused the pop. Or at least, not quite in the way you mean.

It's a digital rip, to be sure, not a rip of a cassette. You'd hear the hiss, even on direct line in from the cassette to sound card OR to a CD burner.

However, DAT tapes can make the same pop....

Who is Eddie Trunk?

Oh boy...

gonna go for the short version:

Back in '03, Mike Piazza (the then NY Met) was on a radio show hosted by Eddie Trunk (DJ, VH1 Host) over Labor day weekend (Friday night, late, I think..but cold have been Saturday). Mike supposedly brought a CD with him that Trunk played on the air. It contained IRS. At the time, Trunk and Piazza said there were 3 tracks on that CD, with 3 instrumental versions of them, as well (so a total of 6 tracks).

GnR management found out about it, told Trunk not to play it again, had it stripped out of the rebroadcasts/sydicated broadcasts, and basically had every copy of the tape rounded up and destroyed or locked up.

Flash forward to April of '05, and we have the "yucky" version of IRS leaking. It was speculated this came from the Trunk radio broadcast, but...well, opinions differ.

Flash forward to now and IRS clean leaks, along with the clip of Better. The early speculation was they came from the same Trunk CD. Turns out...not true. Better was not on that CD.

I emailed Eddie this morning. He confirmed that "Better" was not on the Trunk CD.

So the source of this leak is different.

I have an email I'll forward off to madison and jarmo.

Leave Wes alone. Seriously. Or just fucking say thanks and walk on by.

Because of him (and Saint, and dark to some extent) you've got new shit from the band. End of story.

People need to learn some respect and not bite the hand that feeds, eh? People asked for a description of TWAT, since that's the one piece most people haven't heard. He gave it. Lay off.

You got a piece of the pie. Be happy with that and say thanks to the guy who gave you a slice.

Edit: Oh, and BTW, thanks wes, saint, and dark. Mad props and all that.

I originally posted this at HTGTH but wanted to transplant it here:

To expound on Lisa's analogy:

This is more like someone promising an 8 year old a new bike for Christmas, over the years dropping cryptic "hints" that THIS Christmas might actually be the year....til the kid is 20. You'll have to excuse the poor kid, whether the bike is really imminently arriving or not, for taking a free tire from the guy down the block. And then bragging to all his friends about the shiny new kick ass tire he just got.

We've been patient. More patient, I dare say, than just about any other fanbase in the world. And what has that patience gotten us, really? Silence. Utter and complete blackout of meaningful information....left to concoct conspiracy theories and dissect interviews into semantic predictions.

I've got a suggestion for management and GnR: Wanna stop the leaks? Really? Maybe be a bit more communicative with the fans. That might inspire some semblance of "loyalty" amongst them so they'll listen to requests not to leak material or whatever. But asking the dog thats been beaten for 12 years to suddenly jump to your defense is probably expecting a bit much, eh?

Cool, thanks for the info pilferk

Hmmm, I wonder why Axl would tie up that many albums at once, especially when he knew his career was in a bit of a limbo at the time.

The situation was there was one more album due on the old contract. Axl wanted to renegoatiate because of the pretty big lineup changes and band uncertainty and Universal/Geffen/Interscope wanted, in return, a commitment for more material. So they negotiated a new contract that got them both what they wanted. Axl agreed to more material, the label agreed to more (maybe unlimited...who knows...but it sure seems like they were generous on the time front) time and money while Axl worked out the kinks.

That being said, any contract can be negotiated out of, provided both parties are willing.

Ah but Guns was a Monster for record sales, so why would a company be "willing" to let go one of their biggest draws?

So by your #'s 3 orig albums, 1 GH and 1 Live

UYI 1&2, GH, Live Era have been released on that contract, so that leaves one album left.

That being said, once CD is released, Guns may very well migrate to a new label, re: Sanctuary???

Or are you saying that The contract was signed after UYI's?

Nope, only Live Era and GH have been released on the current contract. UYI 1&2 predates it. They signed the new contract just before Oh My God, I think....back in '98 or '99.

Why let Guns go? Because you've sunk ungodly amounts of money into them for production and, if you can be assured of getting that, plus a bit more, back rather than risking (sales of new GnR material is an unknown) not getting it back...you might take it. If you do, you don't have to front the cost of promotion, distribution, packaging, and manufacturing/pressing. Granted, you also don't have the opportunity for a huge gain, either. But that's the point: it's all about how big the risk is, and how likely the return on investment is. If CD is a HUGE success, I'd say that GnR are pretty locked in for the next 2 records (which might, actually, be why Axl is working on all 3 at the same time). If not, and it's only moderately successful, or not commercially successful at all....well, you never know.

Now, I'm not saying that Geffen/Interscop/Universal has any desire to actually negotiate out of the contract. But you never know...

Pilferk what do you think of this idea?

