neon2002

As I reprted here on the board a few weeks ago Sunrise told me Dec 5th. I was told that this was the date the record had been pushed back to.

Okay that would make sense with what Sunrise was telling me.

the most annoying thing on this website is people judging others by their post count. some 18 year old with 10,000 posts looking down on a 30 year 'original' fan with 10 posts........

the same teenager who in 5 years will have 'grown up' and probably laugh at how they spent all day on gnr boards convincing themselves that this is their lifes passion.

yeah it's been said before, many times by many people but it doesn't sink in, i guess newbies come in all shapes and forms.

(not directed at anyone in particular.....just a rant from a pissed off dog)

Right On! - 15 year Veteran of GnR here.

Going on 5

Which does not make me less of a fan, just younger, fresher, HOTTER.. You get the picture :xmasssanta: :xmassrudolph:

16 Years for me...

GN'R is MUCH better than Maiden

Everyone is better than Iron Maiden...

As I reprted here on the board a few weeks ago Sunrise told me Dec 5th. I was told that this was the date the record had been pushed back to.

I hope it's true!

I agree with that Bromle.

BUt I also think a a fan with 100 posts can and often are a bigger fan that one with 10 000 posts

I know. But more often then not. They seems pritty fresh. And talk with big words. With passion that a true GNR fan has lost long ago.

But everyone is a newb sometime. And some of then are diehard fans that has been waiting for years. Those are not the ones I was talking about

And don't forget that a lot of us came over here from HTGTH recently once Jarmo started banning topics and users...

I called my local Sunrise Records & HMV and neither has a release date.

HMV did say that it MIGHT be coming out closer to Christmas time and to call back in a week to check.

Okay I went to pick up some tickets @ Sunrise Records (different location than I called earlier) today and while I was there I asked about a release date for CD. The girl tried to look it up in the system (they use All Music Guide) but it was really slow so she was having a hard time getting in. She said that she knows that it Definitely will be out Before Christmas. Her co-worker was standing beside her and he said that it was supposed to be out sooner but it got pushed back but he also said that it will Definitely be out Before Christmas.

Take it for what it's worth.

Has anyone else heard anything similar to this???

anyone have a confirmed release date on this?!?!

There is no release date yet, its supposed to come out on any Tuesday from today to the last Tuesday of the year. there were rumors that it was gonna come out today Tuesday, Nov 21st but i doubt it will. it was also said that it may just come out without a release date, as if you just walked into the "music store" and found it there.

http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/inde...ase-date-maybe/

We should all be emailing Rolling Stone and telling them to fuck off for getting our hopes up.

Not to mention that they also had this article:

http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/inde...ocracy-tidbits/

So when you add that to this:

http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/inde...ease-date-maybe

That should equal 2 Ass Kickings!

Rollingstone:

It is in the RS issue with the Congress cartoons on the front.

Thanks! Would you happen to know what the date is on that one? (The one that I have is dated October 19th & has Fergie on the cover)

How often does RS come out? Every 2 weeks?

It is in the RS issue with the Congress cartoons on the front.

Thanks! Would you happen to know what the date is on that one? (The one that I have is dated October 19th & has Fergie on the cover)

How often does RS come out? Every 2 weeks?

Nevermind I found it. It's the: November 2, 2006- Issue No. 1012

https://m1.buysub.com/webapp/wcs/stores/ser...1&langId=-1

Okay I picked up this issue of Rolling Stone and the article is in it but from what I can see it doesn't say anything more than the internet:

http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/inde...ocracy-tidbits/

Even though the online article says that there is more info in the magazine...

Rolling Stone needs an ASS Kicking!!!

I called my local Sunrise Records & HMV and neither has a release date.

HMV did say that it MIGHT be coming out closer to Christmas time and to call back in a week to check.

Okay I went to pick up some tickets @ Sunrise Records (different location than I called earlier) today and while I was there I asked about a release date for CD. The girl tried to look it up in the system (they use All Music Guide) but it was really slow so she was having a hard time getting in. She said that she knows that it Definitely will be out Before Christmas. Her co-worker was standing beside her and he said that it was supposed to be out sooner but it got pushed back but he also said that it will Definitely be out Before Christmas.

