Hallucination

It was because it was the start. there was the idea that Axl would bail, or sound like crap or Slash would show up or whatever. It was interesting. It was new. It's pretty much like that with all bands when they start a tour. the first night/week is always amped to the max but after a while things settle down. You just can't expect the hype to sustain itself over a period of an entire tour. I'll gaurentee the hype picks up again when the tour nears the last show. It's only natural.

OR............... everyone could just reread my post to know the real reason why the hype died down....Like I said it happens this way for every band on every tour so.........

just for interest sake.......

http://www.mygnrforum.com/index.php?showtopic=70709&hl=

Do you listen to the 'Illusions' in one sitting? (please don't answer yes! ) well, if you think it's 'crap' they've been putting out since 'Californication' then we'll have to agree to disagree i guess. But i do know that Frusciante has been the driving force behind this band since his return on 'Californication' and im also 99% sure that it was him (mainly) who favoured the changes in musical style since that album. And what have we had since that time 'Scar Tissue', 'Otherside', 'Can't Stop', 'By The Way', 'Road Trippin' to name a few, wheras before you'd struggle to get more than a couple of chord changes on a Chillis album, never mind different styles. I think they've branched out but i guess it depends on your musical tastes.

Fair enough. Not much we can argue(converse) about here. It is JUST my opinion that since Californication it's all been the same old crap. yes a gem slips in here and there(Road Trippin' is great) but other than that I can't dig it. It's just boring to me. Like you said though Musical tastes; to each their own.

PS: By the way YES I an easily listen to the Illusion albums in one sitting. Assumeing I have the time. Those albums don't and never will bore me. I could also listen to Melloncollie and the Infinite Sadness in one sitting. You can do that with great albums(double disc or not). Stadium Arcadium will quickly be forgotten in my opinion.

During the NY shows, this board was packed. Hell, before the shows were announced this board was somewhat packed. But now after the NY shows are over, there's always like 5 people here. How come there is no hype for the European shows?? What?? Did everybody already get their fix, and are done?? What's up people?

It was because it was the start. there was the idea that Axl would bail, or sound like crap or Slash would show up or whatever. It was interesting. It was new. It's pretty much like that with all bands when they start a tour. the first night/week is always amped to the max but after a while things settle down. You just can't expect the hype to sustain itself over a period of an entire tour. I'll gaurentee the hype picks up again when the tour nears the last show. It's only natural.

dude you forget' half these members weren't alive then' they were still an itch in there dads nut sack

i'm pushin 33 now

let me be honest with you

i was as exited as everyone else about the leaks (wich i happen to like)

& about axls comeback

but after watching various downloads & hearing the live performances of this cover band' i'm really dissapointed'

its my birthday next month' my wife was gonna by me some tickets for the nec show as a surprise early present

i'm really glad she didn't' i can think of a thousand more things i'd like'

No, no , no. I don't miss out on that at all. I'm fully aware that this place is littered with young folks who weren't around or maybe weren't old enough to experience even the Illusions era. I'm 28 and I got into G N'R durring the Illusion era which let's face it was BIGGER than the AFD era. This band had eneregy, they had attitude(good or bad) they had chaos, they had danger, they had attitude, they had a genuineness to them that even the "Grunge" bands seeemd to lack. This is somethig the new fans can never understand. NO OFFENCE YOU GUYS(it's just a timeing thing), but the fact is this band now that alot of people hold so dearly as "Guns N' Roses" just doesn't jive with me. It's not Guns N' Roses and in my opinion a true fan, new or old would recognize that. The name Guns N' Roses is the root of the problem. If Axl dropped the name this band would be judged on a more unbiased level, new fans and old fans alike would be more honest in their opinions. Everyone knows this is NOT Guns N' Roses yet some choose to accpet the name use but realise the true nature of the band while others tend to HONESTLY THINK THIS IS GUNS N' ROSES which is absolutely absurd.

Lawrence:I hate you for all the youtubes you're posting. You're seriously ruining the new band for me. To be honest Guns N' Roses will never, NEVER, NEVER, have the attitude, or genuinness or attitude, or whatever else anyone wants to call it, that the old band had. The old band was something different and to anyone who honestly feels this new band embodies that , well all I have to say is that in my opinion you're not a real fan of Gn'R ad you have no clue what the old band was all about.

Attitude and genuiness only ever comes into it after ability, performances, genius lyrical ability, amazing live shows etc etc etc. If you base a band on attitude and geniuness then i feel sory for you. Axl can write better lyrics in 10 minutes than anyone in VR, fact.

