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The new intro to better is almost definitely off the remix album, maybe it wasn't so bad after all?

2 minutes ago, scooby845 said:

where is this Jungle recording from?????? Sorry for spamming just it sounds awesome...

Live era? or the re released video at least I think

Locomotive, the song played a role in me losing a fiancée (barely)
 

Rogers Centre, Toronto, 16th July

Is anybody planning on livestreaming the vegas shows? *Just saw the post above, damn!*

Has Axl been spotted at all this year? Mainly during the past few weeks whilst the rumours of a reunion have been circulating?

Yeah, he walked by your place last week? What, you didn't see him?

I saw mick hucknall.. oh shit

No. No pictures of Axl. However, he has been active on Twitter so we know he's alive.

I did just check his twitter actually, has there been forest fires in that area again? I think a major fire is quite possibly the only way we will see him on TMZ and those sorts of websites, not that seeing him on TMZ would be good it would just be something

No.

How does he manage to keep such a low profile?! I guess living in the hills helps but have none of the brazilian connection posted any pictures of him since the tour ended?

Has Axl been spotted at all this year? Mainly during the past few weeks whilst the rumours of a reunion have been circulating?

What was with bumblefoots tweet about DJ leaving? He said good luck to them and its been an incredible six years, is that just a dig at Dj? Surely Ron is still in the band?

Its not a dig at DJ, by them he means GNR and its band members, he is clearly out of the band and has no contact with them, but he remembers those times he played with them and they have respect for each other, so thats why he said incredible six years just out of respect.

#RESPECTHEASHBA

But surely he would have said what a great 9 years or however long Ron has been with GNR? If Ron is actually out then surely it just means Axl has a blank slate with solid rhythm, drums and bass? If thats the case then he could get anyone to playw ith them for the lead and 2nd lead (whatever the fuck that is)

What was with bumblefoots tweet about DJ leaving? He said good luck to them and its been an incredible six years, is that just a dig at Dj? Surely Ron is still in the band?

Would definitely pay for "Thanks again, Team Brazil" tees.

At around 1:25 Axl says "I don't wanna throw my money in the toilet, I know Universal's hoping they didn't", Universal must have had one hell of a blocked toilet...

Are there any more any more off the cuff Axl quips related to Chinese?

TB is just synonymous with GNR going to shit. Who knows how much of a cause they are, but there's definitely a correlation.

Not in my book :book:the

All encompassing statements like that aren't necessarily true simply because you anonymously post them on a forum.

OK. Terrific point.

As much as their management and general attitude towards the fans annoys me I think TB actually saved Axl from doing a Cobain, the whole family dynamic that it brings to his life can only help. If the stories are true about all of the previous managers being backstabbers then I can understand why he would use TB as his current management, can you imagine actually trying to work him though it must have been hell. At least this way he interacts with his management, his decline in recent years has been due to him, his health, his attitude and his lack of ambition. If the IRS just helped the fans out and seized all of his assets for a few months I think we would see a couple of albums in no time. Are there any IRS workers on this forum willing to bend the law?

Rock am Ring 2006

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4FCRqif1tk

The parts that I didn't appreciate were:

- Bumblefoot's additions to Chinese Democracy, his fretless work (even though its great its not melodic enough

- The intro to Scraped

- The intro to Riad

- The ridiculously high pitch in of Axl's voice in ITW, makes it almost unplayable in the car

The parts that I stood out

- TWAT, I really liked the solo sections, Axl's voice and the electric drums (I like that type of shit)

- Sorry, It's one that all my friends took a shine too and they hate most of the album

- Chinese & Better same reason as above

- IRS kicks ass

- Shackler's is a great song

- Riad Riff

- Prostitute as a whole

- Madagascar, Axl's voice

I prefer the songs when they are played live though, especially when Axl's voice is in good shape, they come across a lot better when the atmosphere is created through arena space rather than overblown production.

I've seen this thread before but I didn't check it fast enough, but does anyone know if this was purely a jam or based upon material from either guitarist or GNR? I really liked what each guitarist brought to the plate during the duo, it did sound similar to Buckets solo work though so and I haven't listened to all 389798 albums from him so I thought one of you guys might be able to enlighten me.

Chinese was doomed from the start, whether you think it's a good album or not it had to live up to the success of the old line up, given the fact that it took so much time to be released and that it was released through a second rate distributor then it had no chance. It was only released due to the leaks, Axl wanted to create music and he did, he knew all along that without the old members his work would be shunned and laughed at no matter how good it was, we all know that another original guns album would have led to nothing special. The members wanted to go separate directions and instead of Chinese with its disjointed tracklist we would have got another album with a tracklist that was just as disjointed, any snakepit style songs would have felt empty, any punk songs would have felt behind their time, Axl's ballads would feel half hearted and Matt Sourm's drumming would still be shit.

How could this band have won? If they recreate AFD they would have caused chaos and if they released an industrial album they would have been shunned for not having that classic sound, so they released something that is almost half way between the illusions material and an evolved sound, maybe a trilogy of albums would have done the chinese lineup more justice. I personally still listen to the album and I go through phases of liking each cluster of songs, its almost like having 3 ep's within an album its great.