Take it for what it's worth.

I think people are getting upset because they are tired of being strung along. All they have to say is" We really don't know when the CD is coming out". Don't promise a time frame, don't lead people on with false hope. We are a forgiving bunch. We must be, we're Axl fans. But be honest with us. We don't ask much.

It would seem so:

http://www.mygnrforum.com/index.php?showtopic=83734

I called my local Sunrise Records & HMV and neither has a release date.

HMV did say that it MIGHT be coming out closer to Christmas time and to call back in a week to check.

It seems this year has proven to be the most exciting year for Gn'R fans in over a decade. Yes, the album has been due for years but will all the activity and statements, it really feels/felt like this is the year. IF, IF 2006 ends and the promises are not delivered, will this be it for you? This is the most riled up I've seen the members here ever and the atmosphere gets worse with every Tuesday that passed. I think it could be devastating if they don't deliver.

Yes. 2006 is it for me:

http://www.mygnrforum.com/index.php?showtopic=83734

Joshua Ostroff, Citizen Special

Published: Thursday, November 16, 2006

"I won't be told anymore/That I've been brought down in this storm/And left so far out from the shore/That I can't find my way back, my way anymore."

from Madagascar, a song on Chinese Democracy

- - -

Axl Rose may not want to hear it, but fans and haters alike have long wondered how lost one must be to need nine years and $13 million to record a comeback album.

Though a few tracks have leaked over the years -- the sprawling epic Madagascar first surfaced in 2002 -- the actual release of Guns N' Roses' Chinese Democracy seemed about as likely as, well, Chinese democracy.

Nearly every year since 1999, when the radically revamped GN'R, with Axl as its lone original member, sold its industrial track Oh My God to Arnold Schwarzenegger's End of Days soundtrack, there have been promises made, but no records delivered.

As Axl became a Howard Hughes-like recluse, running through hired guns and record producers while obsessively rewriting his alleged opus, it became rock'n'roll's greatest running joke.

The Offspring once threatened to name their 2003 album Chinese Democracy, with lead singer Dexter Holland deadpanning: "You snooze, you lose. Axl ripped off my braids, so I ripped off his album title."

This past spring, Spin magazine ran a lengthy review of Chinese Democracy. Was Axl's long-awaited album at hand? After all, pirates had recently loosed three studio songs -- IRS, Better and There Was A Time -- into the wilds of the Internet. But after giggling over the review -- "If you purchased a kitten on the day that Use Your Illusion I & II arrived in stores, it's probably dead by now" -- astute readers noticed the dateline: April 1st. Nuts.

But Gunner news kept coming. Radio stations played the leaked demos, Axl sued Slash over royalties, feuded with Scott Weiland (the singer now fronting Axl's former bandmates in the exceedingly bland Velvet Revolver) and even performed concerts, starting in New York, before headlining Euro festivals and eventually embarking on the North American tour that comes to Scotiabank Place tomorrow.

But since the aging Axl is essentially fronting a GN'R cover band -- admittedly staffed with top-notch talent from Nine Inch Nails, the Replacements and Psychedelic Furs --why does anyone still give a damn?

Of course, better questions might be: Why did readers of ElleGirl magazine vote Axl the "coolest old person"? Or why is YouTube flooded with homemade music videos of those Chinese Democracy demos? Or why do teens wear Guns N' Roses T-shirts without irony when most weren't even born when Appetite For Destruction first rocked the charts?

See, the original Guns N' Roses represent the sex, drugs, and rock'n'roll myth better than any band since, and their early recordings remain electrifyingly vital. Two decades later, Axl's sneering threat to bring you to your "n-n-n-n-knees" still sounds bloody dangerous, especially compared to modern rockers like the Killers.

Sure, GN'R didn't have the "cool" cachet of Nirvana -- in fact, Kurt Cobain publicly mocked Axl -- but Guns did just as much to end hair metal by so resoundingly out-rocking the likes of Poison and Whitesnake.

