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How many bands did GnR slag off??
Slash slagged off Pearl Jam and Nine Inch Nails, at the very least.
Axl said Bon Jovi could suck his dick and I'm pretty sure he had unkind things to say about the real hair metal bands that were out around the same time as GN'R. He also commented negatively on Nirvana and the whole Alt. Rock movement when they started commenting negatively on him and Guns.
When did slash slag off pearl jam?
"Everybody used to go, "What's gonna happen when Guns is no longer.. when a new fad comes along?" or whatever. And I'd be, "I don't give a fuck". And I watched it happen, and it didn't matter to me. With Axl it mattered a hell of a lot. Next thing you know, he wants to be Pearl Jam, right? Why? I hate Pearl Jam anyway, so what's the point? And it's great to watch Pearl Jam going through what they're going through, cos I'm going, "See Axl?"
--Slash, 11/1995
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How many bands did GnR slag off??
Slash slagged off Pearl Jam and Nine Inch Nails, at the very least.
Axl said Bon Jovi could suck his dick and I'm pretty sure he had unkind things to say about the real hair metal bands that were out around the same time as GN'R. He also commented negatively on Nirvana and the whole Alt. Rock movement when they started commenting negatively on him and Guns.
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strange isnt it how the media reports these things
Death and Taxes said of the suit
"Not willing to face up to the fact that it was a complete dud, Axl Rose is suing his former manager Irving Azoff for allegedly sabotaging sales of comeback album Chinese Democracy."
http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/tag/axl-rose-sue-irving-azoff/
cant find the other example i was thinking of right now, but so many of them seem to acting like Axl is the bad guy for sticking up for himself, his band and HIS intellectual and creative property. I find that disgusting journalism!
can you imagine if somebody that the media liked more like Elton John or Bowie were in a similar position to Axl right now? they would be hailed as the saving grace of music and bastians of truth sticking up for the smaller artist again the big bad Azzoff. why do they still have to be negative about Axl?
Fair or not that is what happens when you fuck over people and treat the press like shit. Axl has burned a lot of bridges in the past so why should you be surprised that no one, other than his fans on the forums. support him when negative shit happens to him.
As the saying goes "be careful how you treat people on the way up top because you might meet them on the way down"
Sorry, man, but that is bullshit to a certain extent. Axl has ignored the press for many years. That is not "treating them like shit" as in the entire entity of the music press. Yes, he's had issues with specific journalists and obviously doesn't like doing press. But, that in and of itself isn't treating the entity of the press like shit. And certainly, that doesn't explain why this particular journalist I've never heard of has issues with Axl. This journalist making snide remarks about Axl is simply an example of following as others have done, a sheep mentality.
Ali
Axl is the Richard Nixon of the music industry. For 15 years, ever since Slash left, the press have had a lot of fun. A lot of fun. And they've had an opportunity to attack him and I think he's given as good as he's taken. The press must recognize that they have a right and a responsibility, if they are against a musician, give him the shaft, but also recognize, if they give him the shaft, put one lonely reporter on the case who will report what the guy actually says now and then.
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Which one looks like Jimmy Page?
Slash.
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On the Beatles:
The Beatles were so big that it's hard for people not alive at the time to realize just how big they were. There isn't a real comparison with anyone now. I suppose Michael Jackson at one point, but it still doesn't quite seem the same. They were so big that to be competitive with them was impossible. I'm talking about in record sales and tours and all this. They were huge... They certainly were not a great live band. Maybe they were in the days of the Cavern, when they were coming up as a club band. I'm sure they were hilariously funny and all that. And they did have this really good onstage persona. But as far as the modern-day world, they were not a great performing band. But... (t)hey were the Beatles. They were this forerunning, breakthrough item, and that's hard to overestimate. - Mick Jagger, 1995.
On Bob Dylan:
Whatever these sweet young things who dig Dylan say, I bet they don't understand much of what he is doing. We play a lot of his LPs, Brian and I, and quite a lot of his lyrics don't mean anything to us. I have nothing against Dylan or Donovan but I'm sick to the back teeth about the characters who are just climbing on a craze, that think they can make quite a fortune.- Keith Richards, 1966
On Pete Townshend:
I always loved Pete. He's very bright, always thinking. He had this insane, rebellious, self-destructive streak.... But I love Pete. He was an exciting performer in the heyday of the Who.
