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For me it was a fun little diddy in 2006 but would be utterly pointless now. However I'd still take it over any cover.

Technically, they are all covers. I'd rather that they cover Locomotive or Breakdown, personally.

Marc, have you ever considered just driving to Axl's house, ringing the buzzer, and see where things go from there? All the negative scenarios be damned.

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Or have you already tried something like this in recent years and it didn't go so well?

Who in the hell are some of you trying to kid? It was a pile of shit and most people recognized that. Nothing more, nothing less.

I don't know one person outside of the forums that liked the album, but I know many who listened to it.

All of the shows I've been to since 2002 have had the same GN'R feel to me as the ones I attended in 93 and before.

I honestly don't believe you. Not for a second. I do believe that you are obviously fanatical when it comes to Axl Rose -- and that's your biz. But I don't believe for a second that the 2002 lineup had the same feel to you as the 1993 lineup. It was a completely different band for christ's sake. Even Axl didn't sound like Axl.

To believe what you just stated, I'd either have to come to the conclusion that you are completely delusional or a complete Axl fanatic. I don't question at all that you are the latter of the two.

Just out of curiosity, why not just be honest and say that you are fanatical when it comes to Axl Rose and that you'd be willing to accept anything he does as being GNR? Why make up something like "it felt the same" when there was next to no similarity at all? I'm honestly curious as to what you hope to gain?

I love that fact that some people simply cannot see where others are coming from.

I'm not being dishonest or delusional and I'm certain not a "complete Axl fanatic", I just happened to point out the fact that for me the shows in 2002 had the same feel as those in 1993 and before that I attended. See my avatar? That's my favorite guitarist to ever be in GN'R. When is the first time I saw him on stage in person with GN'R? 2002. So imagine seeing a band you love with a new guitar player for the first time and you just dig what he's doing. That's how the gig was brought to the same level as seeing line ups prior to that for me.

Also, this whole "You must have something to gain from an opinion" is such a tired angle.

Even by you getting angry and defensive doesn't lead me to believe you any more. I simply asked how in God's green earth the 2002 lineup could have felt the same to you as the 1993 lineup when there was absolutely no similarity AT ALL other than Axl's 2002 lineup covering that same band's songs. There were no similarities. None. Even Axl wasn't similar. He looked and sounded drastically different.

And your explanation about Robin being your favorite guitar player doesn't lead to your claim making any more sense. Because Robin is your favorite guitar player, that somehow translates into you believing that the 2002 lineup had the same feel as the 1993 band? *scratching head* Sorry. I'm not following.

Again, I just don't understand why you won't say that you're willing to accept anything as being GNR as long as Axl is involved? I mean, that is the case, right?

All of the shows I've been to since 2002 have had the same GN'R feel to me as the ones I attended in 93 and before.

I honestly don't believe you. Not for a second. I do believe that you are obviously fanatical when it comes to Axl Rose -- and that's your biz. But I don't believe for a second that the 2002 lineup had the same feel to you as the 1993 lineup. It was a completely different band for christ's sake. Even Axl didn't sound like Axl.

To believe what you just stated, I'd either have to come to the conclusion that you are completely delusional or a complete Axl fanatic. I don't question at all that you are the latter of the two.

Just out of curiosity, why not just be honest and say that you are fanatical when it comes to Axl Rose and that you'd be willing to accept anything he does as being GNR? Why make up something like "it felt the same" when there was next to no similarity at all? I'm honestly curious as to what you hope to gain?

Do you guys remember a few years back when Vince had the following to say about Axl:

Mötley Crüe singer Vince Neil has accused Guns N’ Roses frontman Axl Rose of being… well, pretty useless, basically. Neil also claims GN’R's hard-core supporters have grown sick of the band.

Neil’s scathing attack on the November Rain star comes after GN’R's latest album Chinese Democracy, the band’s first since 1993′s The Spaghetti Incident, failed to live up to the hype its 10 years in the making generated.

The veteran singer believes GN’R's loyal fans have finally grown sick of the band, thanks chiefly to Rose’s failure to turn up to rehearsals and perform live shows.

