Mr. Dude

15 hours ago, The Archer said:

Ha! I was actually thinking that Axl would probably want to punch Billy Joel in the face when he started with the 'You're fuckin' crazy'.

I think punching out Billy Joel at this juncture in his career would be a bad PR move for Axl.

3 hours ago, wasted said:

But the legal entity wasn't GNR. 

Not that it matters, but it's still bizarre that at HOF they can't work it out. Then a few years later Slash and Duff are playing with Frank and Fortus in GNR. 

This is GNR, but then we will join what we said wasn't GNR a few years later just to fuck with you!

 

That's why God put those dinosaur bones here.

2 hours ago, DieselDaisy said:

Objectively no as Guns N' Roses ended on 30th December 1995. Subjectively, it could be - or near enough.

Just as Axl had the legal freedom to launch a Machiavellian power grab and launch a new fake band with the old moniker, so it is a fans prerogative to regard the result of that power grab bona fide or otherwise.

If you go to a dodgy market and buy a fake Rolex, would you regard that as genuine or simply put down the shutters and say, ''it says 'Rolex' so it is Rolex''?

Even all Real Rolexes aren't the same.

57 minutes ago, Strange Broue said:

So, the "label fucked up the cover" excuse was bullshit all along....

 

Anyway, thx for the interview

 

and yeah, the red hand and the grenade cover is 100 times better than the cycle cover... 

 

one long night with specific instructions, lol Axl and his "perfectionsim"

I don't know of anyone saying "the label fucked up the cover." I've heard that in regards to the errors in the lyrics in the booklet.

2 hours ago, southsiderwp said:

As a native Clevelander, yes I was upset that GNR didn't fully reunite for the HOF.  There were grumblings that Axl was is in town ready to make a surprise at the show and when it didn't happen it sucked the wind out of my sails.

 

Axl said he saved the band. Axl don't lie.

5 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

Legitimate scab perhaps.

He saved the band at one point when Izzy and later Slash and Duff were no longer up to snuff.

2 hours ago, DieselDaisy said:

Oh, the Hall Of Fame as an institute is, to quote the Sex Pistols, ''a piss stain'', however the Guns N' Roses performance was excellent and well planned, combining Sorum and Adler and including Gilby. I wish there was a similar effort to recreate a legitimate 'reunion' today than this current hybrid mess.

That's ludicrous. Paul Tobias is more legitimate than Gilby.

I thought they were pretty funny.

11 hours ago, liers said:

Cancelled 2001 tour

Cancelled 2002 tour

2002 VMAs

The hiatus from 2003-2005

Buckethead, brain, and finck leaving

The hate Axl had towards former members

The constant delays of CD

The cornrows

DJ Ashba

CDs lack of promotion

CDs overdevelopment

Fuck... Let's try something else... What went RIGHT.

Axl had a good 2002 lineup

Axl had great energy in 2002/2006

CD did get released eventually.

OMG was a pretty good song.

There's not one bad thing on that first list.

10 hours ago, life_247 said:

Aside from the points already made one of the big issues for CD was there was no single or collection of songs that people really attached themselves to.

Everyone on this forum argues about what songs are good from CD and the only track close to a consensus is Better.

In my opionion the album starts well with CD, Shacklers is a little crazy but you go with it, Better is the closest to a single on there, Street of Dreams is an ok song - then the whole thing comes juddering to hault with If the world, which sounds like BH doing his best to cover up the mess Chris Pittman has made putting in some decent flamenco guitar. That whole patch in the middle is a low point with ballad/WTF/Epicish Ballad/Ballad kills the momentum of the piece as a whole. I would of got rid of SoD & If the world, moved Catcher up to ballad slot in track 4 and positioned TWAT in the middle of the second half of rockers.

But NuGuns as whole could really decide what it was, same as CD.

Is it an album full of new style rockers? Loads of ballads? Modern Rock? Industrial? Synth overload? The 2002 band or the latter era Fortus/Frank/Bumble?

Try describing Chinese Democracy as a whole - its pretty much impossible.

Was new guns a heritage act (They sure played a lot of Afd)? Did they want to continue making music (they only released 1 album and played not a lot from it)? Be a bit out-there like 2002 or a more seasoned pro's group? - They lurched from massive headline tours, festival headliners to doing things like Vegas residencies - there was never seemingly a plan in place which is so important these days.

It all went according to plan.

5 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

There was far more chemistry at the HOF performance than theThat hybrid boots, which are a bit disappointing.

That's an outrageous statement. That was a clinical abortion at the RRHOF. The only rock n roll thing about the whole night was when Axl the crowd booed at his overt omission. All the real rock stars stayed home that night; Axl Rose, Izzy Stradlin, Hillel Slovak and Rod Stewart.