GN'R took metal and made it heavy again, but with a bluesy swagger and barrels of grit and sleaze and slam-danceable ugliness.

This was the white-trash version of gangsta rappers NWA, and they were equally angry at the world. There was no silly make-up, no sappy power ballads and definitely no more Mr. Nice Axl.

I was in Grade 7 or 8 when Appetite was climbing the charts, and the copy I dubbed off my sister rarely left my yellow Sports Walkman. At that age I didn't realize Mr. Brownstone was about heroin, though it certainly made sense that Paradise City would be "where the girls are pretty."

But I began learning about the band's origins. How Axl was a self-made rock star who left small-town Indiana, where he was beaten by his step-dad and assorted local rednecks, to find fame, fortune and females on the Sunset Strip alongside his childhood friend/rhythm guitarist Izzy Stradlin. Or how the bands Hollywood Rose and L.A. Guns amalgamated and eventually included bassist Duff McKagan, drummer Steven Adler and Slash, one of rock's all-time guitar gods.

I may not have known why they sounded so good -- that would be their addition of raw punk ferocity to the glam-metal of the day -- but I could tell Guns was a band in the midst of creating its own legend.

As Appetite became the biggest-selling debut album ever and was joined on the charts by their quickie EP GN'R Lies, the band became inescapable. There was that unforgettable riff on Sweet Child O' Mine, the whistling intro to Patience, the stories of trashed hotel rooms and trampled concertgoers and charges of drug abuse, racism, homophobia and misogyny.

Years of indulgence manifested in the bombast of their over-ambitious 1991 double-shot Use Your Illusion I and II, which debuted on Billboard's top two spots and included hard-rockers like You Could Be Mine alongside blissfully bloated epics like November Rain.

They launched an equally epic 28-month tour, and I waited in line all night to get tickets for the Vancouver show. Unfortunately, this proved my first opportunity to be disappointed by Axl's antics when the infamous Montreal riot delayed the concert.

Instead of Metallica and Faith No More opening, we got saddled with ex-Queen guitarist Brian May.

Still, it was a pivotal moment of my teen years. Too young to drink or drive, we put on our finest ripped jeans and hired a limo from the suburbs to the Coliseum so we could down Budweisers en route. It could have been the beer buzz, but GN'R put on the most fiery stadium show I've ever seen.

Which is a lot more than could be said for their last stadium go-round in 2002, cut short after a riot in Vancouver, but not before I witnessed a puffy Axl straining his screech while appearing to read lyrics off a TelePrompTer in Toronto's Skydome.

Chinese Democracy may actually come out this year, and even prove to be great, Axl appears slimmed-down and energized and this tour has been getting better reviews than their last outing, but it doesn't really matter what Axl or even Velvet Revolver do nowadays.

Guns N' Roses' legacy is sound, because all these years later it remains absolutely physically impossible to hear Welcome to the Jungle without turning it up to 11.

Guns N' Roses play Scotiabank Place tomorrow. Tickets & times, www.capitaltickets.ca.

© The Ottawa Citizen 2006

http://www.canada.com/cityguides/ottawa/st...2a3&k=26070

Just wondering how many of you will be pissed and leave the message boards and stop looking at GnR news if C.D. doesn't get released this year as promised? I, for one, would continue to be a GnR servant. In the past I have pledged not to, but...I always come back, pathetic but it's an addiction.

Funny I posted a Poll on this the other day:

http://www.mygnrforum.com/index.php?showtopic=83734

Yeah, but you're a Bruins fan, so you don't count...Go HABS Go. Just kidding. Sorry I didn't see your poll. Good results...I would think most of us would stay with them anyway.

Could be worse I could be a leaf or hab fan...

Just wondering how many of you will be pissed and leave the message boards and stop looking at GnR news if C.D. doesn't get released this year as promised? I, for one, would continue to be a GnR servant. In the past I have pledged not to, but...I always come back, pathetic but it's an addiction.