Neil said: “For it [Chinese Democracy] to fail was pretty crazy after so many years of being recorded. Then the tour got cancelled.

“A buddy of mine went to go play guitar for him. They rehearsed for three months and Axl never once showed up. Rule number one: show up!

“He’s been doing that for many years. Finally I think the fans just went: ‘Fuck it – can’t do this anymore.’

“You can’t be a fan when you can’t see the band.”

Despite Neil’s comments, there are unconfirmed reports that GN’R will tour Asia in December.

http://www.classicrockmagazine.com/news/axl-has-let-gnr-fans-down-says-vince-neil/

Even after being kicked out of Crue in the early 90s, Vince did fairly well as a solo act. Plus, he recorded an industrial rock album under his own name that most aren't even aware of.

Recently, he publically stated that it is very difficult for him to continue to sing a lot of their staple songs. At least he's honest about it and giving people that heads up. Plus, the band has always had lots of cool things for their fanbase. They've been able to put aside their personal differences for the sake of their fans, offer variety in their setlists and merchandise, and continued making new music every few years. And personally, I'd say that his vocal ability is pretty on par with that of Axl's these days.

Honestly, I wish I was a bigger Crue fan. Their fanbase has been much, much more fortunate than the hand that we've been dealt as GNR fans.

I tend to agree with ER. Probably not a direct dig at Axl, but I wouldn't be surprised if Axl, or others like him, might specifically come to mind as he spoke those words.

I'm not a Crue fanatic, but they've been a fairly solid band throughout the years that have been able to consistently draw crowds for 30+ years. IMO, Dr Feelgood has been their staple album and they've done a decent job at maintaining relevancy. Any one suggesting that the new GNR have a bigger all around following aren't being honest with themselves.

Nikki Sixx Talks Motley Crue's Farewell

Vince Neil said over the summer that the band was planning a farewell tour next year. Nikki Sixx confirms that while the timing is not set in stone, the band will at some point in the future set out for one last jaunt around the world as "brothers."

Regarding their forthcoming farewell tour, Sixx had this to say:

"Someone said to me the other day, "Won’t you be sad?" I go, "No, I’d be sad if we were playing half-full theaters and only two band members were in the band." That would be sad."

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/nikki-sixx-talks-motley-crues-farewell-20131005

Could this be a dig at Axl either directly or indirectly? Is it possible that DJ may have expressed being unhappy to his friend regarding his role in the band and/or their obvious stagnation? As DJ said numerous times throughout the years, he joined GNR to write and produce the next album, not to just play guitar.

Maybe the comment was coincidental. Maybe not.

What do you think?

In short, I honestly believe the "original lineup" would have found success similar to that of LA Guns. All 5 members of the classic lineup were needed to reach the level of success that GNR ultimately achieved.

Did you hear the crowd saying "Axl who" at the end of the song?

Even Axl can't sing Jungle anymore.

Honestly, what does Axl have to say that would even be interesting, at this point? He's vaguely said throughout the years why he won't reunite the preferred lineup. He had someone write a short story on his behalf in regard to why he wouldn't attend the induction ceremony. We all know that he's not interested in recording a new album.

What's left that is interesting and hasn't already been discussed. Nada.

Not unless Slash is in the band.

There's no way GN'R headlines over PJ or the Chili Peppers. I'm calling fake.

If Slash is in the band, Guns N Roses headlines a Zeppelin reunion.

When he is ready to go on then you will get 100% from him.

If the 2002 VMAs, The Bridge School Benefit, and RIR '11 was 100%, I'd hate to see what 75% would look like.

I have never seen any evidence that Slash has a strong dislike for Axl.

Perhaps you should listen to Slash's 2012 Howard Stern interview. When Howard stated to Slash "Axl really hates you", Slash responded by saying that he isn't overly fond of Axl, either.

I do think "hate" is a strong word, and I don't believe that Slash hates Axl, but I do believe when he says that he would rather not be associated with that situation. And who could blame him? Axl's press bashing of him in recent years, denying his own induction in to the RRHOF, not to mention the bizarre management scenario. I think up until 2009 or so, Slash had a definite interest in reconciling and taking part in a reunion, but now, I honestly believe that it isn't something that he thinks about much or has any interest in at all, really.

