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Sounds like the type of song axl would write with AC/DC.  All their stuff is this stupid and basic. 

35 minutes ago, wasted said:

I think the dems have to take some responsibility for Trump. Because he is a result of Obama not really doing anything or not enough for 63 million Americans. I think Trump is the anti christ is a gross simplification and just an easy way to fight him. 

I don’t think that’s what libertaranism would lead to either, that’s what people think that don’t understand that more freedom has always led to more wealth. Most countries start with little to no government and show great progress then the state grows and co opts everything and people get dejected and ineffective. Either way what I said was more about a feeling of hopelessness. I think way less interference would work better because it’s easy to beat 100s of thousands of kids dying in Yemen. 

Also these team politics discussions belie the truth that nothing will change. Probably because the system is designed like that. Sure there will be people who benefit one way or the other. But really changing things so America shouldn’t be ashamed, that’s not happening. Scapegoating Trump will only work for the next election cycle. 20 years from now gov spending will still be way to high to avoid disaster. 

I agree that the dems not fighting hard enough for the common man is one factor that lead to trump.  But anyone who thinks the person to save them from the billionaire elites is A BILLIONAIRE ELITIST, is really not very smart.  The choice was between democrats - who are mostly controlled by elites, but still try to protect the planet and help the poor and middle class - or the republicans  - who are TOTALLY controlled by the elites, dont care about the planet, dont care about the poor, and coddle nazis and klansmen.  

Freedom has lead to wealth FOR WHO?   There is tons of wealth in dubai and there are also modern slaves.  In fact, in much of the mideast, the LACK of freedom has lead to wealth for the leaders. 

The middle class in america was the most healthy - with one income able to support a whole family and send their kids to college - when unions and tax laws limited the wealth and power of the elites.  Since we got rid of those unions and tax laws, the wealthy have sucked all the wealth out of the middle class.

Trump is not the source of all of our problems.  He's simply an opportunistic con man who seized the moment to profit off of our problems.  But he does make them worse.  If you care about the budget, the planet, the happiness of the average american, he is making everything worse every day. 

And dont underestimate the damage he's causing to our society.  Having obama in power (even though he was flawed) sent the message to every black kid that they can work hard and grow up to be something besides an athlete or rapper.   Having trump in power sends the message that the path to success is lying, cheating, bullying, bragging, and more lying.  This will make more people try to succeed that way, and harm a lot of innocent people in the process.  The fish rots from the head down.  If you think trump is bad, wait til you see the wave of mini-trumps that are going to follow in his footsteps.  That's why it's so important for him to be publicly exposed, prosecuted, and removed.  To show the next generation that being like trump doesn't get you where you want to go.

37 minutes ago, wasted said:

It’s just honest, I don’t think we need a government.

No offense, but how old are you?  That is the viewpoint of a high school kid who just heard about libertarianism.  Not the view of anyone who has learned anything about economics, politics, civics, or world history.

No government means no roads, no bridges, no mail, no police, no firefighters, no limits on pollution, no food safety, no education for the working class...  Basically a lord-of-the-flies system where the biggest and strongest and meanest capture/consume/destroy everything they can.  That was the system when we were cavemen.  And if we stuck with that system we'd still be cavemen.  And if we try that system now we'll go back to being cavemen.

Simple solutions are appealing because they mean you don't have to do the hard work of finding real solutions, but they are completely unrealistic in the real world.

Obama ran on change and maybe he didn't change your life enough to please you, but do you think the people whose lives were saved by obamacare would say he didn't change anything for them?

I was dissappointed by obama too in many ways, but not enough to make me think an obvious egomaniac con man was going to do any better.  

Trump isn't just another politician lying like all other politicians do.  He's destroying the concept of truth and facts and INCREASING the hatred in this country simply because it benefits him.  It's truly sick and depressing. 

Axl is right.  He's never gotten involved in politics before because we have never been in a situation this dire.  At this moment, you are either doing all you can to stop the trump cult, or you are helping them succeed in their sociopathic goals.

5 hours ago, Underhardy said:

haha you really need to get a life!

Wow your well argued and informed rebuttal has convinced me to completely change my political priorities.

4 hours ago, DannyVinyard said:

I'm voting Trump again in 2020. He is fixing illegal immigration and trade. I know you liberals hate that and want to bankrupt this country. Too bad, you lose.

Axl would be disappointed that his fans are such suckers.  Illegal immigration isn't the problem they tell you it is.  Your problems are due to elites rigging the economy.  Not broke brown crop pickers.  But they know if they can get you to blame your problems on the crop pickers it'll keep you from directing your anger at the source of your suffering.  You're being conned.    He TELLS you he's fixing trade.  Just like he TOLD you he had no business ties to russia and never paid stormy daniels hush money.