Funny I posted a Poll on this the other day:

http://www.mygnrforum.com/index.php?showtopic=83734

will there be more of this :xmasssanta:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=zzy_bwyP9pY&amp...ted&search=

No there will just be a lot less GN'R fans if CD isn't out in 2006. (and I'll be one of them)

It is in the RS issue with the Congress cartoons on the front.

Thanks! Would you happen to know what the date is on that one? (The one that I have is dated October 19th & has Fergie on the cover)

How often does RS come out? Every 2 weeks?

It is in the RS issue with the Congress cartoons on the front.

Thanks! Would you happen to know what the date is on that one? (The one that I have is dated October 19th & has Fergie on the cover)

How often does RS come out? Every 2 weeks?

Nevermind I found it. It's the: November 2, 2006- Issue No. 1012

https://m1.buysub.com/webapp/wcs/stores/ser...1&langId=-1

Okay I picked up this issue of Rolling Stone and the article is in it but from what I can see it doesn't say anything more than the internet:

http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/inde...ocracy-tidbits/

Even though the online article says that there is more info in the magazine...

Billboard Review:

November 01, 2006,

Guns N' Roses Rocks, Infuriates In Jacksonville

Jeff Vrabel, Jacksonville, Fla.

Even on a sticky Halloween night in Florida, with much of the crowd in costume and spooky holiday decor swinging from the rafters, nothing could quite out-weird the main spectacle: watching 1/8th of Guns N' Roses perform a batch of 20-year-old smashes -- as well as a few from a record originally slated for release during the first Clinton administration -- in front of, among other things, a large and inflatable Homer Simpson balloon.

Welcome to the jungle, kids. We've got fun and games.

Or, more accurately, welcome to whatever this is. Well, what do you call this ragged Frankenstein's monster of a band these days: GNR of the 21st Century? Guns Minus Everyone But Axl? The GNR Experience Feat. Mr. Rose And His Band Of Merry Pranksters? Or, in a time when nostalgia rock is about the only safe bet, when Queen can tour without Freddie and half of the Who is one of the biggest games in town, is 2006 Guns N' Roses merely another case of Hardly Authentic But Good Enough?

Needless to say, one puts up with a lot in catching the remnants of GNR these days (to be fair, it's actually 1/4th of the classic lineup, if you count keyboardist Dizzy Reed). There's the wacky stage time (a classically Rose-ian midnight on a Tuesday), the wearying wait for an alleged new record and the small matter of all the Guns exiles who don't come around anymore.

But maybe the strangest thing is that for all its some-assembly-required vibe, Rose's band knows how to tear up an arena show. Sure, these are hired hands, and Slash would be pleased to know that Rose requires three guitarists to replace/recreate him: ex NIN-ster Robin Finck, now a dead ringer for Matisyahu; journeyman Richard Fortus; and, replacing Buckethead, Ron Thal, who goes by Bumblefoot. You can't make this stuff up. But these guys bring the noise.

Moreover, Rose, impossibly, frustratingly, remains as galvanizingly watchable a frontman as you're likely to find anywhere. The charisma? Enviably intact. The vocals? Strained, but often thrilling. The drive is back, too -- sometime between Guns' aborted 2002 run and today, Rose relocated his give-a-damn, and he prowls the stage with an intensity and ambition that sometimes outweighs his reach, but is crazy to witness. When he's on and his voice is doing age-defying triple salchows on "Welcome to the Jungle" and "It's So Easy," he's cornrowed lightning.

And for about half of the two-hour set, that's all you really need. Tracks like "Jungle," "Mr. Brownstone" and even "Live and Let Die" are meteor impacts -- so much so, in fact, that Rose adhered almost exclusively to songs from about 1987. This night, he was solely interested in the most glorious of the glory days, bringing out the big, boozy, misogynistic WMDs from "Appetite" ("Nightrain," "Out Ta Get Me," "My Michelle") -- and only invited songs from the "Use Your Illusion" discs that originated in the "Appetite" era, like "November Rain" and "You Could Be Mine." He's consciously blacking out a decent chunk of catalog here.