The rumor is that he's doing it for a big screen TV.

6 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

I dislike all those bands except Pearl Jam, who are alrightish. Korn are an abomination.

Mirrorball is a solid record. I would've loved to have heard Briggs produce it.

5 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

I have visions of Axl nutters scattering copies of Chinese Democracy like Jesus scattering the seeds.

What a coincidence. Now that I think of it, I have about the same amount of Bibles in hardback, paper back, pocket-sized, and a couple of special remastered reissues.

3 minutes ago, wasted said:

I put CD in the Motely Crue section of every HMV I can find. 

That's some clever product placement there. Are you in advertising and marketing?

On ‎5‎/‎28‎/‎2016 at 6:35 AM, wasted said:

The highest I've seen is when Universal said it sold 5 mil. But they count the 1.3 mil Best Buy bought. 

and Universal has every incentive to drastically undercount the amount of units moved so I'd say 5 mil is a very conservative. It's picking up steam in the circles I move in. That could be entirely due to me circulating it as if it were currency though. Hard to say at the moment.

1 hour ago, wasted said:

After the 1st largest army there's a real big drop off. 

In 2000 average sales for any rock release was 3-4 mil. This is for very generic rock albums with no hits that we remember. Around that time the label wanted GNR to sell 20 mil. Right now ACDC sell 300k. 

Adele is really an abberation. Maybe the cream will always rise to the top. But it's like one survivor in the cancer ward. 

It's partly rock's fault(for being rock), it's too into nostalgia and the fan base is old and needs another rock cd like it needs gall stones. Why buy new Alice in chains when you can just throw on the first record and buy a sandwich. 

Dig the Hicks reference. Very astute employment.

4 hours ago, DieselDaisy said:

You're not one of those weird Axl/nugnr fans who bought multiple copies of Chinese and proceeded to give them out to unsuspecting family and friends, are you? I made a post about this strange phenomenon about a year ago.

I've probably handed out and gifted at least a dozen or so over the years. I think I've still got 4-5 unopened copies along with the 4-5 I  have spread about. I also have 2 copies on vinyl-1 opened, 1 sealed. I was thinking of buying a case (30 I believe) to just throw around for the summer parties, but as soon as the reunion was announced it went from 39.95 to 99.99 on Ebay. The frugal side of me wanted to see Axl come out and fall on his face, but the motherfucker is rocking the world........again.

8 minutes ago, wasted said:

It's possible though that CD was Axl's statement of look I can make a great GNR without Slash, and look at their underwhelmning solo stuff, and you he could tour successfully as GNR until CD era was over.

And now he's just cashing in on everything. But it wasn't until CD was established that he could face bringing Slash back. CD made it possible for Axl Rose to exist in the 21st century. 

But they still could do a CD II meets UYI III type album to cap it all off. But it would be like the first repeat album GNR have done?

I still maintain that GNR's next move should be to release the remix record sometime during this tour and add some remixes to the setlist. Then release CD II for the next full scale tour. If nothing else this should shore up the CD era contingent and help satisfy their demand for some sort of continuity. Then after emptying the vaults of CD and once Slash and Duff have established their loyalty and devotion to GNR they can maybe start thinking about contributing in a creative capacity.

I don't think anything went wrong. Axl played it about as well as he could've played it. Now it seems like he's going to have his cake and eat it too. He  proved the victor in the dick waving contest and now that all opposition has conceded defeat he's cool to be friends again, but you first, then you, then learn these GNR songs. Welcome to my band Part Deux.

10 hours ago, Philipm787 said:

You have a reputation around here, wasted, so I will not waste my time arguing with you.

I agree with him. I don't see how Axl could have played it any better.

1 hour ago, Tom-Ass said:

Her addition to this band is a joke... Just punctuates the fact that this is still Axl's band and "vision" whatever that is supposed to fucking be. 

At least you know who's boss.

That just helps prove the point though. People can basically get it for free and there still ain't much interest in it. There's always gonna be a place for it, but I have a hard time imagining a time when rock stars like Axl Rose or even a Kurt Cobain will ever be able to rule the world again. There's more talented musicians probably than ever before, but there aren't any new rock stars being made.Aafter the remaining few die off they will never be able to exist again, because they will never be able to exist in the collective consciousness. The fact you can get it from so many different places just makes that kind of thing more scarce really.

37 minutes ago, Len B'stard said:

You love Iggy?  You're a good lad.

I love Iggy. He's in my top 5 all time for sure.

