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I'd venture to say the Pink Floyd comparison is unwarranted for the fact that after Roger Waters left, you still had David Gilmour, Nick Mason, and Richard Wright. Also they are just as big as GN'R ever were, probably bigger. And Roger Waters reconciled with Gilmour for one gig in the mid 2000s. Damnit, now I wish they'd do one final tour/album so I could see them live. Now that was an amazing band.

You can't have Pink Floyd without Richard Wright. Pink Floyd sucked after Roger left. While that band was not dictated by Roger, they needed him to write the lyrics and fine tune the music around him or else it just didn't work. Post Waters Floyd is some of the most boring stuff I've ever heard. Their reunion at Live 8 was the perfect cap off to the band. Yes, I wish they would have toured, but they immediately went off to their own things and at least put aside everything for one more amazing performance. After Rick died, you can't have a true Pink Floyd tour. Better off going to see Roger Waters live, which is admittedly a Floyd tribute band but they also happen to do it very very well.

GIlmour was trying to play Glastonbury with Rick but they turned him down. I wouldn't have been surprised if that had turned into a PInk Floyd reunion concert.

I would have been. At no time when Rick was alive, aside from Live 8, were they all really happy with each other enough to play a show together. I believe they said they'd consider it for charity, but David was always very clear he was past it, and Roger was having success on his own so he didn't really need it. Unfortunately, probably right after Rick's death, right after Roger finished his Dark Side world tour and David finished his new album tour, would have maybe been the best bet, since they were all free and had gotten their projects out of their systems. David and Roger have become closer, and played a few times together since Live 8, but that didn't really start to happen until 2009 or so. At no time while Rick was alive did it seem a Floyd reunion was ever realistically possible. Gilmour just wouldn't have played Glastonbury; simple as that.

I'd venture to say the Pink Floyd comparison is unwarranted for the fact that after Roger Waters left, you still had David Gilmour, Nick Mason, and Richard Wright. Also they are just as big as GN'R ever were, probably bigger. And Roger Waters reconciled with Gilmour for one gig in the mid 2000s. Damnit, now I wish they'd do one final tour/album so I could see them live. Now that was an amazing band.

You can't have Pink Floyd without Richard Wright. Pink Floyd sucked after Roger left. While that band was not dictated by Roger, they needed him to write the lyrics and fine tune the music around him or else it just didn't work. Post Waters Floyd is some of the most boring stuff I've ever heard. Their reunion at Live 8 was the perfect cap off to the band. Yes, I wish they would have toured, but they immediately went off to their own things and at least put aside everything for one more amazing performance. After Rick died, you can't have a true Pink Floyd tour. Better off going to see Roger Waters live, which is admittedly a Floyd tribute band but they also happen to do it very very well.

The day this band finally ceases to exist. It gets worse and worse by the day.

Looking forward to hearing Slash's new album which will be released later this year.

The former members can only do so much to try and save this brand.

I don't think the former members are trying to save the brand. If anything, they should be trying to distance themselves from it, or at least from what it has become. Slash's music is the only one that I really have any interest in anymore. Never really cared for Duff's solo stuff. I liked some of Izzy's stuff, but not as much as Snakepit, VR and Slash's solo work. CD has grown on me somewhat over time, but if that is Axl's "masterpiece" then I'm not all that interested in hearing CD II.

I 100% agree. I wasn't really clear. I don't think their trying to save the brand, but more they keep trying to make good music and was jokingly saying its to cover up for all the bad stuff NuGNR does day to day. But yeah, I'm the same as you in that Slash's solo stuff is really the only thing that interests me.

I'm on an Elton John kick today. Goodbye Yellow Brick Road into Here And There into Don't Shoot Me.

The day this band finally ceases to exist. It gets worse and worse by the day.

Looking forward to hearing Slash's new album which will be released later this year.

The former members can only do so much to try and save this brand.

Oh I'm sure someone will start a rumor that yeah the next Vegas shows will be taped for future release and then it will start all over again. lol

Don't some bands sell the audio of the concert you just attended after the show or something like that? That would be cool.

Yeah, Slash has .

The problem with many of these comparisons is they aren't big enough bands to really say this about. You can't compare Great White with GNR. I would say you can't compare Queensryche with GNR. It has to be a band where even if you're not a fan, you know at leat more than one of the members and one of their songs, which is the case with GNR. Smashing Pumpkins is probably accurate, but that was basically always Billy's band and they never hit it as huge, even though they are well known. Its possible there hasn't really ever been a situation like this before. But when I say that I mean where the singer actually kept the name and used it for his own personal gain. If he weren't touring under Guns N Roses, he would play just as big of places as Slash does, which kind of puts this whole discussion into a useless place.

God, that video is just so... its just so clearly NOT Guns N Roses.

Pink Floyd did not succeed at the hands of one original members. There are some but I can't really think of them. People like Motorhead or those bands where audiences are only going for one person anyway. Most of the bands I listen to haven't resorted to what GNR is now, because just too many fans know it isn't worth it. There are people like The Who that are only 2 of the 4 now, but because of death and other factors that feels more faithful and justified. I'm sure there are other examples like the Motorhead one, but usually those bands weren't as big as GNR to begin with.

The first shows of every tour Axl sounds horrible, where the fuck have you guys been. You analyze everything about the poor guy and just bitch bitch bitch, wake up call the older he gets the longer its gonna take him to get going.

Yeah, I get that. But we only get like 10 shows a tour/leg these days. At what point is it acceptable for him to start sounding good? So he sounds OK at the last 2 shows of a tour, where all the other 15 paid and got terrible shows. That hardly seems fair. Fucking rehearse if we all know you're gonna sound terrible at the beginning of a tour.

