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I was listening to CD the other day and its hard to believe that an album that took 14 odd years to release has such a muddy sound to it, some tracks are mastered perfectly (Sorry) but others such as Prostitute are horribly mastered and it just ruins the impact that each song has. Either too much is happening at once and my ears can't keep up or this album needs to be remastered, what do you guys think?

Talking about soundcloud and gnr...

I think its safe to say that version is better than DJ Ashba's! I didn't like how he was quick to claim it was only a rough version that he had made because surely if you are sending remixes to Axl Rose (the "perfectionist") you would have a BETTER demo ready!

Do you even look at anything before you post it, or just post anything you see. Look at the comments below the soundcloud, they are from a month ago

Mr.Street Of Dreams at 1.39 19 days ago

@Adilson Júnior 25: EVADER done it for me in Adobe Audition 3.0.

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  Mr.Street Of Dreams at 1.39 about 1 month ago

  @Adilson Júnior 25: It was evader that have done it.

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  Adilson Júnior 25 at 1.39 about 1 month ago

  you did it in Audacity?

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  Mr.Street Of Dreams at 0.32 about 1 month ago

  And for those who are thinkin' i'm lyin' here : yup,there is some parts of Tokyo 1992.but,this music was about 75% recorded,vocally speaking.

Somebody's having a bad day? Yes I did read the comments Sir and yes I saw that they had stated it was real ( I thought that myGNR would be able to elaborate), however you didn't answer my question about there being any more recordings from that period?

The vocals are from Live Era, but like a lot of the songs on that album, vocals were re-recorded. Not sure in which parts.

sweet, cheers man that clears things up

Hi guys, I found this on soundcloud and thought I would ask if its real or not and if it is are there any more recordings from that period?

https://soundcloud.com/mrstreetofdreams/axl-rose-estranged-acapella

There has to be material from the old band. They used to record their shows, rehearsals and behind the scenes extravaganzas. There is at least one album worth of material that Duff commented on that they had worked on. It wasnt 2000 intentions but one with the old line up mostly intact.

Legally speaking this GNR is not structured the same as the old GNR and id bet that there is some behind the scenes legal suites to block access to any and all of the old material. Axl cockblocked the old band from capitalizing on the idea that the old music could be utilized in movies..even went so far as to have the new band record the whole AFD material ..(and did so under the guise that they had to learn it in the first place)The real reason was to reduce actual revenue streams to the old group. Its complicated but the actual playing and using of the song increase in % depending on who is playing on the recording.

But take for instance the use of WTTJ in BlackHawk Down...that would have been a bonanza for old GNR to make some revenue off of but Axl flat out denied the use of it.

That legal manouver is so common in the US. A corporation can disperse and cease to exist legally and then turn around and restructure with the same name, same CEO,Same board and same players/employees etc BUT dump its stockholders and its pension plans and benifit policies.It can even change the terms of employment. It declares that it has gone out of business when in fact all it has done is shift laterly. It has dicked millions of people out of their retirement pensions and investment portfolios while consolidating its assets under another legal entity.Most of our car manufactures have done it, major electronic firms and manufacturing firms like Whirlpool. Its a shitty and unfair thing to do but it is legal.Insideof that manouver is also the protection of any of the old assets and business affairs from lawsuits. It absolves any wrongdoing of the Ceo and board from further legal threats to their assets etc...(for Axl that could have been a motivating factor given the myriad of legal issues he commented on in 08)

This is exactly what Axl did with GNR. He got the name, ended the old corporation and then turned around and made former memebers of that corporation ..hired employees and it changed thier ability to capitalize on OLD GNR ASSETS.

So many in this forum dont understand when they say "Slash quit the band" No Slash was reduced to a minor player and hired hand for AXLS new GNR entity.He and Duff and the rest of the crew were no longer able to make any decisions or choices in the direction , execution and image of GNR. Axl stated that way back in 95 when he said that Slash hadnt done business with GNR for something like 2 years.

When a band is signed they form a legal entity that defines who and what their business is about. Depending on the structure.. often its equal imput from the members. This was true of OLD GNR. TO make financial and business decisions required a vote. Just as in any and all corporations do. That was eliminated when Axl "quit" and legally disolved the old GNR legal entity and turned around and formed new GNR. That is what Paul Huge was doing on the record without consultation to the rest of the newly formed GNR entity but at that time the same band structure of old UYI era GNR. It was a shot across the bow of Slash and the rest of them that they would have NO SAY in the future business of GNR. That was Axls legal right. Thats what was behind him seeking out Fink before Slash departed. Absolute control over the GNR empire and its future enterprises.

Consider how controlled the present era is on band exposes like magazines features,photoshoots, cross over promotions, celebrity functions particularly when it is GNR related. Notice how squimish some of them get when asked about the future of GNR. Evasive to a large degree or vague about concrete plans. Im betting that none of them feel tremedously secure in thier positions. That isnt because the band doesnt want recognition or promotion individually as rockstars and music makers- that is Axls doing. The take home message is teh band...are employees and will remain in the background until further notice.

