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Yeah, let's add a song nobody will know or care about. That will get the stadium rocking!
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3 hours ago, Order of Nine said:
I think it will get some miles on mainstream radio
Wanna bet?
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What happened to this forum? Back in the day we used to share leaks and discuss them. Now a bunch of lame ass fans that hold onto stuff and won't let the die-hards hear stuff. What gives? This place was 100x cooler back in 2002-2008. Just saying.
Keep holding your breath waiting for Axl and Slash to record new material. Not gonna happen. We've all spent a small fortune watching this cash grab tour. We deserve something else to be excited about.
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Cause people on his forum have it, I've heard it. Or will the thread be removed? We've waited almost 10 years for new material and I think it's TOTAL BS fans can't share, openly discuss what few new leaks we have. Come on. GNR is the world's most dangerous band that now takes the stage at the same time WHeel of Fortune airs. Times have changed and it's time these lame ass policies change too.
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Every other band out there as big as Guns could deliver 5 albums over an 18 year period. Guns produced 1 that came out mixed poorly and with no marketing. I love Chinese D personally, but I just don't hear anything on it that was worth the wait or should have taken so much time to release.
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enjoy the shows.
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Want to blast Axl singing ACDC in my car and what are my audio options? Have any soundboard tracks leaked? Anyone rip good audio from the youtube clips? I hope they release a live album of these shows on CD. Axl sounds amazing.
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I was GA both nights. Really enjoyed the second night SO MUCH MORE because we stayed back near the end of GA and just rocked out! Was great meeting GNR 1991 ....he's a REAL FAN. Who you go with will either make you love the show or just have an OK time. It's impossible to not like a GNR show.
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Hey gunners,
23 years for the band and 25 years for me. That's how long it's been seen Axl and Slash have been on stage together. It's hard to think about these shows without putting everything in context. Like many of you, this band has been a HUGE part of my life. I still miss the days when all we did was wait for Chinese Democracy year after year. When we all counted each Tuesday thinking one of them would be the day. When we first heard new tracks. When us, the fans, were the only one with the new tracks. And then there were the tours. I was there in 2002 front row center at MSG. I was there at Hammerstein, CBGB's, MSG again, NJ, Paris, Hiro Ballroom, Rosebar, Hartford CT...and more I'm probably missing. I became friends with Bumblefoot. I've met Axl a couple of times. Some of you got Dr Peppers And I was there in 1991 at MSG when I was 13 years old and then Faith No More / Metallica / GNR a couple years later. So I think I've got the whole "GNR FAN" thing down.
For those of us who really waited for Chinese D and knew the vitriol Axl had for the old members, we never thought this moment would come. And now that it's here, how does it feel. I can't answer for all of you, but I can tell you that I am happy and sad at the same time. So happy they are finally back where they belong. Sad because so many years were wasted. But we always knew GNR would go this route. Axl was never just going to put out irrelevant album out one after the other like the Rolling Stones (no offense to Stones fans). He always wanted the music to be some sort of statement and finding the inspiration must have been nearly impossible after such early success. I still love Chinese Democracy because of what it represents...a genius musician totally unsure of which way to go in life...it's all there...it's a sad album, but it hits hard and rocks.
What's weird for me is how much time has passed since they initially "came back". That was 15 years ago! The fan base has all aged 15 years since then. It was exciting to think what Axl had in store for us. But more and more the tours became a greatest hits tour so it only made sense to play the classics with the guys who wrote those songs, with the guys who FELT those songs, with the guys who LIVED those songs. So seeing Duff and Slash back up there is just magical. I'm going to try and give my review broken out into Pros / Cons.
PROS:
1. THE SOUND: The new band could never get that classic SLASH sound right. You sort of need Slash. It's back. Him on a Les Paul playing November Rain, that's it. That's Guns N Roses. He just crushes it. Axl sounded amazing too. He was really hitting the high notes. Sure his rasp would go in and out at times, but who the hell, during a live show is caring / noticing? NOBODY. Don't let the internet babies over analyze this because they will.
2. THE SET LIST: Lots to be happy about with the songs they are playing. COMA live is worth the price of admission right there. Axl nailed the outro, which is damn tough to sing.