I even gave scraped a listen today, the song has actually grown on me recently, the way the vocals switch is great, the start is still really poor though

Chinese was doomed from the start, whether you think it's a good album or not it had to live up to the success of the old line up, given the fact that it took so much time to be released and that it was released through a second rate distributor then it had no chance. It was only released due to the leaks, Axl wanted to create music and he did, he knew all along that without the old members his work would be shunned and laughed at no matter how good it was, we all know that another original guns album would have led to nothing special. The members wanted to go separate directions and instead of Chinese with its disjointed tracklist we would have got another album with a tracklist that was just as disjointed, any snakepit style songs would have felt empty, any punk songs would have felt behind their time, Axl's ballads would feel half hearted and Matt Sourm's drumming would still be shit.

How could this band have won? If they recreate AFD they would have caused chaos and if they released an industrial album they would have been shunned for not having that classic sound, so they released something that is almost half way between the illusions material and an evolved sound, maybe a trilogy of albums would have done the chinese lineup more justice. I personally still listen to the album and I go through phases of liking each cluster of songs, its almost like having 3 ep's within an album its great.

Lots of misused terminology in this thread.

The mastering on chi dem is actually extremely good: dynamics are preserved, because they didn't redline the limiter. Listen to an avg pop song from today and then listen to chi dem, and you'll find chi dem to be a lot quieter. Rather, the "softer" parts of the song are quieter and the "harder" parts if the song are louder, so to speak.

I don't want to go into the science behind limiters in mastering, so go read it on wiki if you're interested.

The muddiness in chi dem is due strictly to the production: there are just too many layers of audio. With so many layers, you get pile ups in the frequency spectrum, which our brains interpret as muddiness.

The best way I can put this is that chi dem has noodling solos over almost every single part of the songs. Just fucking STOP NOODLING AND GUITAR-CENTER MASTURBATING for one god damn minute, and the frequency spectrum won't be so piled on. And that will allow more clarity to shine thru the songs.

But noooooo, Bumby needs to show, at all times, that he can play a million miles per hour. That's the difference between a soulless masturbator like Bumby and a talented guitarist like EVH: you have to know when to fucking STOP.

Great! That's it exactly, "noodling" around by bumblefoot compromised a lot of the songs, even Buckethead refrained from shredding his fingers to the bone for most of the album! Although some people see this as Buckethead not playing at his best I actually disagree, some of my favourite bucket songs are where he refrains and uses more soul and then transitions into a fast solo if he solo's at all, whitewash, padmasana and soothsayer would be examples of what I mean.

I was listening to CD the other day and its hard to believe that an album that took 14 odd years to release has such a muddy sound to it, some tracks are mastered perfectly (Sorry) but others such as Prostitute are horribly mastered and it just ruins the impact that each song has. Either too much is happening at once and my ears can't keep up or this album needs to be remastered, what do you guys think?

Maybe your ears are prepared for a loud mix like the ones Rick Rubin provides. But that's one of the main reason why rock isn't classic anymore.

I just want a classic appetite sound to the album, left right centre, no additional synth bullshit from Chris the goosefucker Pitman a straight up guitar, drums, bass and piano album would have been more than enough. I know Axl wanted to experiment with industrial sounds and push the envelope but all he ended up doing was pushing an envelope of cash right into Chris PItmans pocket, although the dude might be a nice guy he's a waste of space in a band like GNR.

If you want to hear the "Appetite sound" you can always listen to Appetite.

That's what I do anyway and it works a lot better than trying to hear it by listening to records that aren't Appetite.

NIce smart ass reply, I do listen to appetite and I don't mean I want to whack on Chinese and listen to its so easy version 2, I at least expected the album to be as easy to listen to and follow as appetite was. Don't get me wrong I love the album and I still think the songs rock but there is a certain something that's missing with the way the songs come across and its not related to who created the music it seems like a simple matter of too many things happening in each channel so you almost get confused at times. That said this "confusion" also adds to songs such as IRS where it just blows your head off because it can. If you strip songs like prostitute and TIL down to the very basic layers then you begin to hear the music for what it really is, I don't think that should be necessary when listening to an album.

That's one of the things I like the most about it- the plethora of layers and different dimensions of sound. I hear people say that they wanted to hear the record more raw and stripped down, but that doesn't seem like Axl. Axl does epic. Axl does epic. Axl does grandiose. When I think Axl, I don't really think raw and organic.

A song can still have a grandiose feel and be epic in terms of length and structure without having an barrage of instruments and noise, I know he had to find a balance between guitar parts and orchestra sections and on the most part he did this well but on others it comes across like certain parts were just thrown in to fill a void, especially the bumblefoot parts, the 2000 intentions demos still sounded great but they didn't have endless waves of unnecessary noise. I agree that Axl goes hand in hand with grandiose songs but he also kills a straight rocker especially with his earlier voice, he did sing with a cleaner tone on this album though whether that was out of choice or not is another matter but I understand your point.