And so what? Axl is a lyricist. Slash can write a riff in ten minutes I gaurentee it. Can Axl? No he can't. Lyrics and riffs are all about attitude and how you feel. It's all about emotion and I find the new band to lack a huge amount of emotion. Mostly because I feel they are playing Axl Rose's solo tunes. It's a sham and we all know it. Even the most die hard "new Guns" fan knows this band is all about Axl. the new guys may have a say and may contribute but their contribution ends when Axl says "No I don't think that's good." despite how much the others may like Bumblebee's(Decepticon or Autobot?) or Robin's or Richard's new riff, unless Uncle Axl approves it's not gonna see the light of day. This is not a band, there for it has no attitude. The original Gn'R had loads of attitude and it came axcross in the songs. It came out in the lyrics and in the riffs and in Stevens drums and Duff's bass and Izzy's rythem adn it showed on the album. AFD was Attitude..... the band was attitude first, talent and artistic ability second. Admit it. the band wa fueled by attitude. If you don't see the importance of attiude and genuineness in a band then I FEEL SORRY FOR YOU because you're lending yourself to a world of Nicklebacks and Three Doors Down, Hoobastanks and Simple Plan types of bands. bands with no true attuitdue and nothing genuine about them or their songs.

Lawrence:I hate you for all the youtubes you're posting. You're seriously ruining the new band for me. To be honest Guns N' Roses will never, NEVER, NEVER, have the attitude, or genuinness or attitude, or whatever else anyone wants to call it, that the old band had. The old band was something different and to anyone who honestly feels this new band embodies that , well all I have to say is that in my opinion you're not a real fan of Gn'R ad you have no clue what the old band was all about.

First off: Learn to quote properly you guys. I mean seriously who's the noob here As for Chinese Democracy blowing away what's huge right now........ I don't think it will. RHCP have sold out hugely and are rehashing the same shit over and over again because they've found a formula that sells on radio. I mean Californication------> Stadium Arcadium equals one long boreing album. yet goofs will buy into that shit every time. Coldplay have a nich where people will buy them no matter what. It sadens me to say that they'll sell no matter how shitty they become because they've found a fanbase that's not gonna go away. Greenday will die out unless they can appeal to the youngest of the young generation on every album from here on out.. I don't know anyone over 21 who thought American Idiot was "Brilliant" U2 is U2. Unbeatable. Don't bother trying. they're in the realm of the Beatles and Stones and Zeppelin by now wheather we like it or not there's no denying it. they're a non fadctor because they're untouchable by todays standards. As for the Stones they are living legends who as long as they are rockin will be the number one draw no matter what. The Best Gn'R can hope for is to be top ten or have a few hit singles and sell a few(5-9) million albums. Let's not worry about it. I fyou score you score, if not then oh well. As long as we win right?

Izzy IS Guns N Roses!!!!!!! I dare anyone to defy this statement. Ask yourself this: What have Guns N' Roses done besides tour(while playing songs Izzy wrote) since Izzy left the band? That's exactly right; pretty much nothing. this guy was the glue of the band and in my opinion he was the song writting genius of the band. If I'm being honest i havent heard anything by VR or new Gn'R that even comes close to Shuffle it All in terms of a timeless song.

I think in the old lineup, this is probably true. Although I dont think Shuffle it all is better than well, "Better", but Izzy is definitely the most talented out of the ex-gunners when you put all the solo records up for comparison.

For sure. When you compare solo records Izzy's are head and shoulders above the rest of the ex-Gn'Rers. But can you honestly say that Better will sound as fresh and be as appealing as a song like Shuffle it all or even somthing like Pressure Drop 50 years from now. I honestly believe that Izzy, despite the lack of publicity will have written better songs than anything off Chinese Democracy. Madagascar has massive potential but other than that nothng else has that Civil War quality in my opinion. I have yet to hear a new song(save for Maddy) that can transcend generations the way CW or PC or Jungle or SCOM has. the new stuff sounds great but at the same time it sound too "Fringe" in my opinion.

pressure drop isn't an Izzy original, its a cover I do believe. Rockin none the less.

And yes, I dont think anything has come out in music period since the illusions that are as good as Better and The Blues.