Why should I have to do something? Its been 20 years. Its practically unbelievable I'd have to do anything and its just not out by this point.

Seems he finished Jungle off well.

Where? That ending was fucking brutal, especially his attempt to run and sing at the same time which brings back VMA flashbacks.

Axl doesn't sound like a gifted or pro singer in this short clip at all. The age of "run and sing" is over. I feel sorry for the guy. Actually, I've been thinking about it lately. Sorry as a song fits like a glove if you think about it as a message from a concerned fan to him. :/

You like to hurt me, you know that you do...

No, its not. Stop trying to convince anyone it is. The two videos go together well because they both suck.

Seems he finished Jungle off well.

Where? That ending was fucking brutal, especially his attempt to run and sing at the same time which brings back VMA flashbacks.

I'm the biggest NuGNR fan there is.

Funny to watch that interview from a few pages ago. Its funny to see the band hang out with each other, pretending like they are a real band. I have nothing against those guys, but you just know that they wouldn't CHOOSE to hang out with each other. Its all to try and drum up interest in the current band they are in to pretend like they are friends.

you don't have friends right?

No, but why does that matter?

Funny to watch that interview from a few pages ago. Its funny to see the band hang out with each other, pretending like they are a real band. I have nothing against those guys, but you just know that they wouldn't CHOOSE to hang out with each other. Its all to try and drum up interest in the current band they are in to pretend like they are friends.

Bumblefoot said it best: "If Axl left, it wouldn't be Guns N Roses. If I left, it would still be Guns N Roses". It just doesn't even matter anymore.

I think its a good thing and am glad he's getting some recognition instead of the usual negative press.

I'm so confused. Whenever the discussion involves how successful tours have been, a large group on here consistently says that the band has gotten great reviews. Now you are saying the opposite?

I 100% think that Axl deserves this recognition. But let's be real. It's for the body of work he created pre-1993. What Axl has done in the past 20 years has nothing to do with this award. Same with the RnR Hall of Fame. And I love CD as much as anybody on this forum.

I can't express how much I agree with every word you say.

Has Axl seen Gary Oldman since the Since I Don't Have You video shoot? As Tom Petty says, I need to know.

Honestly, I've never been a fan of this song, period. The McCartney one is fine, but the live pyrotechnics are what make the track and thats never a good thing to the song itself that those are necessary to enhance the song. Its a cool song, but not one of McCartney's best.

And then for GNR to cover it. I guess its not terrible but I always found it so unnecessary. They don't really add anything to it, and as with the McCartney version its just sort of plodding. Its so the opposite of Heaven's Door, where they made that their own and added so much to it. I just always thought it was a weird choice, and don't even get me started on the fact that its one of the few things from Illusions that they've kept in the set.

I voted original, but really I never understood the love for any version of this song.

If they come to the New England area I'll definitely be there. Aerosmith was the first concert I went to back in 97 on their Nine Lives your for my 11th birthday, always wanted to see them again.

Unfortunately they're not that big in the New England area .

Once you notice that "bwoop!" sound in Prostitute, you can never unhear (I know that's not a word) it.

I've never been able to NOT hear the ridiculous whimper after the third line in Chinese Democracy after the first time I heard it. To me, thats exhibit A when people talk about how this album is overproduced with layers and layers of unnecessary things. I mean, why is that there?! I know its not a big deal, but I swear it annoys me every time I hear the song and think it just sounds idiotic. Its around 1:30-1:40 in the song.

Just heard the album in its entirety the other day. Haven't done that in years. Honestly, its not bad at all. I've never thought it was, and I think the problem is the wait and all the leaks and it finally coming out kind of forces you to have to like the album if you keep trying. Even the songs I don't like like Scraped and If The World I know all the parts to and all the words, just because its an album you really try to justify the wait for.

Its a solid album for what it is (an Axl Rose solo record) and if it came out in 2002, or 2006 for that matter, it would have been better to deal with. There wouldn't be so much hype surrounding it and it wouldn't matter if I only like 2/3 because thats how much I usually like of a new record. Whoever's fault it was, it really fucked up the album which is sad because its not bad. It'll just never realistically get any respect and most likely seems like Axl's last statement. I doubt they'll ever follow it up, and ultimately I think the album will always haunt Axl. The songs are good, but he tours them the way he tours Appetite material, and Chinese material can get old quick. I imagine he's tired of playing the songs, but what else is he really gonna do since its the latest album and he spent 15 years on it. Sad situation.

It actually all flows quite nicely but the problem is its impossible for me to listen to it and not think of everything I already knew about the album before it came out and it clouds my judgment. Unlike any other album, I can't just listen to it for the sake of listening to it. I'm always thinking "its good, but for what was made of it for a decade its so not worth it."

Duff, Slash, Izzy and Steven are all very high.

Yeah, they were a great band, but they have moved on and so should we.

Just be happy they all survived the early days of GNR. It was not all good times for these guys and they will be the first to admit it.

I will move on when there is a reunion so sadly never

Its the way that Val puts it that enforces how great a reunion would be. I get that they've all moved on, but its such a huge deal they are all still alive and here that its impossible not to just want them to play one more time. It would just suck if one them was to drop dead and all of a sudden thats all gone. We had 20 years here and it never happened, and its just the thinking and hoping about it while it still can before its too late.

My, I had forgotten how people from Dublin were such morons. All they do at the beginning is boo-ing, when Axl finally punishes them, they are all like "yeah AXL, Guns N' Roses!". Fucking pricks, they got the show they deserved.

I know. What morons they were for needing to get home using public transportation. Fucking imbeciles (the Axl worship never ceases to amaze me)!