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I never knew exactly what the definition of hair metal was, so I looked it up:

Rock or heavy metal music of the late 1980s performed by highly commercialized bands characterized by elaborate hairstyles, grotesque makeup, and highly theatrical costumes and stage sets.

So was GnR a hair metal band? Who cares... why must people always label everything. The same thing happened in the early 90s... every rock band from Seattle was considered grunge no matter how different their sound was. Nirvana sounded nothing like Alice In Chains. Pearl Jam sounded nothing like the Melvins.

I guess GnR were different from other ''rock'' bands in LA because they threw a lot of different rock genres in their music like punk and more bluesy stuff and that is why they appealed to a lot of people. Therefore their sound was different and some really good songs combined with the wild image they created is why they stood out from those cheesy metal bands.

The bluesy sound was a hallmark of many hard rock/hair metal bands of the era.

I fail to see anything remotely related to punk in gnr's sound whatsoever.

Certainly the bluesy rock sound of their inspirations shines thru as well as the influence of their contemporaries at the time in sound, guitar style, lyrics and axl's screeching vocals. Those types of vocals were a big part of the scene and still are.

I'm not big on labels for the most part but if you're talking about gnr and their era, the big falsehood is that they were different or above the scene when they werent. They broke thru most of the pack in terms of record sales although a lot of those bands were also selling millions of albums and millions of singles. A lot of people hear the term hair metal and it's a turn off, a blight on music and that their favorite band couldnt possibly be part of it. So what if they are? It doesnt change your taste

I think GnR had more bluesy influences in their music than most of those ''hair metal'' bands that I know from the 80s, I'm not saying GnR were the only band with bluesy licks, though.

If you can't hear the punk influence in some of their stuff, then I can't help you. I'm not even going to give examples because it's too obvious.

Please give me the examples of punk. I've been listening to gnr for almost 30 years now. Yet to hear anything punk in their music so it's not obvious to me, apparently.

Please help!

I can honestly say that no Classic GNR song is over rated. I love them all. COMA really captures the essence of running a code. WTTJ is my all time fav song! And Madagascar is so hauntingly beautiful. It's really unfortunate that Axl had trouble with his ear piece at that VMA show.

I wonder if someone may have intentionally sabotaged his equipment for that gig. I know several bands have had sound/equipment problems at the VMA- Pearl Jam and Neil Young immediately leap to mind. . They seem to have a history of monitor problems at high profile gigs (particularly festivals and medleys-situations where outside entities have the means, opportunity, and motive to impact their performance) so I don't think its out of the realm of possibility.

I never thought about that. But what you say makes a lot of sense.

Agreed. These same people are also delaying the release of ChiDem2 and the reunion tour as well.

They are sabotaging integrity

Of course it does

Perfect sense!

#SABOTAGE

It's really an undeniable fact that GnR was part of and arose from the "hair metal" scene in L.A. And they did take on certain aspects of that scene's image, sound and culture...especially early on. But to imply that they were just another hair band and somehow on the same level with bands like Poison, Ratt, Faster Pussycat, etc. is not a fair statement. GnR clearly had something that set them apart from their peers. Calling GnR just another hair metal band is like calling Zeppelin just another British bluinfluences, their look.es band.

What is that something that is so "clear"?

Does your level mean in record sales? Because then GNR are on a different level from say, Tora Tora. But in terms of their sound, their look, their lyrics, their pouty red lips in music videos, their blush and eye shadow, the screeching vocals, the babys and the sugars and the honeys and the songs and ballads about da bitches and songs about partying and drugs and their photo shoots with the obligatory bottle of jack, the dangling marlboros hanging out of the faux dazed faces of fake tough guys in spandex underwear and pants, the whole calculated thing with millions of dollars of major label support behind them? ..... that's all hair metal and a product of the times. Nothing new, nothing revolutionary, they didnt change music or bring back danger or any other press clipping nonsense. They were, in fact, just another band that broke thru to the mainstream. And by breaking thru, they used, as I said, the millions and millions of dollars of label support, marketing and money. All very calculated and a lot of it fabricated. They werent punk in anyway, shape or form. The biggest difference between them and a lot of other hair metal bands is the marketing.

If you can't recognize the difference in talent between GnR and Warrant, between Slash and Mick Mars, etc...then so be it. I won't waste any more of your time or my time trying to convince you.