12 minutes ago, wasted said:

True and he’s also tried to deliver what he was voted in for. I would suggest not voting for anyone. 

He was voted in to "drain the swamp".   He filled the government with bankers and lobbyists.  Is that delivering what he was voted in for?

Sitting on the sidelines is the same as voting for trump.

23 hours ago, wasted said:

 Dems sort of have offer something to the Trump voters, money or safety.

 

Trump voters are beyond saving.  They really are.  They're cult members at this point.  And no amount of suffering caused by their cult leader, or realistic solutions offered by the opposition are ever going to change their mind.  At this point, turning against trump would be admitting that they have been wrong and are suckers.  They'd rather watch the country burn than ever do that.

19 hours ago, killuridols said:

Nope. What I said is that there are, and there have been, throughout history, many politicians just as bad as Trump.

Grab a history book.

Not in america.  This is new here.   Saying he's not as bad as hitler or stalin isn't any comfort.

32 minutes ago, killuridols said:

Have you ever heard of dictators?

There are many horrible politicians out there, just as bad as Trump, maybe not so openly egocentric, but believing that politicians who are low profile cannot be dangerous, mean and corrupted is just looking at the surface of people.

Are you really saying trump's not so bad because dictators are worse?    Again, find me another horrible politician who has twice blamed the victims of natural disaster for the disasters.

23 hours ago, wasted said:

That’s basically all politicians. 

Show me another politician blaming the victims of a natural disaster after the disaster.  He did it in puerto rico and california.  This "he's just a politician and they're all bad" crap is nonsense.  That's like saying AIDs and the flu are the same since they're both diseases.  

On 11/12/2018 at 10:43 PM, wasted said:

It’s hard to talk about politics when you see people’s homes burned to the ground. 

Not if youre a sociopath without a trace of empathy like president con man.

On 10/30/2018 at 8:53 PM, RussTCB said:

What are you evening talking about? 

There's an entire thread dedicated to politics on the forum. Everyone is more than welcome to discuss everything to do with politics there. It's apparent you've missed that thread, so you should certainly check it out. 

No one is trying to "shield" anyone from anything. We're just trying to keep the forum organized, plain and simple. 

Sure you are.  Your "organize" things so that axl's message that you don't agree with gets hidden in a location no one will see it.  Axl is political now and you don't agree with his politics.  Time to pick a new favorite band.

54 minutes ago, marlingrl03 said:

It wasn't that Russ...it started off with the members talking about politics and Axl's tweet (and that is fine) until it WASN'T about the tweet. That is what I am referring too....

So we can discuss what he tweeted, but not WHY he would tweet it, what he hoped to achieve, or what he might be thinking.

Can we stop sheltering these fascists from the real world reactions to their policies and priorities?  Otherwise we're just enabling them.

26 minutes ago, Litti said:

I don't think those numbers are accurate even now because what Trump was talking about was the people who was not included in the unemployed group because they had stopped looking for work, thus considered "employed" BUT Trump's numbers ARE record breaking

By the way that "Orange cl*wn" is the President. Learn about it.

Yeah the unemployment numbers were FAKE when the president was black, now they're AWESOME when the president is a  white supremacist con man and known liar.

1 hour ago, SoulMonster said:

I don't think Axl's opinion on this matter in any way 

Why because he's just a hollywood star?  There's one of those in the white house.  Only with much less talent and brains.

1 hour ago, SoulMonster said:

I think she is actually saying that we have a dedicated section for politics.

And that's where political discussions belong.  Unless the band or axl does something political.  That shouldn't be hidden away in some politics section where it wont be heard like axl wanted it to. 

Do you think axl posted this so it could be hidden away in some rarely visited corner of the internet just in case it offends someone, or do you think he did it in order to influence as many people as possible?

10 hours ago, marlingrl03 said:

Agree!- mods can you direct this political talk to the Anything Goes section please for the love of freakin god!!!!! TIA.

So you're saying you basically need a SAFE SPACE to avoid offending your delicate sensibilities?  This aint fox news where you get to pretend that there's nothing wrong with electing a sociopathic moronic racist con man.

If axl thinks it's time to take a side, guns n roses fans should pay attention.

On 1/20/2018 at 7:28 AM, Silent Jay said:

#ReleaseTheMemo

Nunes is a republican congressman who's been conspiring with trump to help block the investigation into Trump's collusion with Putin.