No question, I'm sure the payday involved must be lucrative for him, but I'm willing to bet that he sees the current "GNR" situation as bizarre as most people do do in the year 2013. I'd be genuinely surprised if he didn't.

I agree that it was Slash's own choice to sign the name over. But it was Axl who was a dictatorial jerk during his whole tenure in Guns N' Roses. Even before they were signed. The late starts, the no-shows, the cancelled shows. You are telling me you wouldn't be pissed off with your signer if he did that?

LOL. He should learn to accept his own decisions if he's mad at Axl because he was stupid enough to sign over the name.

Probably. Slash probably looks back at Axl being a fucken deceiving dictator by coercing him and Duff to sign the name over. It stopped being about friendship then and there. Also Axl's bullshit antics like the latestarts and cancelling shows would have pissed him off to no extent. In a way, Slash was smart for leaving that sinking ship. I mean, since Slash has left(15 years ago?), Guns N' Roses as an entity have put out one fucking album... One...

As Slash has stated numerous times, he signed over the name because he believed if the band were to break up it wouldn't matter who had the name.

Regardless of whether he was right or wrong in his decision to do so, in hindsight, he was absolutely right. Picture GNR circa 87-93. Then picture GNR 2001-2013.

Sure. The name has allowed Axl to sell out certain SA shows, but the majority's consensus is that GNR has been dead for a long, long time.

Apparently you don't realize where Slash is at. I'd love to let you live in the ignorant bliss that you currently enjoy, but reality beckons. Even at the height of VR, they never matched New Guns' touring numbers. They can have all the record sales (in 2004 vs 2008, Derp!) in the world, a band makes money off of touring. It's needless to even mention Slash's solo career in both record sales and touring, so I'll leave that humiliation alone.

Actually, I realize exactly where Slash is. And from where I stand, he's done pretty damn well since his GNR days. I'm not a huge fan of the man's musical endeavors outside of GNR, but despite this, he's been ranked the #2 guitar player of all time, only behind Hendrix. He can make solo albums and have just about any singer that he wants to do guest spots. He's found some level of success in VR, and now he's producing films. He's Slash; probably the most distinct and popular guitar player of our time.

New GNR touring numbers are hit n miss, depending on how you wish to spin an argument. As I stated, Axl being able to call his tribute band GNR has allowed him to sell out certain markets at times, mainly outside of the US. I'm sure you'd rather that I not use the states as a benchmark -and for obvious reasons - but Axl now has to resort to "UCAP" shows and Vegas Residencies. Nothing wrong with that, but nothing great either. Sure, he can go back down to South America whenever he wishes and still pull decent numbers, but aside from that, what? He's done virtually nothing near what Slash has done to maintain relevancy, despite having the GNR umbrella to help him.

On topic, I think Slash would have loved to have went back to GNR sometime between 2005-2008. Since that time, I don't think he would want to even with the tempting reunion offers. Personally, I'm sure he thinks Axl is a lunatic and I believe when he says that he's over it. It's just not something he would want to revisit when considering Axl's ways.

Unfortunately, for someone like me who really loved the real GNR, it really blows that the situation is what it is.

Probably. Slash probably looks back at Axl being a fucken deceiving dictator by coercing him and Duff to sign the name over. It stopped being about friendship then and there. Also Axl's bullshit antics like the latestarts and cancelling shows would have pissed him off to no extent. In a way, Slash was smart for leaving that sinking ship. I mean, since Slash has left(15 years ago?), Guns N' Roses as an entity have put out one fucking album... One...

LOL. He should learn to accept his own decisions if he's mad at Axl because he was stupid enough to sign over the name.

I agree that it was Slash's own choice to sign the name over. But it was Axl who was a dictatorial jerk during his whole tenure in Guns N' Roses. Even before they were signed. The late starts, the no-shows, the cancelled shows. You are telling me you wouldn't be pissed off with your signer if he did that?

As Slash has stated numerous times, he signed over the name because he believed if the band were to break up it wouldn't matter who had the name.