- Mick Jagger, 1995
On Jimi Hendrix:
Jimi Hendrix could play the ass off anyone. I think he was as good a blues player as B.B. King is. I think he could do it standing on his head, you know what I mean?- Mick Jagger, 1971
I loved Jimi Hendrix from the beginning. The moment I saw him, I thought he was fantastic. I was an instant convert. Mr. Jimi Hendrix is the best thing I've ever seen. It was exciting, sexy, interesting. He didn't have a very good voice but made up for it with this guitar.... I was quite friendly with him. He was a really sweet guy. A bit confused.- Mick Jagger, 1995
On Led Zeppelin:
I played their album quite a few times when I first got it, but then the guy's voice started to get on my nerves. I don't know why; maybe he's a little too acrobatic. But Jimmy Page is a great guitar player. - Keith Richards, 1969
I just read in Sounds the poll for awards. (Shakes his head in disagreement) For best songwriter, it said Robert Plant, Jimmy Page, followed by Ritchie Blackmore and some amazing people I don't know. England is very strange, as far as its music goes. - Keith Richards, 1977
Iggy Pop & The Velvet Underground:
Iggy (Pop)'s all right. I saw him with David Bowie on that last tour - the band was pretty ropey, I thought. Here, but listen, I know who started all that! Lou Reed. Lou Reed started everything about that style of music, the whole sound and the way you play it. I mean, even WE'VE been influenced by the Velvet Underground... No, really. I'll tell you exactly what we pinched from the very first Velvet Underground album. You know, the sound on Heroin. Honest to God, we did! (see "Stray Cat Blues", opening guitar lick)- Mick Jagger, 1977
JOHN LENNON & PAUL MCCARTNEY
I liked John very much to start. We all had a good relationship with John. He seemed to be in sympathy with our kind of music, so we used to go out to clubs a lot... He was educated and very smart and cynical and funny and really amusing company. He had a very funny take on the rest of the Beatles... But I used to get on with Paul as well. Paul is very nice and easy to get on with - didn't have the acerbic side. You always knew with John, you're gonna be on the end of a lot of sarcastic remarks that you weren't always in the mood for. - Mick Jagger, 1995
No, I'm not at all interested in what (Paul McCartney) does. Unfortunately, John Lennon's dead...- Keith Richards, 1997
THE NEW YORK DOLLS
Ugh, the New York Dolls! What a load of rubbish! - Mick Jagger, 1977
ELTON JOHN
Lovely bloke, but posing. - Keith Richards, 1988
Yeah, (seeing Elton John singing at the Princess Di funeral) did jar a bit. Songs for Dead Blonds. But he was a personal friend, after all. I'd find it difficult to ride on the back of something like that myself, but Reg is showbiz.- Keith Richards, 1997
AEROSMITH
Oh God, Aerosmith! They're just rubbish - absolute bullshit. The singer (Steve Tyler) is quite a nice guy, mind you. He's almost too bloody sweet. He's very kind to me, anyway (smirk). Yeah, you know what I mean. He's such a little sweetheart, really - what can you do with him? Punch 'im in the mouth? Here, what are you playing at, fuckin' impersonating me? - Slam! (Laughs)- Mick Jagger, 1977
THE SEX PISTOLS
Well (if Johnny Rotten said we should have retired in 1965), then he should definitely retire next year. He was on Tops of the Pops in England and that was a cop-out for the Sex Pistols. It's difficult for Americans to know what Top of the Pops means, but it's the only pop music show on television - and I do mean pop - and the only place for Top Twenty records and it's the most banal - it's aimed at a real teeny market, people with clean hair ad all that.... Now they're on the front of the Rolling Stone. That's a real cop-out. If I was Johnny Rotten, I wouldn't do either. I wouldn't do Top of the Pops and I'd tell Rolling Stone to go fuck themselves... I don't care what Johnny Rotten says. Everything Johnny Rotten says about me is only 'cause he loves me 'cause I'm so good. It's true. (Grins)... I'm not pleased at Johnny Rotten, who says all these nasty things about me. I know that he feels he has to because I'm, along with the Queen, you know, one of the best things England's got.- Mick Jagger, 1977
I don't think that Bowie or Johnny Rotten or all the Zeppelins are anywhere in the future let alone the present. Jagger believes punk is today, is now. To think you've got to do something new just for the sake of doing it isn't real. It's the equivalent to when a lot of Dixieland bands added electric guitars, calling themselves R&B just to stay up with the times. For a band of the Stones' position to do that would have been ludicrous. It's fatal for the Stones to try that. Why the fuck do WE have to sound like the Sex Pistols for? What's the point of listening to that shit? It's for mass-media consumption.- Keith Richards, c. 1977-78
THE CLASH
I don't feel connected with bands like the Clash, the bands that still play every night. I can only see them as repeats of everything that happened before. I think it's a bit unfortunate, too, but I think no one would disagree with me. Most musicians in fact do agree with me. Bands like the Selector and the Specials, which are good bands, are repeats too. I mean, I saw bands like that in 1959. It's the same old thing done slightly differently. I like some of the shows I've seen.- Mick Jagger, 1981
THE STRANGLERS
Don't you think the Stranglers are the worst thing you've ever fuckin' heard? I do. They're hideous, rubbishy... so bloody stupid. Fuckin' nauseatin', they are.- Mick Jagger, 1977
AC/DC
I've always liked AC/DC, all right?[/]- Keith Richards, 1988
DURAN DURAN
Q: Do you like their records?