3. GNR T-Shirts EVERYWHERE: I don't think we'll ever see so many GNR fans take over an entire city the way they took over Vegas. Literally saw a shirt every few minutes in every hotel, all across Vegas. So it was cool to see an Arena completely sold out and filled with fans.
4. Layla: The 3 of the jamming out again...priceless.
CONS:
1. No SLASH Interaction / Appreciation Moment, At All: So I sort of had a big issue with this since all of us spent so much money to get there and priceless amounts of emotional energy supporting this band for decades. They sort of just started the show with a song that doesn't put SLASH front and center. Why didn't they have SLASH just stand there for a minute so the crowd could welcome him back and then have him hit those first chords to jungle? They sort of just went on like it was another day. And maybe that was the point. But you only get one chance to give the fans that moment and I wish they would have done something a bit more...Also, Slash never spoke to the crowd once. Again, this moment meant a lot to the people attending and there just wasn't any acknowledgement of that by the band. Maybe I am reading too much into this and just being there was enough.
2. Tired / Lame Fans: Not the bands fault, but I'm always shocked at how few people sing / dance at these shows. Me and the crew I was with were going crazy for each song. And there were moments I would just look around and see people just standing there, staring blankly at the performance. Really? Guns N Fucking Roses are back after 23 years and you're just gonna watch emotionless? Part of this boils down to the fact that the fan base is older, and let's be honest, these shows are past most of their bed times Mine included. There's also an energy to the shows that goes up and down, which is my next point.
3. Sporadic Energy From Songs: It's sort of been like this for a while, but some songs just ZAP the energy from the Arena. I know Axl needs to pace himself, so it's understandable. One song that just won't end is Knocking on Heaven's Door. The part at the end where Axl sings one then the crowd sings one goes on for a good 5 or so minutes. After each Axl / crowd part theres a long guitar solo that really breaks up the energy that used to happen in that part...what happens is the crowd is pumped to sing along and then you are waiting, not knowing when to come back in...again, maybe just me, but I would just sing that song they way the originally sang it. As much as I love songs like COMA / Estranged, TIL...they really bring the energy down. Would happily trade one for Out to Get Me or Used to Love Her...Like when Sebastian Bach came out, he really got the crowd going with My Michelle. Why? Because he talked to the crowd and got them pumped. Back to point 1....not having Axl running around was bound to take the energy level down a bit, but you can easily get fans pumped with a few speeches / rants All of which will come, I'm sure as they settle in together.
Overall, I had a great time and the last point I'll make is the most important one. ENJOY YOURSELF AT THE SHOWS! Don't worry about the ticket prices. Don't worry about the people around you. Just lose yourself in the music and you will remember it. Bring friends who love the band and rock out. Don't just go to see them. Go to feel like that kid you used to be when you first discovered Guns N Roses. It's not very often you can sing and dance to GNR for 2 1/2 hours straight without annoying the fuck out of someone. HAHA. This is your chance. Can't wait to see them in NYC at Met Life stadium I'm taking my girlfriend to see them for the first time. She lucked out SLASH!
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Exactly. Fan base in their 40's-50's and they are much more tired by the time the show starts. I'll say this, the energy level of MSG 2002 in NYC was the best I have ever experienced. They hit the stage around 10pm that night. These LATE LATE starts are killer.
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I have to say, I made the HUGE mistake of arriving at the arena around 9pm last night. Still on NYC time and by the time the show started, I was sort of beat. First hour I was good, having fun, but the last hour I was beyond tired. Still had a blast, but I made the rookie mistake: I waited on my feet for hours. God I wish I had a seat. Tonight, I"m just going to hang near the back of GA, arrive around 11:30 and enjoy the show more. Constantly getting pushed for 3 hours, being on my feet for 6+ hours, it's just no fun. IMHO.
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6 hours ago, Powerage5 said:
Not a fan for the most part.
CD was the best of the bunch IMO. I didn't like how Slash kept going with the main riff under the verse, I thought it all sounded too similar - would've preferred Fortus doing BBF's riffing, or just the synths like in 2001. Otherwise no complaints here though, Slash's solo was fine, and the intro sounded fucking mean with him on that riff. Probably the heaviest version of CD yet.