I love the way that people put down Axl to what his voice and stage presence was like 13 years ago. Nobody comments about how Izzy, Steve, Gilby have done fuck all to make the world notice them and Duff, Matt and Slash helped put out an okay album which was nearly 2 and a half years ago now and nothing seems to be happening in the near future. Axl has taken the world by storm and its gradually getting into the press over here which isn't an easy thing to do if you've been out of the lime light for so long. When Guns N' Roses release Chinese Democracy i guarantee it will piss all over the rushed Contraband.

You have no clue! Axl is riding the name Guns n' Roses and to a lesser extent "Axl Rose" Don't tell us Axl has taken the world by storm because he has NOT!. Nobody gives a shit about him or his FAKE Guns N' Roses except us. Bands like Coldplay, Rolling Stones, Green Day, U2, RHCP(as much as I dislike them) are the bands takeing the world by storm and to a lesser extent bands like The Killers, The Strokes, Kanye West, etc etc. Face it Axl/"Gn'R have not taken anyone by storm other than the the internet fans. get off the crack and start useing some persepective.

What do I hate about Guns N' Roses? The "Fans".

Awesome! You being one of them right? You know the "fans". Explain what being a "fan" means to you and then I'll decide if I respect/agree with your comment.

Izzy IS Guns N Roses!!!!!!! I dare anyone to defy this statement. Ask yourself this: What have Guns N' Roses done besides tour(while playing songs Izzy wrote) since Izzy left the band? That's exactly right; pretty much nothing. this guy was the glue of the band and in my opinion he was the song writting genius of the band. If I'm being honest i havent heard anything by VR or new Gn'R that even comes close to Shuffle it All in terms of a timeless song.

I think in the old lineup, this is probably true. Although I dont think Shuffle it all is better than well, "Better", but Izzy is definitely the most talented out of the ex-gunners when you put all the solo records up for comparison.

For sure. When you compare solo records Izzy's are head and shoulders above the rest of the ex-Gn'Rers. But can you honestly say that Better will sound as fresh and be as appealing as a song like Shuffle it all or even somthing like Pressure Drop 50 years from now. I honestly believe that Izzy, despite the lack of publicity will have written better songs than anything off Chinese Democracy. Madagascar has massive potential but other than that nothng else has that Civil War quality in my opinion. I have yet to hear a new song(save for Maddy) that can transcend generations the way CW or PC or Jungle or SCOM has. the new stuff sounds great but at the same time it sound too "Fringe" in my opinion.

yes the new band really are better than this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7VW4Wq542Y...s%2014%20yeares

why even post this here? this is supposed to be about the new guys. Talk about playing 14 years in St Louis in the Original Gunners section.

Wow! talk about getting on the defensive. Shu t up! All you're doing is sonding like an insecure "new guys" fan. Who gives a rats ass if old footage gets posted here. If everyone is so amped and hyped and confident about the new band they'd have no problem with stuff like this being posted. the only people who would have a problem with it would be those who have issues with footage of the old band putting the new band to shame being posted. Ouch eh!? Think before you spout off.

Izzy IS Guns N Roses!!!!!!! I dare anyone to defy this statement. Ask yourself this: What have Guns N' Roses done besides tour(while playing songs Izzy wrote) since Izzy left the band? That's exactly right; pretty much nothing. this guy was the glue of the band and in my opinion he was the song writting genius of the band. If I'm being honest i havent heard anything by VR or new Gn'R that even comes close to Shuffle it All in terms of a timeless song.

yes the new band really are better than this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7VW4Wq542Y...s%2014%20yeares

Wow! After watching that I am so sad. Axl has lost it completely. I mean his voice and stage presence back then was undeniable. Now its o.k. and slighty pushed. Slash is the king of it all and Izzy is a master. he was no doubt the glue of this band. Lawrence please don't post shit like this anymore because all it does is make my praise for the new band look stupid. I love this clip but I hate you for posting it. Laugh or frown I DON'T KNOW.

Can't say I reallly dislike anything about the new band. I thought they sounded tight and fucking amazing at Hammerstien(may 15th) but it's not Gn'R to me and that is honestly a hard thing for a long time fan to get past. I love the new band but they aren't Gn'R. I think Richard rules and if it weren't for the image of Slash in relation to Gn'R I would dare say say Richard has more stage presence than Slash. Honestly the guy fucking rips. He's by far the most underrated member of the new band. All we hear is Bumblefoot this and Robin that..... Seriously people open your ears and take a closer look. Richard is the not only owning the stage he's laying down the best solos which(besides his) are so borng by the way. Save for Richard's part I would call the guitar solos nothing more than a glorified sound check. be honest people the gutiar solos have sucked so far and Richards are the only ones that offer anything close to an original melody.