Put it out on Blu Ray audio with all the mixes and let the fans mess with it on their computers. Brian Wilson had talked about doing that with "Smile" but as PC software, and we know Trent Reznor had done it before, this way you'd get to have fun messing around with the songs and coming up with your own mix, and the band makes a few bucks in the process.

Hopefully TB start coming up with ideas like this soon, because if they are going to milk the fans and not release any genuinely new material then this strategy for all the existing GNR albums would be great. The new update from Rock fuel was very promising, hopefully the sound on that release will be handled well.

I was listening to CD the other day and its hard to believe that an album that took 14 odd years to release has such a muddy sound to it, some tracks are mastered perfectly (Sorry) but others such as Prostitute are horribly mastered and it just ruins the impact that each song has. Either too much is happening at once and my ears can't keep up or this album needs to be remastered, what do you guys think?

Maybe your ears are prepared for a loud mix like the ones Rick Rubin provides. But that's one of the main reason why rock isn't classic anymore.

I just want a classic appetite sound to the album, left right centre, no additional synth bullshit from Chris the goosefucker Pitman a straight up guitar, drums, bass and piano album would have been more than enough. I know Axl wanted to experiment with industrial sounds and push the envelope but all he ended up doing was pushing an envelope of cash right into Chris PItmans pocket, although the dude might be a nice guy he's a waste of space in a band like GNR.

If you want to hear the "Appetite sound" you can always listen to Appetite.

That's what I do anyway and it works a lot better than trying to hear it by listening to records that aren't Appetite.

NIce smart ass reply, I do listen to appetite and I don't mean I want to whack on Chinese and listen to its so easy version 2, I at least expected the album to be as easy to listen to and follow as appetite was. Don't get me wrong I love the album and I still think the songs rock but there is a certain something that's missing with the way the songs come across and its not related to who created the music it seems like a simple matter of too many things happening in each channel so you almost get confused at times. That said this "confusion" also adds to songs such as IRS where it just blows your head off because it can. If you strip songs like prostitute and TIL down to the very basic layers then you begin to hear the music for what it really is, I don't think that should be necessary when listening to an album.

I think it sounds great, only at certain points do the layers get too intense but I thinks on purpose on Catcher and IRS. Those two are my favorites.

I love the sound on IRS. It sounds like an army of guitars. I really dig the layers of grooves... and the dashes of keys and synth on the song. There's a lot going on yet it doesn't get so muddled where you can't tell what is what. I always thought the reason they were able to accomplish that was precisely because of the mastering and Axl choosing to emphasize the dynamics rather than sacrifice them for the sake of loudness- which is what most bands seem to do these days.

I didn't mean that the album has to be louder, I just think that certain sections are in fact too loud and it prevents certain instruments from shining, maybe the overproduction led to this and I have just confused myself and you guys with what I meant? There are parts within the multitracks that I was never even able to distinguish until I heard them individually that was never the case with appetite or UYI

I was listening to CD the other day and its hard to believe that an album that took 14 odd years to release has such a muddy sound to it, some tracks are mastered perfectly (Sorry) but others such as Prostitute are horribly mastered and it just ruins the impact that each song has. Either too much is happening at once and my ears can't keep up or this album needs to be remastered, what do you guys think?

Maybe your ears are prepared for a loud mix like the ones Rick Rubin provides. But that's one of the main reason why rock isn't classic anymore.

I just want a classic appetite sound to the album, left right centre, no additional synth bullshit from Chris the goosefucker Pitman a straight up guitar, drums, bass and piano album would have been more than enough. I know Axl wanted to experiment with industrial sounds and push the envelope but all he ended up doing was pushing an envelope of cash right into Chris PItmans pocket, although the dude might be a nice guy he's a waste of space in a band like GNR.

Do you guys agree that alot of Bumblefoot's additions to the album (although they were technically impressive) seemed to change the direction that the previous members were taking it. For example his fretless solos and his addition to chinese' verses, I personally preferred bucketheads original Riad solo and I thought that the hollow verses of Chinese actually added to the atmosphere in the song.

I was listening to CD the other day and its hard to believe that an album that took 14 odd years to release has such a muddy sound to it, some tracks are mastered perfectly (Sorry) but others such as Prostitute are horribly mastered and it just ruins the impact that each song has. Either too much is happening at once and my ears can't keep up or this album needs to be remastered, what do you guys think?

I see what you're saying, but my main criticism is actually that there’s one-layer-too-much of production. Parts of the album sound really smooth and clean on an otherwise gritty song (Shackler’s).

It’s especially noticeable when you compare the album to the ‘06 leaks, with Better being the main culprit.

Yeah that's exactly it, I don't know if its additional instruments and the effects that they bring or whether its over production. When I listen to it with good quality headphone I tend to notice that the levels are all over the place compared to conventional rock records, sometimes pitmans synths make the guitar tracks hard to follow and vice versa, I guess that's what 14 years can do to an album though. A more raw version of the album would have been a much more enjoyable listen.