So now it's a talent thing?

GnR are more talented than everyone else?

Oh please.

I don't know

I can write "oh please " for your "GNR was just another hair metal band" posts, but i won't

because of salami

GNR got salami in them. That is the difference

Raw meat salami

It's really all about the babys and the sugars and the honeys and the yie yie yies and the walking in the rain and the i'll never leave yous....coupled with the pouty red lips sucking on da marlboro reds. Salami is the icing on top of the, dare I say, cherry pie

TWAT is about as bad as it gets

Lonely teardrops! Fucking lol

Turned on Raw not that long ago.

Why is the camera zooming and bumping when someone gets dropped or hit. It's really distracting and about to give my a headache.

Because it worked once when The Shield debuted and they've done it for everything ever since. Kevin Dunn ladies and gentlemen. I follow Raw but I certainly don't watch it anymore, PPVs only.

The PPVs arent much better

It's really an undeniable fact that GnR was part of and arose from the "hair metal" scene in L.A. And they did take on certain aspects of that scene's image, sound and culture...especially early on. But to imply that they were just another hair band and somehow on the same level with bands like Poison, Ratt, Faster Pussycat, etc. is not a fair statement. GnR clearly had something that set them apart from their peers. Calling GnR just another hair metal band is like calling Zeppelin just another British bluinfluences, their look.es band.

What is that something that is so "clear"?

Does your level mean in record sales? Because then GNR are on a different level from say, Tora Tora. But in terms of their sound, their look, their lyrics, their pouty red lips in music videos, their blush and eye shadow, the screeching vocals, the babys and the sugars and the honeys and the songs and ballads about da bitches and songs about partying and drugs and their photo shoots with the obligatory bottle of jack, the dangling marlboros hanging out of the faux dazed faces of fake tough guys in spandex underwear and pants, the whole calculated thing with millions of dollars of major label support behind them? ..... that's all hair metal and a product of the times. Nothing new, nothing revolutionary, they didnt change music or bring back danger or any other press clipping nonsense. They were, in fact, just another band that broke thru to the mainstream. And by breaking thru, they used, as I said, the millions and millions of dollars of label support, marketing and money. All very calculated and a lot of it fabricated. They werent punk in anyway, shape or form. The biggest difference between them and a lot of other hair metal bands is the marketing.

If you can't recognize the difference in talent between GnR and Warrant, between Slash and Mick Mars, etc...then so be it. I won't waste any more of your time or my time trying to convince you.

So now it's a talent thing?

GnR are more talented than everyone else?

Oh please.

It's really an undeniable fact that GnR was part of and arose from the "hair metal" scene in L.A. And they did take on certain aspects of that scene's image, sound and culture...especially early on. But to imply that they were just another hair band and somehow on the same level with bands like Poison, Ratt, Faster Pussycat, etc. is not a fair statement. GnR clearly had something that set them apart from their peers. Calling GnR just another hair metal band is like calling Zeppelin just another British bluinfluences, their look.es band.

Does your level mean in record sales? Because then GNR are on a different level from say, Tora Tora. But in terms of their sound, their look, their lyrics, their pouty red lips in music videos, their blush and eye shadow, the screeching vocals, the babys and the sugars and the honeys and the songs and ballads about da bitches and songs about partying and drugs and their photo shoots with the obligatory bottle of jack, the dangling marlboros hanging out of the faux dazed faces of fake tough guys in spandex underwear and pants, the whole calculated thing with millions of dollars of major label support behind them? ..... that's all hair metal and a product of the times. Nothing new, nothing revolutionary, they didnt change music or bring back danger or any other press clipping nonsense. They were, in fact, just another band that broke thru to the mainstream. And by breaking thru, they used, as I said, the millions and millions of dollars of label support, marketing and money. All very calculated and a lot of it fabricated. They werent punk in anyway, shape or form. The biggest difference between them and a lot of other hair metal bands is the marketing.

1. Bret Michaels

2. Oprah Winfrey

3. Vince McMahon

4. Lamar Odom

5. Simon Cowell

6. Buckethead

7. Magic Johnson

8. Courtney Love

9. Adam Sandler

10. Melissa McCarthy

I think so

Started Dexter finally

Quit now

Think I'm going watch Banshee season 3.