Mick: Who?
Q: Duran Duran.
Mick: (Closes eyes, smiles, remains silent for 15 seconds.)
Q: Uh, right...
Mick: (Laughs) C'mon, Chris, gimme a BREAK! - Mick Jagger, 1984
PRINCE
I happen to think Prince is probably the best of all the newer (artists)... In his position, doing what he does, with what he does, he's by far and away the best, I think. Most exciting, Prince is... He's a good player, as well. When you're that good, you don't start nowhere. You can't be half of these guys unless you're grounded and, on top of that, have a very good natural ability.- Charlie Watts, 1994
It's fashionable to knock Prince now because he seems to have gone off on a tangent (laughs)... No, I think Prince is a great artist, very traditional in some ways. Prince has been overlooked. But he's so incredibly in the mold of the James Brown sort of performer. He broke a lot of musical modes and invented a lot of styles and couldn't keep up with himself. Very prolific, which is rare. Mostly people write three songs and repeat themselves. Prince has a lot of talent as a writer, and I've seen great performances by Prince. He's outperformed almost everyone. I'd rate him at the top. I don't think there's a lot of competition from new artists.
- Mick Jagger, 1995
RAP
I mean, I've had enough of bloody rap. (Imitates rap over knee-slapped beat.) I mean, Mary had a little lamb, her fleece was white as fucking snow. What's the attraction of that? This is kindergarten shit. It's like karaoke. But I'm making records that people can listen to. Obviously, the attraction is there, until they all shoot each other - and they're doing a good job of it. If you want to hear good rap, you should listen to early Jamaican dub, which is some really interesting stuff. At least they didn't keep it to just one meter.- Keith Richards, 1997
U2
I like U2; I really do. I think Bono, especially, has something special.- Keith Richards, 1988
INXS
INXS I'm quite interested in.- Keith Richards, 1988
GEORGE MICHAEL
Shave and go home. A wimp in disguise.- Keith Richards, 1988
GUNS 'N' ROSES
I admire their guts. But too much posing. Their look - it's like there's one out of this band, one looks like Jimmy (Page), one looks like Ronnie. Too much copycat, too much posing for me.[/]- Keith Richards, 1988
NIRVANA & PEARL JAM
I'm not in love with things at the moment. I was never crazy about Nirvana - too angst-ridden for me. I like Pearl Jam. I prefer them to a lot of other bands. There's a lot of angst in a lot of it, which is one of the great things to tap into. But I'm not a fan of moroseness...
- Mick Jagger, 1995
THE RED HOT CHILI PEPPERS
The Chili Peppers have a sort of sense of the theatrical, but they can't take it anywhere. It's become a bit cliché, just a guitar thing. Everybody wants to be Neil Young, and Pearl Jam is trying to drive ticket prices down. Doing that, they will never get themselves on a stage this big.[/]- Mick Jagger, 1995
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Sounds a bit boring if im honest.
What's boring about good, fun, rock?
Is it any worse than 3 minute long intros to songs about heartbreak, bitterness and being screwed over?
Yes.
I much prefer Axl's craziness to outdated dad rock.
The term "dad rock" is fucking retarded.