To further demonstrate how it would work. One day your the vice president of a megamillion dollar enterprise and you sit on the board making major decisions. You have a corner office and accesses to the companies assets, wealth fame control.... then the next day your a desk jockey in a cubicle getting coffee for your former equals with a reduced role and reduced salary and subject to termination at will.

Although the legal jargon and the notion of this idea may seem correct I think that there were many more reasons as to why Axl thought it was necessary to have the GNR name signed over. Not only has it been proven that Slash and Duff signed over the name in far different circumstances than they initially stated we as fans don't know the full story, whether it was just Axl's being an egomaniac or the old band being a bunch of drugged up wasters. They made good music but did bad business in a sense that's their own problem and although they seemed to have a level hatred towards Axl during the first few years of leaving the band that has dried up in recent years and I think if they had been swindled by him in a way that you are suggesting then this hatred would have never left them. Also you seem to have forgot that Axl, along with Izzy and the very first line up came up with the name so once Slash, Duff and Adler came in it was in theory still his and Izzy's band name, obviously there would have been legal documents signed when they joined the label that gave them equal ownership of the material that they appeared on but once Izzy left then this was Axl's name. I personally think that the original band wanted to go in separate directions and this led to feuds within the band and the guys that left did so on their own accord, they also signed the name over willingly and its their own fault for not considering the consequences of doing so. I'd like to believe that Axl was the innocent party but it takes two to tango and his personality has forced members to leave since (Bucket). Possibly an abbreviated name such as GNR could have been a better solution, but ultimately Axl wanted to take the band in the direction that he saw fit and if he had been able to do so within the first 5 years of the band splitting or even with the old band members then I believe Guns would still be as big as they were, unfortunately he took forever and a day to release any new music and although I like Chinese I can fully understand why people would hate it, maybe he wanted to allow the band to develop their own ideas and work as a unit, that could be why scraped and some of the more left field songs made it onto the album or It could be that he did genuinely save the best material for an independently released album (I'm pretty sure Geffen had 1 album left on the contract), if this is the case then I can understand why he would put out such a mixture of songs on one album, it allowed him to test the waters, plan for the next album and go in the right direction. Unfortunately this is optimistic thinking and his plan backfired because Guns is now nothing more than a cover band mess that fails to put out any new music, who knows maybe he will surprise us and we will get a double album with chinese leftovers and a more appetite sounding record from the new band (I can't see any other reason for DJ being in the band). What do you guys think?

I was going through youtube videos comparing Finck and Ashba and trying to judge who is the best slash replacement and although finck had no style whatsoever (he looked like a hobo) he was considerably better than Ashba . Is Ashba capable of playing the songs correctly and he is just adding his over style (because lets face it playing someone else music day in day out must be boring) or does he just lack the technical ability? My biggest gripe is the fact that he leaves the second part of the SCOM solo for Bumble to play, this goes against everything that Ashba stands for, he is usually an attention whore so playing the whole of SCOM doesn't get any bigger in terms of memorable moments (its the biggest commercial song from the GNR catalogue, bar WTTJ). If he isn't technically gifted then why the fudge would Axl hire him alongside bumble and fortus?!?

Wasn't there speculation some of it was about Dylan?

In what way? Who would be the prostitute in that scenario? I think it's a very thought out song which at face value just seems like another bitter jibe but I think it runs slightly deeper than that, most of the time his lyrics are misconstrued IMO.

The song is clearly about All prostituting himself but do you guys think he is referring to the old band or a past lover? My favourite part of the song is "forgive what you have, for what you might lose" I think that's lyricism at its finest, why do people hate on ChiDem so much?!?

I think the album that was released was so inconsistent purely because of the way it was recorded, so many members came and went that it was really just an album of loops, cuts and samples, it had no real structure. The wide variety of guitar players was the main flaw because of how certain styles really did not blend well, bumble and bucket for example are talented musicians but an album with them both on can only sound like a wall of noise thats given to you at 15 notes per second. The level of grandiose envisioned was met within certain sections of songs only to be ruined by unnecessary effects or tones. Chris pitman was also the worst thing to happen to Guns N' Roses since the original members split.

Does anybody know where I can get correct lyrics for this song and possibly a guitar tab?

Even though Chinese Democracy was a great album I always thought that it lacked the punch of previous albums, CD had some grandiose moments but no killer riffs, it also had too many things going on at once, the finger tapping and fretless guitar work was also a bit of a bad addition (no matter how hard it is to play technically it just isn't Guns) . Since Dj joined there seems to be more of a blues feel and the general backbone of the band seems to be back. Do you guys think that any of the songs Dj has made for Axl will fit the bill? Is this guy the real deal or just a stage show?

Thats a stupid point, he free to say his opinion on whatever he like's he's not toning down the musical acomplishment but the months it took to make appetite dont compare to the years of blood sweat and tears he put into chinese democracy and all the unrealeased material ofc he's going to be more emotionally attached to CD its took him like a 3rd of his life to release, and thats against all the shit that old members have put out there.