Regardless of whether he was right or wrong in his decision to do so, in hindsight, he was absolutely right. Picture GNR circa 87-93. Then picture GNR 2001-2013.

Sure. The name has allowed Axl to sell out certain SA shows, but the majority's consensus is that GNR has been dead for a long, long time.

The hamburglar has red hair. Both Conan and Axl have red hair. The hamburglar's hat looks like Axl's hat.

All joking aside.

see the difference, Axl goes on Kimmel and doesn't mention CD and gives burgers away, Slash goes on Conan promoting a Movie and selling his own branded burger.

Hmm, interesting point. Something to ponder.

Actually, no. It isn't all that interesting of a point. As someone had already pointed out, Axl was on Kimmel to promote his Vegas Residency (and quite honestly, he likely only did so as part of some contractual agreement). Slash was on Conan to sell his new flick. There's no difference in either for the better or for the worst.

The most interesting thing about both scenarios is that they both gave out hamburgers.

good performance.

movie looks like total shit, though.

i want to try his burger.

Wasn't it confirmed reasonably recently that Slash has a "no Axl/GNR questions" policy in his interviews?

Source?

I remember reading it on here or some other GNR forum.

A month or two after Axl snubbed the Rock Hall, Slash did an interview where he stated that he won't answer any more Axl questions.

"We'll be right back with Slash!" - Conan

Wasn't it confirmed reasonably recently that Slash has a "no Axl/GNR questions" policy in his interviews?

He does, but he's not mean enough to bypass questions when they're still brought up by journalists (which happens often). A lot of celebs will just turn to their publicists or storm off if off-topic questions are asked, but Slash tends to be pretty gracious about it. Howard Stern is a good example - he went on about Axl a lot. But you kind of know everything's off the table when you go on Stern.

Slash's most recent interview with Stern was f'n great. It's on youtube. (surprised, I'm sure).

At one point when Stern was asking questions about what led to his and Perla's temporary split, Slash actually said "let's talk about GNR instead".

yeah, it was a good interview.

it's been a while since i listened to it, but iirc, i lol'd @ robin being convinced she could get slash and axl back together.

Yeah. Howard seemed pretty convinced that he could too.

It thought it was kind of humorous when he said to Slash [paraphrase] "You have to ask yourself, what did I do to piss this guy (Axl) off so bad. I mean, the guy really hates you". Slash was like, "yeah, well, I'm not too fond of him either".

Like I said, "kind of humorous", but sucks when you consider the reality.

To be fair, what can Slash really say about Axl after their 17 year estrangement? "Soooo, I hear he's got another AFD tour coming up in South America. Cool."

No Axl talk. Slash and Myles playing after commercial break.

I never knew Slash was a Sponge Bob fan.

Slash has been going to Disneyland every year since he was a kid.

He went straight from rehab to a Disney Cruise.

Slash brought hamburgers for the Conan crowd (hmm .. sound familiar?)

Wasn't it confirmed reasonably recently that Slash has a "no Axl/GNR questions" policy in his interviews?

Source?

I remember reading it on here or some other GNR forum.

A month or two after Axl snubbed the Rock Hall, Slash did an interview where he stated that he won't answer any more Axl questions.

"We'll be right back with Slash!" - Conan

Wasn't it confirmed reasonably recently that Slash has a "no Axl/GNR questions" policy in his interviews?

He does, but he's not mean enough to bypass questions when they're still brought up by journalists (which happens often). A lot of celebs will just turn to their publicists or storm off if off-topic questions are asked, but Slash tends to be pretty gracious about it. Howard Stern is a good example - he went on about Axl a lot. But you kind of know everything's off the table when you go on Stern.

Slash's most recent interview with Stern was f'n great. It's on youtube. (surprised, I'm sure).

At one point when Stern was asking questions about what led to his and Perla's temporary split, Slash actually said "let's talk about GNR instead".

Already a thread http://www.mygnrforum.com/index.php?/topic/202615-slash-on-conan-tonight/#entry3554570

Well, since your thread generated 2 responses in the past 5 hours and mine generated 20 in the past 30 minutes, I'd say it's probably a good thing that I re-posted it.