And Axl's songs are pretty outdated given they were written and in some cases recorded 8-10 years before the album came out. It's not exactly like CD was some cutting edge, musical revolution.
You do a complete 180 every new fuckin' user name you retard.
Call it what you like i'm just trying to explain what a like and don't. I've always liked GnR cause they're something more than that predictable -dime a dozen rock band.
Actually for the most of the last 5 years I've been visiting this forum I was a devoted Axl-lite...My opinions and musical tastes have changed in the last few months on a lot.
Was Guns a "predictable dime a dozen rock band" from '87-'94 when they were producing fun rock music?
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Sounds a bit boring if im honest.
What's boring about good, fun, rock?
Is it any worse than 3 minute long intros to songs about heartbreak, bitterness and being screwed over?
Yes.
I much prefer Axl's craziness to outdated dad rock.
The term "dad rock" is fucking retarded.
And Axl's songs are pretty outdated given they were written and in some cases recorded 8-10 years before the album came out. It's not exactly like CD was some cutting edge, musical revolution.
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What's boring about good, fun, rock?
Is it any worse than 3 minute long intros to songs about heartbreak, bitterness and being screwed over?
It has it's place but maybe Axl got fed up of doing that years ago and wanted Guns to develop into something with a broader spectrum.
There's plenty of fun rock bands out there if you just want that.
You can be fun while still being deep. That's what's wrong with CD. It's deep...but not fun.
And it's repetitive. Every other song is about Axl's misfortune and overcoming struggles.
There's nothing...idk...imaginative.
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Sounds a bit boring if im honest.
What's boring about good, fun, rock?
Is it any worse than 3 minute long intros to songs about heartbreak, bitterness and being screwed over?
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While I personally don't hate Rebecca Black as many do, I do wonder if the great hatred towards her song might actually cause a backlash to that whole electro-pop/manufactured pop sound that's been infecting the air waves since Gaga?
It'd be nice for some raw, fun rock (think Susie Q) to come back.
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I think a great way to really introduce this band, and get people acquainted with the guitarists would be to have the next album be very guitar heavy--Traditional riffs and licks and solos and whatnot. No effects or keyboards or 3 minute intros, just a rollicking, fun, dirty rock album. It'd be good at showing off the guitarists' capabilities.
Think something along the lines of Led Zeppelin's Presence. Take all the frills, fluff and layers off and let these guitarists do what they're best at.
taking all the frills, fluff and layers would probably necessitate removing one of the guitarists as well. Most likely Ron.
To be honest, if any of the guitarist was to go, I'd much rather it be Ron.
DJ & Richard could bring the ''sleaze'' back to GN'R, and you really don't need two guitarists in the studio given overdubbing. If Axl really wants the three guitar, fuller sound, just make Ron a touring member. I think two lead guitarists (along with two keyboardists) is a bit much in Guns, I've never been a fan of the three guitar set up.
Just have a lead guitar, a rhythm guitar, a bassist, drums and Dizzy on keyboards. The world needs some great, but basic rock and roll. Too much effects and fake sounding crap as it is.
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No.
It'd have 3 original members, same amount which GN'R had in 1991-1994.
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I think a great way to really introduce this band, and get people acquainted with the guitarists would be to have the next album be very guitar heavy--Traditional riffs and licks and solos and whatnot. No effects or keyboards or 3 minute intros, just a rollicking, fun, dirty rock album. It'd be good at showing off the guitarists' capabilities.
Think something along the lines of Led Zeppelin's Presence. Take all the frills, fluff and layers off and let these guitarists do what they're best at.
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Whose to say these are the guys Axl wants to write the next album with? Maybe they are just for touring.
Very possibly true. Even though Axl liked Gilby and got along with him on stage, the idea of actually writing with Gilby was never on the table (for Axl).
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Would you have considered the following lineup as a "real" version of GN'R:
Axl
Buckethead
Izzy
Duff
Josh Freese
Dizzy
Chris
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Will it be poison put in my glass
Will it be slow or will it be fast?
The bite of a snake, the sting of a spider
A drink of Belladonna on a Toussaint night!
