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14 hours ago, k12 said:

here is a picture 

 

That may be legitimate as it’s consistent with other numbering found online for that litho, but I am fairly certain his unnumbered ones are fake.

 

2 hours ago, k12 said:

it is numbered, but can't anyone just number it to make it look real?

Warpig is easy enough to track down outside of eBay through his aol address and we have done so earlier in this thread. It all points back to a print shop that is located in Brooklyn. That means he has the equipment to make copies of Lithographs and has access to good quality paper to make them look legitimate enough to pass off using his fake “VIP” story.

Does that mean the numbered litho you bought from him is fake? Not necessarily, but think of this... he also sells shirts which are brand named Gilden from venues where it is known that they didn’t sell Gilden brand shirts and he tries to pass those off as real. He is not an honest businessman.

It would be interesting to see a picture of the numbering on your lithograph and compare it to a photo of one that was known to be bought at the venue. Some numbers are printed in sequence by the printer while other shows had hand-numbered lithographs. If they look completely different, then that removes any doubt you bought a high quality fake. If they look similar, then you could have bought a legitimate lithograph that was left over from the show.

51 minutes ago, Tourettes2400 said:

Another one is up. Looks to be the real deal

The concept of a trio of lithos is great, but that is just weak. They botched both attempts this leg.

8 hours ago, GardenOfGuns said:

Wow I'm surprised. His stuff looks really legit. I hope his shirts are real, or at least look real in person because I recently bought one of his..

Nope... fake t-shirts too. Most are Gildan. 

9 minutes ago, amaninjapan said:

I mean, I don't doubt it's possible it could be a numbering mixup - after all I've seen multiple anomalies when it comes to litho numbering. I've seen a legit litho numbered like "x/300" when it was actually limited to /250. I've seen the same litho numbered in different colored pens (one was black ball pen, another was blue). A small bunch of Philadelphia 2017 were numbered upside down - Instead of being numbered in the bottom right, the person who was numbering them didn't realize they had the box upside-down, so the ended up being written in the top left of the litho and upside down

Your level of knowledge for these things never ceases to amaze me...

12 minutes ago, pastortine said:

Well, if you want to go there I'll bite, no.  Explanation: I bought one for me and my son.  I bought one for my daughter as a gift.  And, then I bought a couple to possibly trade (was hoping to get a July 9, 2016 Nashville litho out of it somehow - I went to that 2016 show and didn't even know what a lithograph was.)  My plans changed when my transmission went out as I got home from St. Louis.  That same day my dad loaned me his vehicle to use while I got my car situation sorted out.  In a stroke of the dumbest luck ever my dad's transmission broke a shifter cable snapped while I was taking it through an automatic car wash... on the very same day.  (I had to get a tow truck to pull me out of a car wash, but hey at least my dad's Trailblazer got washed... there's another story about why I was even washing it that would let you see I am even less of a shmuck than you think I am... but I won't bother with that)   2 transmissions in one day.  My dad's only cost about $450 to fix... covered that no problem.  Mine cost around $4,500.00 to fix.  I had to take out a signature loan to cover that, and I've been seeling lot's of my stuff on ebay ever since to get that paid off. 

If you could study my ebay activity then you'd see that I didn't start selling stuff on ebay until around the end of July - right now I'm an ebay selling fool... because of debt...

If you want to call that being an ebay flipper, then have at it.  Everything is not always that black and white, dude.  I'm a dude selling things I have that are of any value... and these lithos are among the more valuable  things that I have.

If that bugs you, then I'm sorry, but I'm just digging out of a hole.   I spent $750 on tickets for the show, another $300 plus for hotel and parking,... If I sell all four I'd do good to break even on that end.  If I'm a flipper I'm not a very good one.

On the other hand, an ebay flipper would be the two guys who ran up behind me at the merch stand and I heard them say (as I was walking off) we'll take every litho you have.  And, judging by the stack of lithos left after I bought mine there were probably 25+ there.

Now that guy is a flipper.

Thank you for allowing me to explain myself to you... 

There is nothing wrong with buying something and then selling it based on a fair market price. It isn’t like you are selling a counterfeit and passing it off as real. 

3 hours ago, amaninjapan said:

Chicago has potential to become expensive, I think. Not stratospheric but definitely it will be competitive.