Not sure if that was the last ep of The Affair or s nuclear cliffhanger.

Yep, it was the season finale

Eliza Dushku is in the next/final season of Banshee. Yummy.

I never knew exactly what the definition of hair metal was, so I looked it up:

Rock or heavy metal music of the late 1980s performed by highly commercialized bands characterized by elaborate hairstyles, grotesque makeup, and highly theatrical costumes and stage sets.

So was GnR a hair metal band? Who cares... why must people always label everything. The same thing happened in the early 90s... every rock band from Seattle was considered grunge no matter how different their sound was. Nirvana sounded nothing like Alice In Chains. Pearl Jam sounded nothing like the Melvins.

I guess GnR were different from other ''rock'' bands in LA because they threw a lot of different rock genres in their music like punk and more bluesy stuff and that is why they appealed to a lot of people. Therefore their sound was different and some really good songs combined with the wild image they created is why they stood out from those cheesy metal bands.

The bluesy sound was a hallmark of many hard rock/hair metal bands of the era.

I fail to see anything remotely related to punk in gnr's sound whatsoever.

Certainly the bluesy rock sound of their inspirations shines thru as well as the influence of their contemporaries at the time in sound, guitar style, lyrics and axl's screeching vocals. Those types of vocals were a big part of the scene and still are.

I'm not big on labels for the most part but if you're talking about gnr and their era, the big falsehood is that they were different or above the scene when they werent. They broke thru most of the pack in terms of record sales although a lot of those bands were also selling millions of albums and millions of singles. A lot of people hear the term hair metal and it's a turn off, a blight on music and that their favorite band couldnt possibly be part of it. So what if they are? It doesnt change your taste

I've seen parts of the transcript floating around. This was ages ago though, I never bothered to save them. IIRC is was Meegan's testimony. Some articles do use the transcripts to state what Axl did to Erin; tie her up, dump her in the closet for hours, and then sexually assault her.

I guess someone could get a copy and post it. Maybe SoulMonster, you like collecting quotes don't you? Why don't you have that on your site, I wonder.

If this is true, then i don't want a reunion anymore in any shape or form

In fact i wish Axl would never perform publicly again

Maybe that is one of the reasons why Axl was a recluse for 6-7 years

I can't imagine how a woman can defend a wife beater

Celebrity worship sometimes gets too far, imo

I think you are talking about People Magazine Battered Beauty front cover story. It took its material from Stephanie and Erin's statements they had put in court. Wasnt proven.

However, Slash officially did put it in his book that he saw some violence against a woman but ended it with brushing that statement of in fear of getting prodded.

By the way... narcissistic rockstars/musicians from way way back werent necessarily great role models. Zeppelin guys used to stick little shark fishes in womens private parts... Motley Crue used to have contests of who can get away with getting oral sex without bathing for days... Nikki said he passed a month.

People sure do get testy when gnr and hair metal are brought up, as if it's evil.

They looked hair metal with the makeup, clothes and teased hair.

Their lyrics on afd were hair metal 101.

Scom is hair metal ballad 101

Scom video is hair metal video 101.

They were from the same scene as every other hair metal band.

They were no different. Saying they were some revolutionary band is patently false. They did nothing new and brought nothing new to the genre. What genre? Hair metal.

To pretend they were different is one's own insecurity with the hair metal label.

Afd wasnt all killer no filler. It was some good songs and some bad songs. Like other hair metal albums.

Their sound was hair metal...yes, 101.

They were on all hair metal magazine covers. Why? Because they were hair metal.

Metallica spearheaded a brand new genre/sub genre. They had no radio airplay, didnt make a music video until their 4th album in a time when videos were incredibly vital and crucial. They steadily grew a fanbase with each album.

Guns N' Roses rode the hair metal wave.

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I think DD and Lenny will find this article interesting

I did

I'm pretty sure that it's not from an actual show. Just someone filming Axl pretending to play it at a show and then adds it to a bunch of actual live clips and sync it all together.

I don't know, I can't remember where I saw it, but I've definitely seen a video of Axl playing the intro live. And he was 100% playing it, no tapes; it was very believable because he was struggling with his barre chords and a bit clumsily played... anyway who cares!