On 1/19/2018 at 5:47 PM, GuitarFanfromNYC said:

yes, Congressman Nunes is currently chair of the House Intelligence Committee. He's written a memo that alleges abuse of power by the Obama Administration's investigation in to Russia meddling in tbe 2016 election.

http://www.businessinsider.com/release-the-memo-campaign-russia-linked-twitter-accounts-2018-1

Yes Nunes is doing all this in order to protect Trump's collusion with Putin.

Yeah on CD songs, Slash just seems to do his "standard shredding" type solos on them.  You can almost see him checking his watch as he plays them.

I really wish he learned the solos that finck wrote.

35 minutes ago, Oldest Goat said:

You said "Obama has done more for the environment than any other modern President."

What has he done? The bar is pretty low isn't it.

 

The bar is very low.  But I'd vote for him again if he ran again based purely on his environmental record.  Unless he ran against someone who I thought would be better like Sanders.

Here's obama's record on the environment:

http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/wilderness-resources/stories/things-obama-has-done-environment

Just now, Oldest Goat said:

What has he done?

P.S. I'm not American so don't get to vote. I would have voted for Sanders as unrealistic as his aspirations were but between Hillary and Trump I honestly rooted for Trump. He's easier to laugh at so that's nice. Hillary would be more damaging.

He's appointed a climate change denier to head the EPA for starters.  That means more pollution, more climate change, and the death of many more species possibly including ours.

I voted for Sanders too in the primary.  He was the only politician to actually know the proper solutions to our problems.  But americans are generally too stupid to see it.

1 minute ago, PappyTron said:

Did you vote for the Greens?

Yes.  Not because I thought they could win, but because I wanted to send a message to the democrats that they need to stop selling out to evil corporate interests.

If I lived in a swing state, I would have voted for Hillary, because trump is an unqualified monster, and his presidency will be an unparalleled disaster for the country.

17 minutes ago, Oldest Goat said:

In real life, walk up to the broken families whose children and loved ones have been murdered and tell them that.

It's not about tit-for-tat. Bad things are bad. I'm not convinced he really wants to preserve the planet. The United States is one of the biggest polluters in the world if not the biggest and has completely failed to make ANY meaningful change to combat climate change.

I feel sad and angry about that. About all of it.

I say this in jest but at least Trump admits he wants to kill them

 

Obama has done more for the environment than any modern president. He could have done a lot more if it weren't for the oil-owned republicans stopping him.

You can say both parties suck and you'd be right.  But it's still your responsibility to vote for the one that sucks a little less.

15 minutes ago, toroymoi said:

I never understood how people could use religion (and I'm speaking specifically Christianity) to try and say evolution isn't real; I attended Roman Catholic schools until I was 18 and evolution was always a key part of the curriculum. I don't think anyone with sense, religious or not, actually believes that evolution isn't 'real'.

It's unbelievable I know, but just read this thread and you'll see many conservative americans passionately argue against human evolution from lesser life forms.

Brainwashing is powerful, especially if its begun at a young age.  Asking them to open their minds and learn feels to them like you're attacking their families and churches who taught them the lies.

26 minutes ago, Oldest Goat said:

You pretty much said it, basically the left are pretentious sellouts and hypocrites. Political correctness is cancer to the human mind and will likely lead to very damaging policies.

 

Sorry but political correctness, drone strikes, NOTHING will lead to as much damage as disregard for the planet.

Policies can change, the pendulum can swing back and forth, but environmental damage is in many cases permanent and irreversible.

So you can choose the drone strike president who wants to preserve the planet, or the other drone strike president who thinks making money is more important than preserving the planet.  

Trump said our approach to terrorism should be to "kill their families".  How'd you feel about that?

4 minutes ago, Oldest Goat said:

Well, he's a baboon so I'm not surprised at all.

That being said though I despise the left even more than the right. The reason's to hate the right are nice and obvious, the reasons to hate the left are more menacing and hide behind the pretenses of what are supposed to be noble ideals and causes. They are now the same, they are both shit. 

I'd love to hear why you hate the left.  I hate them because they sold out to the same billionaires and bankers than republicans did.  And they go overboard with PC police crap.

But the right doesn't give a crap about the planet.  At least not if it interferes with making money.  That will kill us all. 

The left might suck, but their policies aren't going to ruin the entire planet like republicans.

1 minute ago, Oldest Goat said:

The bottom-line is even if climate change weren't real, we should strive for a clean, healthy and efficient civilization anyway. The debate about it being real or not is inherently misguided and stupid.

Not as stupid as appointing a climate change denier to head the EPA like trump just did.

Might as well appoint El Chapo to head the DEA.