But all the grand setup leads into a weird payoff. Because after a massive opening salvo, reality begins to creep in with "Better," allegedly the first single from the new album (the expensive-looking Eastern backdrop indicated Rose remains apparently serious about this "Chinese Democracy" thing). Chunky riffs aside, "Better," charitably speaking, ain't no "Brownstone." And due to lots of things -- that inhospitable stage time (for which a smirking Rose denied credit), his penchant for vanishing from the stage for long stretches (though it added to his enigmatic legacy, one begins to wonder if he's really up to this) and pacing issues, the show begins to grow cold and distant, despite the valiant efforts of its frontman.

Oh, and this keeps coming up, too: Who the hell are these people?

Rose's minions are dressed like a ragtag pomo art outfit: keyboardist Chris Pittman's in an ivory-white suit, Tommy Stinson rocks plaid pants, and Bumblefoot has the name Bumblefoot. All have creative Tomorrowland haircuts (it was hard to tell what was a Halloween costume and what wasn't). But Rose has them faithfully recycle songs and solos as recorded by another guy 20 years ago. He takes great pains to project a vibe of forward-thinking, then consents to a jarring cameo by cornball Sebastian Bach, who in his opening set performs a song called "Love Is a Bitch Slap" to emphasize all you don't miss about buttless-chaps metal.

He adheres to a schedule of L.A. rock club ethics that doesn't so much apply in Jacksonville early in the week. And he grants all three guitarists interminable, momentum-killing solos; Fortus used his to jam on Christina Aguilera's "Beautiful," and you weren't sure what his intentions were, much like you're not sure what Rose's are.

Axl is capable of transcendent power: "Paradise City" seethed and roared, "You Could Be Mine" worked up a mighty head of steam and if there's a better way to open a rock show than with "Welcome to the Jungle," someone E-mail me about it. And Rose seemed to be alternately salivating at and resentful of the challenge of carrying this load on his shoulders.

But to what end? In the sense that anticipation is generally better than the experience (I'm looking at you, god-awful "Star Wars" prequels), the mystique of Rose's alleged "Democracy," if you're not bored of the entire episode in the first place, will spot-evaporate the day it's released. One wonders if Rose wouldn't be better served to leave it in the can until he's 60 and then bingo, it's "Smile."

In those glory days, Guns N' Roses was just about as good it got. But its hole card now is an album that might not exist, and once "Democracy" rises and falls, Guns N' Roses, which can now maintain a spooky sense of mystery, will be very likely trading the night train for the nostalgia train, whoever the hell's in it. But in the meantime, GNR still can rock your night, or early morning, with a primal power. Just bring a friend to help carry along the baggage.

Here is Guns N' Roses set list:

"Welcome To The Jungle"

"It's So Easy"

"Mr. Brownstone"

"Better"

Robin Finck solo

"Sweet Child O' Mine"

"Knockin' on Heaven's Door"

"You Could Be Mine"

Dizzy Reed solo

"The Blues"

Richard Fortus solo (includes "Beautiful")

"Out Ta Get Me"

"November Rain"

Bumblefoot solo (includes "Don't Cry")

"My Michelle" (with Sebastian Bach)

"Patience"

"Nightrain"

"Paradise City"

http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/reviews/liv...t_id=1003347238

Ive been listening to this song for a while now...and it is so awesome. just read the lyrics while you listen to it and it will hit you. some of the best lyrics axl has ever written....IMO.

I like it, but I don't know if I'd go as far as calling it great. Good Yes! Great no.

I doubt they would really do anything as "wacky" as play an audience request. Why would they wanna deviate from the setlist?

In Vegas they took a "request" for RQ. Which kinda surprised me since they had played it at other shows already, so I didn't see the big deal, but yeah, Axl announced it as an audience request. Of course people then were yelling out names of other songs, which were ignored.

Sorry, I meant something like take a request for a song that wasn't played regularly. Who the fuck would request RQ?? Try Estranged, Don't Cry, Dead Horse. The lack of Illusions material is really disturbing. I know I didn't pay $100 to hear AFD 2006.