Prices already reflect that on eBay. I am not a huge basketball fan, but there is huge crossover appeal for this one.

The prices I don’t get are the Toronto lithos. Those things are hideous (in my personal opinion). I wouldn’t line a birdcage with them, never mind hanging them on a wall.

Artist for the Toronto lithos is Jonathan Bergeron a.k.a. “Johnny Crap”.

5 hours ago, Tourettes2400 said:

 

Not sure what to think. It is cool they are having another with 2 posters going together, but that is very cartoonish.

17 hours ago, Kearnsy said:

Love the poster. Im guessing thats Paul Revere's midnight ride

It is Paul Revere’s midnight ride and that is the Old North Church in the background.

The British occupied Boston because the Massachusetts colonists were considered a bunch of rabble-rousers. Everyone knew the British would march on Concord to seize the armory there (Concord is about 20 miles outside Boston), but they didn’t know how or when.

They devised a system where they would place one lantern in the bell tower of the Old North Church if the army was coming by land, and two lanterns if they were coming by sea (sneaking the army across the Charles River in the middle of the night).

One night, the British launched boats and tried to sneak their Army across the river. Paul Revere and a few other riders rode off in the middle of the night to warn everyone that they were coming. They woke everyone in the towns on the way to Concord and all the farmers grabbed their muskets.

By the time the British got to Concord, the colonists had moved all the arms and had mustered a large group of Minutemen from all the surrounding towns. They met the British at the Old North Bridge and it was a running bloody fight all the way 20 miles back to Boston.

The details of the lithograph are spot on with the two lanterns showing in the window of the old North Church and the Paul Revere statue is only a short distance away in sight of the bell tower.

I love that a lot of these lithographs take advantage of the local history as well as invoking cool imagery. It really makes them special and mine is going to look cool next to the two I have from the Foxboro shows last year.

Got one. Tonight's is limited to 300.

Anyone know if the Garden has an outside merch stand, let me know.

Any word from those who went to the DC show how they handled the lithographs with the rest of the merch? Did they limit the lithos to one per person and was there a seperate line to get them?

4 minutes ago, estrangedtwat said:

Riiiight.  Just a coincidence that this looks exactly like Duff, and is the first of three shows at MSG.

Tell you what...if the other two MSG lithos aren't Slash and Axl skeletons in the same style, I'll buy you a cookie.

I hope I am soooo wrong because a triptych with Duff, Slash and Axl would be cool as hell, but I like chocolate chip.

2 hours ago, goneshootin said:

I picked up an extra duff litho at the 10/11 MSG show. Assuming they do a slash one on sunday or monday and anyone can get an extra would love to trade....ideally with someone in the NYC area so we can exchange them easily. 

 

I think the resemblance to Duff is just a coincidence... Arian Buhler did the artwork and posted on his instagram that it was inspired by some of the criminal elements of old New York. There was no mention to Duff or that it is supposed to look like Duff.

That said, I wouldn't expect any Slash or Axl litho coming up.

2 minutes ago, amaninjapan said:

 

no no, the 92 is my spare

Ahhh... I see (no pun intended)!

2 minutes ago, AussieHrvat said:

holy crap dude, Im gonna give you some serious dues on that one! damn, could not see that for the life of me! I was expecting some thicker silver pen or something, it looks like it was just done with a biro!

Haha! It has been well established by now that amaninjapan is the foremost authority for these lithos. Looks like you have 92/100

23 minutes ago, AussieHrvat said:

 

The Bunyip is definitely not numbered and this was purchased at the show.  I know this as I asked my mate to get me both lithos (I arrived later) and Im pretty sure you bought his spare Spider off him Amanijapan.

The Spider is numbered, Bunyip is not.  If the number is hidden somewhere like a Wheres Wally thing, id like to know where - as its not even on the back!

 

 

I never thought much of the Bunyip poster until you posted your pictures. That is one sweet litho.

4 minutes ago, janrichmond said:

I don't buy lithos but I had a look at Warpigs account On eBay. His tshirts are not Gilden, I only see official ones that look the same as mineand some of his lithos are numbered, mainly Australian. How does he have 100% positive feedback if he is selling fakes?

I'm not sticking up for the guy just interested in what his story is.

Some of the shirts he has sold have been Gilden. Some of the lithos he has sold have been numbered. He has claimed that all are legit.

