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This.
Plus, I've never gotten to hear them.
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If you check out Izzy's solo stuff, some of his songs are really good - they just...like... like something. Although I'm not sure what bits Axl added to Izzy's songs as far as lyrics or melody hooks, or what exactly Slash added with guitars on every song, I know sometimes is solo songs only feel like 3/4 complete. That's just my take. But if you took away that 3/4, then it really would be hard to make up for it!
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I must have missed the hammers thing!
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I looked for Use Your Illusion III and IV 10 years after the fact. Haha.
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Also GN'R ringtones were Slash's idea. GN'R ringtones in 1990-1994?
Yup, that was the stopper for me.
really?
I don't think you understood that part.
I don't think it's real, but obviously this is about a GNR Music thing that they all had to agree to that Slash went after.
That would be fine, but the phones in late 80s early 90s weren't sporting ringtones yet or even the concept to my early recollection.
DUDE.
I'm not talking about the 80's or 90's.
I'm talking about now.
GNR Music - Slash, Duff, Axl, - each have to agree on licensing and uses of their music and recordings. You know how GNR songs were in the guitar hero games? They all had to sign off on that. Not just Axl. At some point in the last few years Slash wanted to allow GNR songs as ring tones. So he told the GNR Music partners - through reps, I'm sure - that they should agree and sign off on these license deals because it would make money. Eventually they agreed. GNR Music - in the 2000's and today - still have mutual business interests, and have in the past, acted together (suing over Greatest Hits). They might not have talked but they probably worked through intermediaries. GNR music in movies? GNR Music has to sign off on that. In fact Slash and Duff at one point sued (for one reason) because Axl was costing them money by not agreeing to as many lucrative music use deals they would
Example:
2004-
Slash reads something about ring tones using real songs.
Slash asks his lawer/manager/agent to figure out how to get a deal.
Slash has his rep forward the deal details to GNR Music partners Axl and Duff.
Duff: uh, okay. ->Duff's rep says 'okay'
Axl: ...really? this seems stupid. ->Axl's rep says 'Not convinced this is worthwhile blah blah blah'
Slash: no, it's a good idea, everyone's doing it, come on, do it. you fucked up all these other things with these movies ->Slash's rep says 'it's good idea, here's what it would mean, here's why it's good, partners are not happy of your continued refusals'
Axl: okay, fine. -> Axl's rep says 'Okay, fine'
Contracts sent and signed.
First check is cashed. Everyone happy. Axl buys a painting. Slash buys a snake. Duff goes to GuitarCenter.
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Also GN'R ringtones were Slash's idea. GN'R ringtones in 1990-1994?
Yup, that was the stopper for me.
really?
I don't think you understood that part.
I don't think it's real, but obviously this is about a GNR Music thing that they all had to agree to that Slash went after.
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LOL. 1993, not 1995.
No, nothing will happen. Except the show.
Numerology has never turned out well for GNR fans. Anyone remember GNFR riddles? Haha.
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It's funny how much Axl says he hated the book.
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Someday.
If Pink Floyd can release DSOTM alternate mixes and release several version of The Wall demos, and agree to that, after all the issues they had, then there's hope to have these released when Axl is 65.
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Also GN'R ringtones were Slash's idea. GN'R ringtones in 1990-1994?
If true:
Slash wanted GNR Music - the partnership - to get on the ringtone band wagon. There's probably dozens of issues Duff, Slash, and Axl have brought to them every year regarding the GNR back catalog. They don't even have to really talk -just lawyers, representatives, and emails - and cashing checks.
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In general, I think you're right.
They've been pretty active since 09, hitting all the major touring seasons, and especially this last year. "Prove them wrong". I don't know if he's really wanting to buy out the contract or the masters, or build capital, but I DO THINK the only way to get an album out someday is do anything BUT "play Axis and Allies over the phone". People want an album, well, the best thing right now for that to happen is the band playing dates...and not cancelling, and the best way to build reputation with promoters and even the general fanbase is to do shows and not cancel. Showing up before 9, well, goodluck. But really.... they've come a long way since cancelling the 2002 tour.