30 minutes ago, Estranged Reality said:

I kinda hate these "rock n' roll is dead" think pieces because music has probably never been more easily accessible or easily offered than ever before -- if a certain type of rock n' roll is your thing, there's absolutely no doubt there are some awesome people out there making that kind of music right now, and you have the ability to find it, which was totally NOT the case in the old days of the music industry, when a handful of bands would rule the charts and the airwaves and anything underground was really, really hard to seek out. I know some of the fun was in the thrill of the hunt, but generally speaking, we have no reason to complain these days about "music being dead" of any genre. And even in terms of mainstream rock n' roll, the whole "grunge killed rock" thing is so silly and outdated -- not dissimilar to the way people used to look down upon hip-hop when it first started -- because if anything grunge totally opened the door to more and more types of rock music that have, in the years since, become just as cemented in pop culture as GN'R was. I mean we wouldn't have bands like Alice in Chains (who clearly share a similar fanbase with GN'R) without grunge, nor would we have dudes like Chris Cornell, and ultimately applying labels to music and demonizing certain genres or whatever is just reactionary kneejerk bullshit that happens every. single. decade. Your parents were doing it when bands like GN'R first came around.

That being said... it's definitely nice to see Axl Rose on the upswing. As a fan of Axl/NuGN'R, I think *this* is the year we had all been waiting for... during all those years of silence and disappointment and let-downs, this is pretty much exactly what we were hoping for -- if not that Axl Rose would change the face of music (something that never would have happened), that he'd at least be out there again singing, making music, playing with his old band members, making a good name for himself, sharing his talent with the world... rather than turning into the Howard Hughes of rock n' roll.

So I totally get where this guy is coming from in that regard, and as a fan of Axl's I, too, couldn't be happier to see him finally back on top.

8 hours ago, Len B'stard said:

I think you're romanticising it as best you can because thats where the value lies now, in the romanticising of it. The fact is The Beatles died in 1969, The Stones ain't been worth shit since 1978, The Who died a death the minute they lost Moon etc etc etc.  The value in the old timers is to be found in Bob Dylan and Iggy Pop and people like that, iconoclasts that never played the game anyway.  Their shows still have value that isn't nostalgia value.

No that's not it at all. I love Dylan and Iggy, but I feel the same way at a Dylan or Young show- even though they're still creatively vital I know there aren't artists coming up to take their place. This is it.

On ‎5‎/‎10‎/‎2016 at 2:18 PM, DieselDaisy said:

It is still essentially revivalist legacy rock though. Axl might be singing better than he has in twenty-five years for Acca Dacca, and Slash and Duff may be back in Guns, but there is nothing particularly novel nor artistic about what is emanating from these two groups. The people buying the tickets are doing so for the same old fart rock, Appetite, Back in Black, etc.  Time may have stood still.

This would of course change if an album came out.

It does have a "this is it" kind of vibe, but that's with all rock n roll nowadays really. The only bands still doing it and doing it worth a fuck are old bands. That kind of makes it all the more special, because THIS REALLY IS IT. When I go to gigs these days I treat'em like wakes, because I know there ain't nothing else coming down the pike. These guys are amongst the very last of a dying breed. That's the reality and its very rewarding to me to witness and appreciate the last living rockstars doing their thing. They ain't making anymore of those kinds of guys. It won't be possible for those kinds of guys to exist much longer-in the flesh, moreover in our minds.

22 hours ago, Sisyphus said:

Chinese Democracy was a success. Not on the level of AFD and UYI but still. And no amount of bitter turds will change that.

you're not counting all the shoppers it brought in and all the much more expensive items sold in store to customers who wouldn't have come to Best Buy without it. Come to think of it, I haven't been to Best Buy since Chinese Democracy was released. While I'm coming and thinking, that's the last time bought a TV too. So if you really want to get an accurate measure you've got to be able to quantify all the other items Best Buy sold strictly off the back of Chinese Democracy. I spent $350 that day so that's the equivalent of at least 35 records right there. Even if the average customer brought in solely based on CD's release only spent a median of $50 that's still the equivalent of 3 records per person which would potentially triple the amount of albums it sold domestically within the continental US. Naturally that's not even counting Hawaii, Alaska, or Puerto Rico. So when you get down to brass tacks on the matter one could make the case that it (basically) sold around 10 million in the US alone. However, it could be considerably more difficult to calculate global sales via this same methodology.

21 hours ago, SoulMonster said:

I hear all kinds of stuff all the time. I try not to believe any of it unless it comes from a good source or makes sense.

Anyway, if it has sold 10 million globally, that would mean US/UK comprise 10 % of the market. That doesn't sound plausible to me. Where would these 90 % markets be?

On the black market...........

its worth its wait in gold..........

that's what I hear anyway..........

9 hours ago, janrichmond said:

I don't know anyone that bought it....come to think of it I've never even seen it

let's keep it clean now...

22 hours ago, eggers said:

No way in hell did it sell 7 million copies.

all signs point to yes.....

yes it did.............................