Axl has been talked about 3 albums, right? Is it possible that CD will come out on Geffen and if that is the last album on GnR's Geffen contract then they move to Sanctuary as their Label? Cuz that could speed up the wait between the next albums and possibly be a reason for part of the delay? (Re, why they are working on 32 songs and not only 13) just an idea I had cuz of this thread.

Like maybe Merck doesn't really want Geffen to get all the record sales when Sanctuary could get a slice?

I THINK the contract they signed back in the late 90's called for 3 albums of original material, 1 GH, and 1 Live Album. I'm pretty sure that was it. That was really why Interscope won in the lawsuit Axl filed to stop GH. The album was contractually obligated.

That being said, any contract can be negotiated out of, provided both parties are willing.

Geffen is the record label and santuary is the management.

The deal Axl signed with Santuary was music publishing rights, so anything about lyrics or Music books Sanctuary gets dibbs, possibly a book as well? not sure what it encompasses. Apparent S&D weren't too happy about it.

All true. In addition, publishing rights groups manage the "use" of the music. So any music used for commericials, video games, movies, etc (or, at least, Axl's part of it) would be managed by Sanctuary's publishing arm.

CD will be a Universal Records Group/Interscope/Geffen release. They are still the label (AFAWK).

Supposedly, another official announcment from LiveNetworks today/tomorrow. I think it's the official word on Metallica (yes, I know they're already listed everywhere...but I don't think they've sent out the official PR yet), Korn, and, possibly, Deftones...not anything about GnR...but we'll have to wait and see.

Also, the post referenced in the article above is here:

http://forums.queenonline.com/viewtopic.ph...t=guns&start=15

Axl's "driver" (or the person they credited with being his driver) may very well have been Earl.

And we all know Axl would trust Earl with just about anything....

Someone posted here recently that Earl is now Tommy Lee's bodyguard. He saw them together in a hotel this week.

Why are people so surprised that Axl would have the CD with him. He was in NY. His manager is in NY. Put 2 and 2 together.

As far as leaving it in the car, maybe he didn't have any pockets he could stick it in...

Really? Earl left Axl? Hell, that's 100x more interesting than Heather leaving Richie or Jessica leaving Nick!

As someone else mentioned...it could also have been Fernando.

Axl, as a lark,

WTF

"as a lark" = "as a joke"

Axl, as a lark, should issue a press release saying that Libertad, by VR, is going to be released on April 1st. And go on to say that, after all these years, he's interested in hearing Slash's idea of a "concept album".

I'd laugh my ass off.

Hey...he played it (or pieces of it) in a strip club in Vegas awhile back. Why not at all hours of the morning in a bar?

Was that ever confirmed. Or is that just speculation the same way this time is?

Sanctuary confirmed it as being true, at the time (in various press articles).

Mysteron confirmed it (coming from management) at the time.

MTV reported it as confirmed, at the time.

So I guess it was as "confirmed" as any GnR story has been.

Or do you think it's all to piss off Axl? Just so Slash can then point and say "Oh, he delayed it again, what a fuck up"?

exactly

Really? You think so?

Because I honestly can't understand why anyone would be that fucking juvenile. That's something you'd do in High School. These are grown men. Slash is successfull, has kids, and, generally, should know better. I can't think he'd risk his repuatation and credibility on something this inconsequential (to him) just to bite Axl in the ass. Maybe he would...I mean, I don't know the guy personally, but I'd like to think better of him.

I suspect that Slash really believes what he's saying and is not being disingenious. I also suspect he's wrong. Very wrong. But I guess only time will tell.

Hey...he played it (or pieces of it) in a strip club in Vegas awhile back. Why not at all hours of the morning in a bar?

What a shitstorm.

That's what Slash wanted...

To what end?

Seriously. Because all it does is make him look like an idiot when it turns out he's wrong.

Or do you think it's all to piss off Axl? Just so Slash can then point and say "Oh, he delayed it again, what a fuck up"?

Slash really needs to learn to hold his tongue on stuff like this....

What a shitstorm.

Axl's "driver" (or the person they credited with being his driver) may very well have been Earl.

And we all know Axl would trust Earl with just about anything....

To those wondering...all flights out of JFK, LaGuardia, Newark, Bradley (up in CT...Axl has/had family up in Granby, CT...at least according to what he said at one of the Hartford shows) were grounded and the airports closed sometime between 3 PM (Newark and LeGuardia) and 6:30 PM (Bradley) on Saturday and remained closed until Sunday. In addition, many earlier flights were cancelled because airlines did not want to either strand passengers in the blizzard or get their planes stranded on the ground.

In addition, IF Axl was planning on staying through the weekend, but, because of the storm, tried to change his travel arrangements...he was most likely out of luck. There were so many people trying to do so that his chances (celebrity or not) were not great at grabbing a seat.

What's the point in playing the album to a bunch of half cut strippers. Release this bitch already.

Thats a good point. If he doesnt make a release date announcement in the next couple months, us fans are gonna have to make some drastic choices.

Yeah, we're all gonna have to decide if making a career change, and becoming strippers, is worth the chance to hear CD.

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