I will say that, the last time we saw Axl play any guitar was in 1993, if he's done any sort of practice in the years since then I'm pretty confident that he could play some guitar live if he really wanted. He has guitars around his house (nice one's) so I'm sure he still plays from time to time, the main thing is he doesn't really need to bring it to a stage as he's usually playing with at least 3 guitarists.

He played guitar live at rock in rio 2001 during madagascar

I stand corrected! and from the looks of things he hadn't improved much, or at all.

I think he got worse!

Axl is a sell out. Nothing wrong with that, guys.

But he sold out with the utmost #INTEGRITY

I'm pretty sure that it's not from an actual show. Just someone filming Axl pretending to play it at a show and then adds it to a bunch of actual live clips and sync it all together.

I don't know, I can't remember where I saw it, but I've definitely seen a video of Axl playing the intro live. And he was 100% playing it, no tapes; it was very believable because he was struggling with his barre chords and a bit clumsily played... anyway who cares!

I will say that, the last time we saw Axl play any guitar was in 1993, if he's done any sort of practice in the years since then I'm pretty confident that he could play some guitar live if he really wanted. He has guitars around his house (nice one's) so I'm sure he still plays from time to time, the main thing is he doesn't really need to bring it to a stage as he's usually playing with at least 3 guitarists.

What I meant by the Django and Basterds thing is that it falls in line with them as being very, very average films that QT would have you believe are epics. He's just not a very good filmmaker. Diesel sums it up well enough in his above post.

Gotcha.

I've got about 10 minutes left and I'm beyond disappointed. Really, really, really glad I'm not going to waste 3 hours on this on Christmas Day as I had planned.

It's a really long 3 hours too. It doesnt fly by, that's for sure. QT is a very polarizing director. Some think he's the bees knees. I am of the opposite camp. Jackie Brown is a masterpiece though. I feel he's been chasing that ever since and unfortunately, hasnt really come close.

What I meant by the Django and Basterds thing is that it falls in line with them as being very, very average films that QT would have you believe are epics. He's just not a very good filmmaker. Diesel sums it up well enough in his above post.

Hateful Eight

Revenant

Force Awakens

Carol

Brooklyn

Room

Anyone watched it yet?

One of my friends on Facebook said it sucks. I have a hard time believing that (Though I seriously doubt it will crack my top 3 Tarantino flicks).

Jennifer Jason Leigh is glorious.

The film as a whole is not good.

But if you like Basterds and Django, you'll like it. I personally rank those two and now this as the worst films in a career that is incredibly underwhelming anyway

My list:

Best band ever: The Beatles

Best hard rock band ever: The Jimi Hendrix Experience

The Stones, The Who, The Doors, Cream etc, follow.

Chuck Berry is rock n' roll in many ways.

Guns are one of the best hard rock bands that ever was. The genre was mined to shit before they came up, Jimi's reach was extensive. But they've refined it to such a degree that I'm glad someone did it. Especially what they did on Appetite. Like they took The Stones, Chuck Berry, Zeppelin, AC/DC, lynard, and Aerosmith, some metal and later on also Queen and Elton John with November Rain etc and made something that was great.

Off the top of my head....best ever overall would be....

Elvis Presley

Chuck Berry

The Clash

The Who

Bob Dylan

Beatles

Rolling Stones

Black Sabbath

James Brown

The Kinks

If GNR were an ice cream flavor, what would it be?

Mint chocolate chip because that's the most overrated ice cream flavor

It all depends on one's definition of hard rock but I'd say the top 25 would be , in no particular order...and certainly not a list of my favorite bands...

Led Zeppelin

Cream

Jimi Hendrix

Deep Purple

Motorhead

Alice Cooper

Judas Priest

Rush

Iron Maiden

Bon Jovi

Def Leppard

Guns N' Roses

Black Sabbath

Metallica

Tool

Rage Against The Machine

Queen

Ozzy Osbourne

Soundgarden

Pantera

Megadeth

Van Halen

Aerosmith

AC/DC

KISS

The only really good ones in your list are: Guns, Cream, The Experience. I like most of those bands though, but they can't be considered the best imo. And what about The Who? The Doors even.

It all depends on your definition of hard rock

No way would I put The Doors on a hard rock list.

The Who can be debated.

Give me your list....and don't make it your favorites. I didn't. I really dislike half of those bands. I despise Cream and Pantera in particular but can't discount their influence and legacy.

I tried to pick the most influential, the most enduring