TIL did absolutely nothing for me, I thought Slash's solo was awful. It was like one long run-on thought, it had no direction and was just pure noodling. I'll give him a few shows to try and come up with his own take on it, but so far I'm not impressed. Bring on the flamers, but I thought it was almost as bad as one of the better Ashba TIL solos.
Better was...eh. Again, nothing but noodling on the outro solo, not a fan when Robin essentially wrote the perfect solo for it. I didn't like the new intro either, I always dug that poppy vibe of the original intro. Other than those two complaints I thought it was okay though.
100% agree there. The short leads on SCOM sounded fresher than they have in years, from either GN'R or the Conspirators.
You guys need to stop analyzing these songs in a vacuum. At the show, like WHEN YOU ARE THERE, everything sounded great. These guys are playing for the crowd in front of them, not the youtube critics. It's rock n roll and it sounded awesome. Every. Song.
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You guys are crazy. Was at the show last night. He sounded AMAZING. Every think someone's voice doesn't sound epic when you're recording the audio using shitty cell phones? Also, remember, Axl couldn't go backstage and get his oxygen like he normally does due to be stuck in the chair. He did go backstage some, but couldn't do it mid song, like during estranged.
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Might have some VIP Paradise City Package ticket to NY show...those tickets are now sold out.
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It only takes one guy at Tower Records / Troubador to tell a friend, and wham, 250 people know.
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guys, you'll never get a PIT ticket with the pre-sale. Why do people even try?
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Got Section 3 on the floor, Row 2, seats 1-4. Course I did the $750 Paradise City VIP tickets. The presale stuff was all garbage. Managed to get 8 tickets via the Paradise City VIP. $6,000 in tickets. YowZER.
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To be honest, I am having a hard time getting excited about the reunion. Maybe it's because it doesn't seem real yet. I have one hope. That Axl is in shape and puts on shows worthy of this band's legacy. I think he will.
I'm glad some of the newer fans who never got to see GNR back in the day will once again experience the magic Axl and Slash bring to a show. Course it will never be as good as it once was, but this time it actually means more to all parties involved. So that's great.
I hope everyone has a great time and I hope to hang with you guys out in Vegas and in NYC. Much love,
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1 hour ago, Babooshka said:
Kaneda, that is a bleak picture that you paint.
Axl and Slash will be playing a show together in 3 weeks. Bleak? Hell no. That's not bleak at all. Just wish they would act a little more professional at times when it comes to touring / marketing. That's all.
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On 3/10/2016 at 1:45 PM, OTHAFA said:
The original post of the thread claims they turned down the opportunity to work together for a marketing program, which sounds like an obvious opportunity to make additional money, so there's one example. Another thread here that caused hand-wringing was about the lack of any sort of press conference or promotional spots. I know people would like to see the big sponsored press conference (that the band would be paid handsomely for) like Van Halen did where Eddie planted a big wet kiss on DLR, but again that's another example of the band letting this reunion happen organically rather than forcing the issue for money.
I've been one of Axl's harshest critics over the last 10 or so years that I've been on this site, and I know if they did that phony press conference "let's show everyone how much we like each other" deal I would be on here ranting about how fake it looked, along with probably tons of other MyGNR posters. It's a no-win situation in a lot of ways. If you stay in the dark, keep their friendship private and let the music do the talking, it's because they hate each other. If they pimp the hell out of this thing, go on every talk show and get everything sponsored and paid for, it's because they're only out for the money.
Look - the money is what it is. It's what the marketplace says they are worth and I don't expect anyone to take less money than they are worth to do something they excel at. Would you take half your proposed salary to help your co-workers get paid more? I sure as hell wouldn't.
The big money is there now, it was there five years ago and it was there 10 years ago. So why now? I genuinely think it's because they have patched up their differences. If it was solely for the money, this would have happened years ago. To me, the money and personal relationship go together. Axl and Slash aren't going to put their pride aside and get together just for money, but on the other hand they certainly aren't going to make amends, and decide to go on a cheap charity tour. I truly believe they patched up their differences, want to play together again, and want to get paid well to do so. And there's nothing wrong with that.