NIN are good but the music is not timeless...

Maybe not for you, but I find many NIN songs to be quite "timeless". Maybe 'cause I didn't get into Trent's music with "The Downward Spiral" so I never viewed NIN as a "90s trend".

Dude I've been into NIN since Prettcy Hate Machine(their debute album, 1989) and I love them. I love Downward Spiral, and With Teeth, and when I feel like letting loose and venting I totally dig Broken and and at times even Fixed is great. All I'm saying is NIN music is not timeless the way CCR is, or Rolling Stones are; or Led Zeppelin or or AC/DC or AFD version Gn'R are. It's different. It represents a time but its not timeles in the same sesne. When you hear NIN(even PHM ) it sounds like 90's industrial. That's not a bad thing but it's not a good thing. It's just a thing, if that maks sense. It's not timeless in the sense that CCR, AC/DC, Led Zeppelin, Rolling Strones, Pink Floyed and even AFD era Guns are. I'm repeating myself but I think I made my point. NIN is great music but it is no doubt dated, even the new stuff sounds a bit redundent(as good as it it)

..as i know some special courious tourist sugar daddy haha..will look at this fuckin' thread..

..found this..still on my hard-disc:...

http://www.megaupload.com/de/?d=AA8JPM5Q

..i love this song...

Thanks but no Thanks. been there done that. Don't have any desire to do it again.

when slash plays paradise city

great album but it has soo much to take in that it gets a bit boring

Does that even make sense? i mean, no offence but surely it would take longer to get boring if there's more tracks to explore. It's just a matter of taking into consideration that you've just bought a monster album that contains 28 tracks and so not to listen to it in one sitting. It's almost like treating your record collection like your babies, and SA is the special gifted one and therefore needs special attention!

nah! that's BS. If the album was that great you could and want to listen to it in one sitting. It sucks. just admit they've been rehashing the same crap since Californication.

I honestly think that if the album doesn't come out in 2006 alot of fans will have had enough and move on completely. You'll see alot of people leave forums like this and alot of respect that people may have had for Axl will be gone. I mean he said it outright that the album was comig this year so if it doesn't he flat out lied to his fans. he used it as a prop to support this tour and alot of fans will be turned off and disgusted with him. The band will dissolve because even they will have had enough of being a cover band and GnR will be finnished untill the original band does a reunion tour with or without a new album. That's my opinion.

That's an interesting quote. Slash & Duff are pretty much die hard rockers. They don't deviate too much from that format.

Duff listens to everything from Prince to the Refused. Slash is a Radiohead fan that's played with a wide range of different artists.

I do believe Axl when he says he liked all those different music trends that happened throughout the 90's. But I also think he was probably too keen to jump on these fads at the expense of his own band and the sound they had created for themselves - his desire to drastically change GnR's style (ie My World and eventually Oh My God) was probably a major reason why the band broke up.

I think Zack Wylde summed it up well:

"Axl Rose is sitting in a studio for 13 fucking years and he'll never come out with an album. He doesn't know what he wants. "This sounds like Nine Inch Nails. oh, that's out. What's next? Green Day. Okay. Now that's out. What's in?"

And it makes sense when you look through the huge list of artists Axl's worked with since 1996. A lot of talent, but all so different from one another.

Bang on! Axl was following trends. Things that didn't last. NIN are good but the music is not timeless. The "Seattle Movement" was alright but Guns N' Roses could never be that type of band. Hip Hop? Sure it was on the cusp of becomeing huge but that's not Gn'R. Axl seeemd to want to change with the times and be something Gn'R wasn't. Not many bands can adapt with the times while remaining true to themselves. It's a hard thing to do and even less bands pull it off while remaining commercially successful. I could probably count them on 1 hand. Axl biggest mistake in my opinion was likely trying to make something of the moment and not something lasting. I could be wrong but I don't think so.

Nope! these guys have become a joke. they've been rehashing the same album since Californication. It's like three albums have become one big long boreing album.

Run that same poll in North America and Oasis has no chance of being in the top five or ten even. I love Definately Maybe but lets be honest it is NOT the best album of all time.

That's actualy pretty damn good. You sound like you can actually sing so I'd be interested in hearing something where you weren't trying to sound like Axl.

Who cares. Richard owns them both anyways.

Seriously guys, this song is better than anything they have ever released and the version we have has Axl's vocals burried. Come on Axl, drop the shit and releases these hits!

You could not be more wrong.