I'm *guessing* the Vegas shows will gross between 3.5 and 4 million. I don't know how much that means as far as net income or what bonuses they might be getting.
But it keeps the band going. Momentum.
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^nice post. kind of a valentine, ya know?
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Probably on at 11:30.
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Opener? Maybe the band they had for Vegas last time. They were a band from Vegas. They also did other shows in 2011 with GNR.
Don't remember the name. Annoying lead singer, really cool guitarists.
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...no, if hardcore fan is a fan who frequents forums and has followed GNR since 1996, then no-
Because GNR has been a blankslate for people to write their hopes and dreams on, something they could write a big wish-list on, something they could pin all their hopes and dreams for finding fulfillment, satisfaction, and belonging as far as music and entertainment is concerned.
With customized expectations like that, no one can be satisfied. Chinese Democracy couldn't be satisfying for the same reasons.
GNR could be anything you imagined, as long as they weren't doing anything.
Chinese could be anything you imagined, as long as you never heard it (or could suspend disbelief if you didn't like the leaks).
People do this with politicians, too.
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Izzy quit, Steven was fired. At that point they had to form a new GNR Music partnership consisting of the 3 of them, because the old partnership was no longer valid (because principals were gone). This is also tied to the renegotiating of the record deal and Axl securing the name (that he kept it, no matter what happened to the others, IE: Slash's family or Duff's family wouldn't sue him for it if either of them died, or that Slash and Duff couldn't fire Axl and continue on with the name.
There was some disagreement on whether or not Axl had left GNR Music, or what that meant that he "left" (no longer working under the partnership vs. giving up voting rights as an owner).
I don't have the PDF lawsuit documents anymore. I wish we had copies of the depositions!
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Wait, so if I pay money to go to a bar and watch a cover band, wouldn't that band have to pay royalties to the bands who wrote the songs? Obviously their cut from a bar crowd watching a cover band would be too small to bother collecting but if a band playing songs live have to pay some royalty to the writers of the song wouldn't the bar example be the same thing?
Again - the band/performer doesn't pay ANYTHING as far as rights or permissions or fees to perform anything live. The venue pays. The business paying them pays.
Each year the venue pays ASCAP and BMI and whoever else has their fingers in the pie the fee to have copyrighted music recordings played publicly and copyrighted music performed publicly. The venue pays.
The venue pays based on the type of venue, size, and even how frequently it has shows. For bars you're looking at 5 dollars a head. 200 person capacity and live music? 1,000 dollars. Will you have a cover charge? An extra 1.89 per head. It's even like 160 dollars a year to ASCAP for a jukebox.
"Too small to bother collecting" - uh, what planet do you live on? NO BILL is too small to collect. They even have a fee schedule for circuses and cheerleading competitions. It's all about aggregate.
Your 9.99 monthly bill to Netflix isn't much, but when you have a few million people doing that, it adds up, right?
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It's about time that Steven, Slash, Izzy and Duff start a lawsuit against Axl to stop him using/butchering the classic songs.
Beleive it or not, they make money off of Axl playing the songs live. At least if they're credited as a songwriter on the particular song.
They don't make money when they are played live. I think the only way they get a cut is if a song is used in a movie, commercial, video game etc....
This is why Axl wanted the re-recorded Jungle for Blackhawk Down.
Yes, yes they do. A small amount, but they do. Everytime it's played anywhere they get a check. Even people who write church songs get checks for what is played at church. Every venue pays a fee and through reporting, that fee is eventually channeled down to the writers.
They may get a small percentage from the venue licensing fees, if the venue uploads the set lists to ASAP, BMI or SESAC; but they don't have to do it and have no reason to do it unless they are already paying a licence fee to the aforementioned organizations.
An artist or group can play anything they want live and pay nothing, unless it is recorded; filmed and released commercially.
ASCAP and BMI actively pursue venues and businesses that don't pay fees. They peruse or threaten litigation against places that don't.
Each year they take a sample of their customers and yes, the customers have to report what gets played. From that sample they extrapolate and distribute the money.
Yes, they can play anything they want. The venue has the responsibility for paying for the license.