Let me just clarify something really important. What we were working on didn't require the band at all. We were going to make some really incredible limited edition versions of something to celebrate this historic moment. We weren't asking for Axl. We weren't asking for Slash. We were told not to expect their participation in anything. It's just sad that we never heard back from the GN'R camp on the program. Trust me, you guys would have been going bonkers to get your hands on what we had in store.
So while it may seem "cool" to just blow off brand support, and that's GN'R being GN'R...it's the fans who ultimately suffer when these things die. I don't even think Axl or Slash even know about this type of stuff. They probably don't care. And that's cool. But I just wish there were more professionals surrounding them who could ink the right deals to give these guys the hype they deserve and the fans the recognition they deserve. This was 100% for the fans.Guys let's face it, as fans of GN'R, we deserve it after all these years.
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On 3/9/2016 at 5:28 PM, paranoyd androyd said:
i wouldn't doubt that each of those statements have some merit to them, but i don't believe for a second that 'GNR management' would just tell you that. sounds totally ridiculous tbh.
I think you guys don't realize GN'R management extends beyond team Brazil. There are publicists/agents who handle each of these guys. Those people work with brands, it's not always team Brazil.
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On 3/9/2016 at 3:18 PM, action said:
it's all part of the drama that's carefully being orchestrated, people!
chaos, betrayal, mayham... it's all part of the package.
or did you expect Axl, slash and Duff guest appearing at some lame ass talk show and answer awkward questions like we're all one crazy big family? get a grip.
Expect Axl to be pissed and late on stage, insulting random crowd member with an ashba t shirt, and generally acting his character, and the others having no clue what's happening.
it will be fun.
You're 100% wrong. Nothing is orchestrated here. People always think there's some master plan unfolding and we're witnessing it in action. The only plan is this: we don't give a shit. And that's why we love GN'R, but it's also why things will never come close to being as epic as they could if they did give more. I still feel the amazing music on Chinese D was met with apathy simply because the band didn't promote it or market it at all. Seemed like they didn't care so fans didn't care.
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On 3/9/2016 at 1:21 PM, TheSeeker said:
More free Dr. Pepper?
I'm still waiting for my free one.
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On 3/9/2016 at 1:25 PM, Towelie said:
Bullshit.
Kaneda, this isn't the first time you've claimed to have inside info and you've proven unreliable in the past.
What have I been wrong about in the past? Last time I checked I actually got GN'R more press than anybody else out there. So don't question my love of this band and wanting to see them get the hype right this time around. If I could, I would forward you the deck with the coolest ideas that would have blown people away. Major brand, major limited edition item that fans would have gone CRAZY for. Why would I lie about this?
And yes, the mood from people involved is that everyone is talking through intermediaries.
So that's it? We never hear Chinese D Era Tracks?
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It's sad that November of 2018 will mark the 10 year anniversary of Chinese Democracy. Another decade gone without ONE NEW Guns N' Roses song. Think about that for a minute. Axl worked on Chinese D from 1996-2008 and he doesn't even let go of all the material. Making matters even more lame is the fans that have some leaks will not even share them the way they did back in 2004-2008. What gives? Why has Guns N Roses turned into this? A nostalgia act where people are now buying $1,000 box sets of songs and demos EVERYONE has heard now for over 30 years! Shadow of Your Love is getting people excited? WTF? Who even cares?
The most interesting music is the music from the Chinese D era. The songs Bucket/Brain/Bumble/Fortus/Fink worked on. The songs Axl labored over for years to get right. The songs he wrote while he was trying to prove a point. That he could remake the magic. Chinese D is a special album that after 10 years still never gets old for me. I listen to Chinese D material when I'm melting rubber in the Demon more than Illusion stuff (which just doesn't hit as hard).
I'll never understand why the GNR fans with stuff won't help the fans get something new. And the forums are shut down any sharing of leaks/songs. Literally SO MANY people have the remixed album, Silkworks studio, OMG studio...and yet nobody shares i? It's so lame watching people gush over a remix of Appetite. Cool. Not. Sorry...but those of us who waited over a decade for Chinese D (and you know who you are) deserve more than this. All these new fans gushing over the cash grab tour have no idea what it was like seeing Axl and Bucket when the band actually had energy, anger and desire to prove something. That's all. See ya'll next month.