Agreed! I Can understand why they don't want to play more songs off of CD until it's released but in the meantime I'd love to hear:

Estranged

Civil War

Don't Damn Me

Bad Apples

Move To The City

14 Years

Yesterdays

Coma!!!

I think that the only illusion songs that they're playing are Live & Let Die & Knockin' On Heavens Door - both of which they didn't write.

It is in the RS issue with the Congress cartoons on the front.

Thanks! Would you happen to know what the date is on that one? (The one that I have is dated October 19th & has Fergie on the cover)

How often does RS come out? Every 2 weeks?

It is in the RS issue with the Congress cartoons on the front.

Thanks! Would you happen to know what the date is on that one? (The one that I have is dated October 19th & has Fergie on the cover)

How often does RS come out? Every 2 weeks?

Nevermind I found it. It's the: November 2, 2006- Issue No. 1012

https://m1.buysub.com/webapp/wcs/stores/ser...1&langId=-1

Has anyone actually gotten this issue yet? The article on Rollingstone.com says it's merely a "preview" of the ish itself,so is there more to it,or just what we've already read? Also,is there a picture included?

Damn.I was also hoping for a review from the San Fransisco show Rolling Stone attended,but the only thing I saw was in the last issue (Fergie cover),with the small mention of "I Saw You At Guns N Roses".Ya know,the feature about fashion,concert wear,etc.

Well I picked up the October 19th issue of Rolling Stone (The one with Fergie from The Black Eyed Peas on the cover) and unless I’m blind this article is Not in the magazine. The only GN’R mention is some fashion piece about some guy wearing a GN’R T-Shirt.

What happened to the story? Do you think that it’s possible that Merck had it pulled? Is this why HTGTH was banning all talk of the article? The link still works:

http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/inde...ocracy-tidbits/

This sucks! Maybe the article will be in the next issue of Rolling Stone?

Hey, I'm as excited as you all that this Chinese Democracy really seems to be coming out soon, and the commercial is proof of that- that's the good part (even though the snips they play of Better don't show any changes to the song, which I thought still needed some work from the version leaked, but I digress...).

Maybe I am old school, but I feel like artists shouldn't just prostitute their work to sell products, and I was disapointed to see that this is the FIRST thing AXL did with the new material! I expect that from poptarts and rappers, and for Michael Jackson to piss off Beatles fans by selling their songs to commercials, but not Gn'R. And I know that Led Zep and the Who have both done it to, and to be honest, they disapointed me when they did it, but at least it was 30 years after their songs came out (though I still wish I didn't think of a car each time I hear "Bargain.").

Anyways, anyone agree with me here? I just think it is selling out to give new songs to commercials.

Pubes.

Yeah I don't like hearing "Real Songs" in commercials it's a Pet Peeve of mine. But it seems to be the way that things are now

Kinda disappointing we didn't hear the genuine article. But after listening to it I am glad because I don't want the final version to sound exactly like the demo. I've listened to the demo a bazillion times by now and this was definitely based on that - with some changes of course. But you can hear that the demo is the foundation of this version - to me there is no doubt about that.

I guess this also still means that we really haven't had official confirmation that Better is the first single. I mean, it sure seems like it will be. And it's a great comeback song for sure. But nothing has happened that proves it. The fact that Harley uses it is pretty good evidence, but remember that their actual website it didn't call the song a single. That was only in their source code, which most people will not see. Could be that they used the word single at first but then changed it when GN'R told them it would not in fact be the first single. Maybe Guns will promote two songs off of Chi Dem right away - Better on the HD ad and the first single (whatever it is).

All I'm saying is that I still think there's an outside chance Better isn't going to be the first single. It probably will be but you never know.

Thoughts?

They took "Better" off the "Black Sheep" commercial on the Harley Davidson site. It plays "Paradise City" now and says To Come Back Soon To Hear Better off of Chinese Democracy...

http://www.harley-davidson.com/wcm/Content...mp;locale=en_US

Better is being used in a TV ad...??

check the links:

http://strigl.wordpress.com/

Link:

http://www.harley-davidson.com/wcm/Content...sp?locale=en_US

(Sorry if it's already been posted)