MANETS.FOREVER

That's ridiculous compared to the album production post. The music of the album is paied and finished, that's what I meant.

but you're counting songs that aren't either done, or released yet, what if he decides to re-record them?

You're counting chickens that haven't hatched yet.

Exactly! If GN'R decides to release an album with the remaining songs, the album has a guarantee of profit, even it sells only half copy, because all the costs to it are paied.

Axl is genius B)

Video: http://ultimosegundo.ig.com.br/brasil/rj/fila+para+compra+de+ingressos+do+rock+in+rio+atravessa+tunel+na+zona+sul+carioca/n1596943836339.html#1

Commercial Success = When the profit is bigger than the cost.

/thread.

I've used this as an argument many times, and I decided to develop it.

The Chinese Democracy total cost is $14,000,000, for all the produced songs throw the years. There's not an exact number of how many songs are there, but I believe the biggest report we had from a band member is 36. Notice that the less songs, bigger the profit, and I'm taking the biggest reported number.

$14,000,000 for 36 songs leads us to an average of $388,888.888 for song, let's make it $389,000.

OK then, we have 36 songs with a price of $389,000 each.

On 2008 Best Buy paied $14,000,000 to have access to 14 songs (Which had previously leaked, so notice that Axl sold to Best Buy for an absurd price something we've had for years for free).

Best Buy paied $1,000,000 for each of the 14 songs they bought, but it's production cost was "only" $389,000 each.

14x389,000 = 5,446,000.

There you are, that's the price of the UMG album launched in 2008, $5,446,000, and not 14 million as reported by the stupid media.

If Best Buy paied $14,000,000 for the $5,446,000 album, that gives Guns N' Roses an instant profit of $8,554,000. INSTANT PROFIT.

And not only, all the 22 remaining songs are already paied, so any future sequence is already paied, with a guarante of profit, since all the costs are paied.

Best Buy paied Chinese Democracy I, II and III to have Chinese Democracy I.

So yeah, $8,554,000 of instant profit, so even if Chinese Democracy had sold 0 copies it would be considered a commercial sucess, since the profit was bigger than the cost. But guess what... it sold more than 5 million copies!

And with 50+ concerts on 2009-2011 with the cost of $1,300,000 each (producer TOLD ME by the phone when I managed to call them saying I was a journalist from São Paulo Daily making an article about the GNR South American tour lol), leads us to a big, big amount of money earned by Mr. Rose on the last 3 years.

The numbers don't lie. Saying NuGNR or even Chinese Democracy is a faliure is stupid, and not correct. This is a fact, you can't argue with it.

But hey what can I do? Haters gonna hate.

axl_on_drums, here is the time table:

Rock in Rio has the answer. But I have an optimistic feeling.

Evanescence announced as the other opening act.

So, the line-up is fully announced.

October 2nd

World Stage

Detonautas

Pitty

Evanescence

System Of A Down

Guns N' Roses

MyGNR meeting at Rock in Rio? Let's do it!

Where do non-Brazilians go to buy tickets?

Here.

By the way, 25th September online tickets also sold out to Brazil, so the whole first weekend sold out on the internet.

September 23rd and September 24th SOLD OUT.

I like the fact that Beta is also in the pool.

lol

Obsessed with models? Well, usually models are very beatiful women, and I prefer very beatiful women too.

That's not an obsession.

hehe

I believe Dave plays on "Oh My God." Zakk and Slash have both said that the two of them can't play together as the style is too similar. GNR really doesn't need three guitarists.

Yeah, Dave plays on OMG.

During the South American Tour last year he met the brazilian top model Ellen Jabour and they dated for a while... Well, actually she toured with them during almost the whole tour. I don't know if they are still together.

Axl, Vanessa Lebeis (on the couch), unknown, Ellen and Fernando Lebeis.

any proof/quotes to do with chris shiflet? not heard that one before

Sure! I'll translate it. If you guys want me to translate any other, just say.

So pleased I did a google image search for Nick Sterling.

Shit!

Nick Sterling??! Proof or link or get to fuck

lol

I don't have the link, but there are some, about him talking about it, Bumblefoot talking about it. There's even a video where he talks about it.

He rehearsaled with Guns N' Roses on 2009, Ron invited him. They didn't have a 3rd guitarist, Robin had left. It was clearly an audition. There was a big thread here about it. Just use the "awesome" search engine.

Nah. Missed it. Thanks.

You think Guns N' Roses should have more stars on the band? Check out who almost joined the band when the Illusions band was breaking up and Axl was still mounting the 2000 Intentions line-up:

GUITAR

- Dave Navarro, from Jane's Addiction and Red Hot Chilli Peppers (1991 and 1999).

- Zakk Wylde, from Ozzy Osbourne and Black Label Society.(1995).

- Chris Shiflett, from Foo Fighters (1997).

- Zim Zum, from Marilyn Manson and Nine Inch Nails (1999).

- Richard Fortus (2000).

- Stevie Salas.

- Nick Sterling, from Sebastian Bach Band (2009).

DRUMS

- Tico Torres, from Bon Jovi (1990).

- Igor Cavalera, from Sepultura and Cavalera Conspiracy (1997).

- Dave Abbruzzese, from Pearl Jam (1997).

- Chris Vrenna, from Nine Inch Nails (1997).

Someone posted at GNR Brasil, with pictures, videos, interviews and quotes from the guys regarding them joining (or not) GNR. Didn't feel like translating everything

Well, the Stevie Salas quote is very interesting, I'll translate it:

"When we jamed, each of them was using ProTools, adding some noises - you know, bells and whistles - and the idea was that, from what I could understand, they would record hours of music for then search for some part that could turn into a song. Then they take that piece of the music and start from there. I thought they were all insane"

lol

01:47

(:

Look, if you truly believe, with 100% sure that we will get a new album this year and that Guns N' Roses will play new songs at Rock in Rio, you're stupid.

If you don't believe at all that such things could happen, you're also stupid.

The right one is like the "beta" version.

No, they didn't.

Can't help but look at that, the massive potential there, and look now at where we are today and I just wonder to myself for the second time with this band - Where did it all go wrong?

They're gonna try again this year. New begining. New era.

I'll be there.

Dude, you know this is the end of MyGNR and not GN'R, right?