Obviously the stadiums and arenas and venues GNR plays pays the license. And if they are supposed to be reporting that year, then, yes, they're going to report back what was played...including the before show mix-CD.
I don't understand what your point is.
The point is you're wrong, for reasons that have been brought to your attention. Slash et al aren't picking up money for anything that isn't released commercially.
The church songs thing was the most puzzling example you could choose, as most hymns were written eons and eons ago.
Back to the lawsuit, it looks like the more ridiculous things were tossed and it comes down to whether Activision's deal with GNR Music superceds Axl's "But I hate Slash" precedent.
The point is you're wrong.
Uh, most churches aren't playing songs written eons ago. Most have some form of contemporary music. Even the *most* traditional churches have modern arrangements which would be copyrighted. The arrangements mean everything to choral music. Everybody pays the piper.
ASCAP and BMI write checks to their members, which would include the various proxies for GNR Music and the others, based on extrapolations from a survey. Every time it's on the radio, every time it's played at a football game, every time it's played on a jukebox, every time a bar band plays it, everytime a country music star covers a GNR song, every time Slash plays GNR music, every time Axl plays GNR music, every time. Even when a bar or a venue doesn't play GNR (or Lady Gaga), money goes GNR's (or Lady Gaga's) way - because it's paid out based on extrapolating the survey. The venue plays a flat fee based on size and ASCAP and BMI sort the rest out. It's not much, but it adds up. Axl gave Steven some of his publishing, which over the years probably cost him millions.
The performer doesn't pay, the venue/place of business does. It's a cost of doing business.
Anyway- good for Axl, if Activision lied to him, then go for it.
GNR Music = Axl, Slash, Duff, if I recall.
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It's about time that Steven, Slash, Izzy and Duff start a lawsuit against Axl to stop him using/butchering the classic songs.
Beleive it or not, they make money off of Axl playing the songs live. At least if they're credited as a songwriter on the particular song.
They don't make money when they are played live. I think the only way they get a cut is if a song is used in a movie, commercial, video game etc....
This is why Axl wanted the re-recorded Jungle for Blackhawk Down.
Yes, yes they do. A small amount, but they do. Everytime it's played anywhere they get a check. Even people who write church songs get checks for what is played at church. Every venue pays a fee and through reporting, that fee is eventually channeled down to the writers.
They may get a small percentage from the venue licensing fees, if the venue uploads the set lists to ASAP, BMI or SESAC; but they don't have to do it and have no reason to do it unless they are already paying a licence fee to the aforementioned organizations.
An artist or group can play anything they want live and pay nothing, unless it is recorded; filmed and released commercially.
ASCAP and BMI actively pursue venues and businesses that don't pay fees. They peruse or threaten litigation against places that don't.
Each year they take a sample of their customers and yes, the customers have to report what gets played. From that sample they extrapolate and distribute the money.
Yes, they can play anything they want. The venue has the responsibility for paying for the license.
Obviously the stadiums and arenas and venues GNR plays pays the license. And if they are supposed to be reporting that year, then, yes, they're going to report back what was played...including the before show mix-CD.
I don't understand what your point is.
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It's about time that Steven, Slash, Izzy and Duff start a lawsuit against Axl to stop him using/butchering the classic songs.
Beleive it or not, they make money off of Axl playing the songs live. At least if they're credited as a songwriter on the particular song.
They don't make money when they are played live. I think the only way they get a cut is if a song is used in a movie, commercial, video game etc....
This is why Axl wanted the re-recorded Jungle for Blackhawk Down.
Yes, yes they do. A small amount, but they do. Everytime it's played anywhere they get a check. Even people who write church songs get checks for what is played at church. Every venue pays a fee and through reporting, that fee is eventually channeled down to the writers.
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The only thing that really sucks is that when the world is watching e.g. MTV 2002 and Rio 2011 he seems to try extra hard to look like he's totally lost it then goes off to Scandinavia and goes demonic again. Go figure. At least we've got loads of great quality 2010 boots to enjoy.
Hah, good point.
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I don't know how Vegas works.