Hiding in a corner in New York City
Lookin' down a forty-four in West Virginny
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I think the problem with Punk was a throwback--a throwback to the 50s rawer version of rock (compared to what bands like Yes, Pink Floyd and Led Zeppelin had become by '77). But that's the problem--they were just a throwback. They offered little new. Rush, Yes, Pink Floyd, Zep and the like were taking rock into new directions, grounds never touched, stretching rock beyond conventional borders. They offered new things, new ideas, making rock something beyond just teenage anger and lust. Punk was an old idea recycled for a new decade which longed for yesterday (there was tons of nostalgia for the 50s in the 1970s).
And IMO, the Stones and their heirs, the Glam (Mott the Hoople, T-Rex) were the real ''next step'' from the rock of the 50s...Not Punk.
Wow..this is off the mark in so many ways.
Just...gah...can't be bothered
I've just never seen the whole point of Punk. Being edgy, angry and raging at society all the time gets boring to listen to after a while.
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I think the problem with Punk was a throwback--a throwback to the 50s rawer version of rock (compared to what bands like Yes, Pink Floyd and Led Zeppelin had become by '77). But that's the problem--they were just a throwback. They offered little new. Rush, Yes, Pink Floyd, Zep and the like were taking rock into new directions, grounds never touched, stretching rock beyond conventional borders. They offered new things, new ideas, making rock something beyond just teenage anger and lust. Punk was an old idea recycled for a new decade which longed for yesterday (there was tons of nostalgia for the 50s in the 1970s).
And IMO, the Stones and their heirs, the Glam (Mott the Hoople, T-Rex) were the real ''next step'' from the rock of the 50s...Not Punk.
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I know back in the 70s, and even to this day, Disco is considered by quite a few to be a blight on music history; a black mark, a dark moment, etc. Things got so tense that Disco records were burned; The famous "Disco Sucks" pin and t-shirt came into being.
Disco went from breaking into the mainstream and hitting popularity around '73-'75, exploding as the biggest music at least in the States in '76-'78 to being utterly hated and disdained by '79-'81. Truly an interesting and really wild history--I don't think any musical trend has ever came so large and burnt out so soon and crashed so hard. It went from literally being the biggest music in the country to being near universally reviled in just two or three years.
But I never got the absolute hate that the music and the scene associated with it got. To me, a lot of Disco's music was just fun and a good time, it was very urban and very much built for the gritty city goers like New Yorkers and the like, and it's lyrics were VERY real, especially compared to the stuff that rock groups were putting out by the late '70s.
I mean a song like Stayin' Alive--That song was RELEVANT, especially in 1977, with the incredibly violent NYC black out and the Son of Sam killings that same Summer; the malaise of Jimmy Carter and the like. And really it's a timeless song.
But then you got really inventive, just instrumental stuff, like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLUiNAdP-v4
And tons of other great songs. And the scene around it was cool, I love the way they dressed, the hairstyles, etc. If this was 1977 and I had to choose between being a hard rocker, a punk or a disco kid, I'd have to choose Disco.
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i've spent a lifetime and a small fortune on "gnr." I do think axl owes me something. doesn't have to be free tunes, a reunion, or even a tour.
I just want him to acknowledge that he does have fans and that he didn't magically do all this by himself.
Axl didn't ask you or force you to '''spend a lifetime and a small fortune on "gnr" though.
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Does that mean he's kind of saying, "Yes, I'm going to be late to RIR"?
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"...the band sounds WAY BETTER these days than they ever did on the UYI tours"
"Actually, the band was embarrassingly bad back then, mostly because slash and duff were so inebriated that they couldn't play worth a shit."
This is exactly how it is. And you can see this by just comparing VR to GNR for example.
Excerpt that version of the band (Axl/Slash/Duff) was the biggest band in the world and sold out stadiums with ease....and this one struggles to sell out arenas here.
Well...when it comes to selling out, we all know who...*cough* *cough*
Stop living in the past.
Old Guns N Roses is like playing Nintendo 8-bits. In your head, you remember it being so good. And when you pop it in to play in 2011 - you understand that time has passed by and that there are way better games out there.
I prefer Super Nintendo and Sega Genesis to more modern systems.
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"...the band sounds WAY BETTER these days than they ever did on the UYI tours"
"Actually, the band was embarrassingly bad back then, mostly because slash and duff were so inebriated that they couldn't play worth a shit."
This is exactly how it is. And you can see this by just comparing VR to GNR for example.
Excerpt that version of the band (Axl/Slash/Duff) was the biggest band in the world and sold out stadiums with ease....and this one struggles to sell out arenas here.
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