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It will be VERY important if his bandmates support him or not.

The logic of no-logic.

2 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

Thank you, although this discussion has to do with social science that was developed much later and not in Greece

In my country, when someone is smartypants of any social science, we call him "The Great Philosopher"

1 minute ago, Blackstar said:

No and no (that's a really strange question). And no, it's not classism either (communism is not a social class, it's an ideology based on the concept of class struggle and advocating for the elimination of class and the inequality it produces).

Well, call me a racist but now I know why philosophy is a Greek word

Just now, Blackstar said:

I think you're confusing classism (which is a questionable term referring to discrimination and prejudice based on someone's social class, e.g. prejudice against someone because they're poor) with the general concept of class and class struggle, which means that in every society (except of course, a utopian communist society or "primitive" societies where there was no personal property) there are classes with different interests.

So, the answer to your question is, of course, neither.You could say that it was a manifestation of class struggle in Greek society at the time, but not limited to that.

I see that you are educated, so answer me this:

When two members of a oneracial junta (Greece) tell a communist joke - is that racism?

When two members of multiracial junta(any Latin country) tell a communist joke - is that racism?

3 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

I don't agree. In the last decades, the term racism, both in academia and in every day usage, does not refer to discrimination based only on race in the narrow sense, but also to discrimination against ethnic minorities in general.

I also personally don't consider the term classism as valid. It's an invented -ism according to the characteristics of racism but with social class being the object of discrimination instead of race/ethnicity, but it's paradoxical, considering that social class, as a category, already entails inequality.

So tell me (I see that you are from Greece), When communists fought the junta, was that classism or racism(amongst the same people)?

Classism is stronger than modern definition of racism today. Rich black guy and rich white guy are more brothers than their piss poor counterparts.

2 minutes ago, WhazUp said:

I have seen a lot of people use the maid thing and included making fun of the language barrier thing with the Family Guy Consuela lemon pledge reference, I don't think it is out of bounds to say sometimes it can definitely have some racist jokes in there at times

Again....

When you insult, make fun based on someones skin color or other group physical characteristic - that is racism.

When you insult someones nation - that is chauvinism.

When you insult is based on his place in the society, culture, language skill - that is classism.

You can poke fun of some blonde maid from Brazil that had German ancestors and as long you are sticking to the cultural parameter and not biological - that is not racism.

I mean, I really think that is wrong to call (mostly justified)criticism of TB racist, because if in this world exist one great nation that is made of all races on the planet - its Brazil.

So if anyone uses "Latin maid" stereotype - that is classism.

Learn to nuance things a little, stamping a racism tag on everything kinda insults people that really suffered under it (see Congo, South Africa, etc...)

17 minutes ago, alfa75 said:

You are absolutely correct that I have zero knowledge from a musician’s standpoint, so all due respect to you. 
 

What I meant by negativity, was the way the press and some vocal fans have regarded much of what has gone down, musically, communication, management, etc. 

 

 

Its cool man

9 minutes ago, alfa75 said:

This band has always been dysfunctional. One could argue from day one. AFD was the perfect storm/lightning in a bottle, etc and even at the beginning it was not universally praised. After that it’s always been occasionally WTF for certain things, and also lots of negativity regarding musical directions, experimentation, etc. Obviously, in the CD era, all has been magnified. 
 

Also, and there’s something consistent in the fact that they didn’t give a fuck then or now what people think. This has persisted throughout.

Its more than obvious to me that you are not a rock musician.

Let me tell you a secret - EVERY band has "negativity" and problems, the difference is only in possibility of overcoming that.

We can put it this way:

Axl is a broken, wasted genius, but genius still.

Myles Kennedy is biker gathering material.

This is like comparing Nirvana to Foo Fighters.

I would take Axl on a worst Disney Day than that singer from Walmart.

2 minutes ago, Towelie said:

Just listened to them both back to back, and Absurd just has more attitude, more of what attracted me to this band to begin with. They're both good songs, but Hard School sounds like it could be from any number of bands, whereas only someone as crazy as Axl could come up with Absurd.

Thats exactly what I feel.

46 minutes ago, Towelie said:

Really enjoy both, but I'm actually gonna surprise myself by saying Absurd.

Musically HS is more GnR, Ideologically AD is more GnR.

I agree HS is a beautiful homage to old Guns, Absurd is so absurd that you wouldnt expect that even from a much more avantgarde band. And thats the point of rock and roll. Unpredictability.

I am just glad that they are again discoghrapichally active. They were autotribute band for too long.

Absurd or Hard Skool?

New album should be called Democracy Lies For Absurd Illusions. 

I never heard in my life that someone cannot discern bass guitar or rhythm guitar.

Someone has to be seriously disabled to be that numb.

10 hours ago, Derick said:

When you thoroughly explain something that should be obvious and heard right away, you know that she is there more for image and less for music.

I repeat, Mellissa as Mellissa really seems like a nice and talented girl. But she belongs to different period and point of life.

I don`t think that she has any musical role in the band.

I watched a tons on videos and most of the time you can`t hear her at all.

She` s there just to attract millenials to an old rock band.

Mellisa seems like a such a loveable character. Little pixie girl jumping and dancing kawai style.

But I don`t see her in GnR.

With all my love to the band, Axl is insane and we will never hear new album.

Mark my words.

You gotta respect a man like Axl Rose.

One of few truly independent but popular to a certain level people today.

I just think that he never should be in the band. Great guitarist, but not for Gnr.

Robin and Bucket were creepy, but in a beautiful, very loveable way.

3 minutes ago, Tom2112 said:

Bumblefoot loved the band, and really enjoyed playing the music for the fans. DJ loved the fame that playing in GNR allowed him, he used it solely as a platform to raise his profile, he was not backstage saying "can we play some new songs, can we release a new song at the start of each leg". 

Now I'm not saying that Bumblefoot was in GNR out of the goodness of his heart, but I think you can see what I'm getting at.

Could be like that, maybe you are right. But my impression was different. There is something fishy, creepy about that Bumble guy.