(correct me i'm wrong)
To me Vegas is a famous strip in the middle of a desert, the roads in and out L - O - N - G - !
It's a magnet for tourists wanting to gameble in hope of winning BIG, of which few do.
I watched Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas only the other night, crazy crazy film, I loved it!
Where does Guns N'Roses fit in ? will casual passers by buy a ticket to see them ? - I have no idea.
How many fans of this new line up will bother to travel to Las Vagas to see Axl and the rest of'em ?
Las Vegas is fill of prostitutes, maybe Axl's looking to get lucky.
Slash could always dress up as a ghost or something and sneak in
Well, no, passers by not really.
People book trips to Vegas, all days, all weeks, all months, 24/7, 365. It never closes. It never sleeps. It never stops.
There's casinos on the strip and off the strip. Each one tries to be bigger and better than the one that came before it. Since gambling is gambling, they try to attract people using all kinds of things. One of those things is entertainment.
So now, for instance, if you're planning on going to Vegas this year, you see that GNR is at the Hard Rock. Out of the dozens of choices you have, you go there, and you book it that weekend. You buy a ticket, but more importantly, you're buying 200 or 300 dollar a night rooms, you're buying 20 - 100 dollar a plate food, and you're gambling away a few hundred dollars. And you'll be happy to do it. People already on their Vegas trips might see the advertising and leave their hotel-casino for an evening and gamble at the Hard Rock before the show.
Casinos constantly have entertainment and attractions to draw people in.
Dude.....WHAT!!?? What happened to the all-you-can-eat steak and lobster for like....5 bucks??
Ain't like that at the Hard Rock.
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I think he lost shit loads of weight in 2 weeks. I also believe that he is recording cd vocals now due to all the booze he's drinking cause that is giving him more rasp.
A third thing I believe is that his voice was fairly weak during the last tour cause he was tired after recording cd vocals.
Have a nice day everyone!
No, that's not how you sing with rasp.
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I don't know how Vegas works.
(correct me i'm wrong)
To me Vegas is a famous strip in the middle of a desert, the roads in and out L - O - N - G - !
It's a magnet for tourists wanting to gameble in hope of winning BIG, of which few do.
I watched Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas only the other night, crazy crazy film, I loved it!
Where does Guns N'Roses fit in ? will casual passers by buy a ticket to see them ? - I have no idea.
How many fans of this new line up will bother to travel to Las Vagas to see Axl and the rest of'em ?
Las Vegas is fill of prostitutes, maybe Axl's looking to get lucky.
Slash could always dress up as a ghost or something and sneak in
Well, no, passers by not really.
People book trips to Vegas, all days, all weeks, all months, 24/7, 365. It never closes. It never sleeps. It never stops.
There's casinos on the strip and off the strip. Each one tries to be bigger and better than the one that came before it. Since gambling is gambling, they try to attract people using all kinds of things. One of those things is entertainment.
So now, for instance, if you're planning on going to Vegas this year, you see that GNR is at the Hard Rock. Out of the dozens of choices you have, you go there, and you book it that weekend. You buy a ticket, but more importantly, you're buying 200 or 300 dollar a night rooms, you're buying 20 - 100 dollar a plate food, and you're gambling away a few hundred dollars. And you'll be happy to do it. People already on their Vegas trips might see the advertising and leave their hotel-casino for an evening and gamble at the Hard Rock before the show. Casinos constantly have entertainment and attractions to draw people in.
The casino will probably even comp people free tickets after they just spent 3 hours losing 500 bucks at a table. Or even if they're up a few hundred...that way they'll stay long enough for the casino to take it all back.
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^That's so stupid, I can't even begin to describe it. You have better discussion by flushing MORONIC people out, not by dictating what can and cannot be discussed, or allowing only positive things and exiling critical and controversial viewpoints. It's the POEPLE, not the TOPIC or the DISCUSSION. It's the POSTERS, not the POST.
Like-minded, non-controversial, and non-confrontational discussion is, after all, the most engaging kind of communication. Haha. ....ha...............
If you could 'Mix and Match' members. What would be your ultimate GN'R lineup.
in 2012
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This was a magical show.