Most of his shirts have sold for around $10 so I doubt most would care. Similarly he prices the lithos far cheaper than they would normally sell for. Some probably suspect that they are fake, but don't care because they love the design and got it for half the price they would have paid, or they don't know and just think they got a good deal. It also isn't difficult to avoid negative feedback because eBay wants you to reach out to the seller to try and resolve the issue before leaving negative feedback.

There was an eBay seller who was listing damaged lithos a while back (I forget his username), but didn't disclose the damage in his listing. If I remember correctly, the seller owned a pawn shop and also claimed he had an "in" with someone on the tour that he got all the unsold lithos from.

One of the guys from this board bought a litho that was damaged and contacted the seller. Rather than receive negative feedback, he said he would replace it. The thing was, almost all the lithos were damaged in some way and the guy just kept sending "replacements" without asking for returns of the ones he already sent and it got to the point where the buyer didn't care because he received far more than he originally expected with just minor blemishes or imperfections.

it isn't difficult to avoid negative feedback.

5 minutes ago, The Holographic Universe said:

Thanks for the time taken to explain. I was not aware he was selling gilden shirts as deadstock. That destroys his credibility. It was always pretty sketchy that he had an in on the lithos. But, there is a poster here who claimed he purchased one of war pigs lithos and had an original of the same litho and that poster claimed they were the same I believe. It's funny how the most interesting aspect of this reunion is the lithos. It's like they are our new music. 

Just by merit of his positive feedback, I have no doubt that they are high quality copies. I suspect he purchases original lithographs and makes copies using his high quality commercial printing equipment. He then offsets the purchase of his legitimate lithographs by selling the fakes and then buys more.

Music is art. Lithography is art. There has been no new GNR music with the core lineup in forever and these lithographs are relatively new to this band. That is why they are so popular. It doesn't hurt that there have been some kick-ass designs along the way.

47 minutes ago, The Holographic Universe said:

I apologize for coming off like a dick man. I highly appreciate your contributions to this thread and the positive approach you take. And for the record, I won't purchase unnumbered lithos. All I want is Yokohama anyways. But, if you look closely at ten San Antonio litho on the table you will clearly see the corner has no numbers man. I believed with all the speculation with warping that it warranted to be recognized that there are unnumbered lithos. 

It actually does look like it has numbers if you zoom in, but the resolution isn't good enough to say for certain.

I love your posts Holographic Universe, and your contributions to this board, but I respectfully disagree with you here... I think there is strong circumstantial evidence to suggest that warpigs unnumbered lithographs are clear fakes.

If I were the band giving away special lithographs to VIP's, I would want them to be "special" lithographs; and unnumbered lithographs are hardly special. I would give away the lowest numbered ones to special guests (we know for a fact the band takes the lowest numbers for themselves), or have a special numbering sequence just for them. We also know that warpig is selling some lithos without numbers where numbers were added during the print process. That means definitively that they just cannot be the same lithographs made specifically for the show. That is damning evidence in my opinion.

His concert T's are clearly fake and yet he claims that they are deadstock... official merchandise. So you are telling me he bootlegs T-Shirts, but he somehow has an "in" with the band or with the tour coordinator to get all these unnumbered special VIP lithographs to sell for his own personal profit? And he can be traced to a small printing company in Brooklyn NY? Highly unlikely and heavily suspect.

Warpig bootlegs T-Shirts and he bootlegs Lithographs. The band or tour coordinator would not give someone taking money out of their pocket by bootlegging T-Shirts exclusive right to all these special VIP lithographs. That would just not happen.

Look... I get it. It is human nature for people to concoct scenarios to explain how these things just might be real instead of admitting that someone tricked them got the better of them by selling them a high-quality fake, but I think there is enough evidence to suggest otherwise.

It is like the woman who receives a CZ engagement ring, but she somehow convinces herself that it might be real, but still doesn't want to take it to the jeweler for fear that it may shatter the fragile illusion that her brain has created.

That is all...

Some people you just can't reach...

8 minutes ago, amaninjapan said:

I don't want anything, guys........ except for all of us just to calm down, forget the name warpig and just focus on kickass lithos.

 

Can't we all just get along?

I have already gone on record as stating that I don't really care that he is selling fake product; but it is wrong that he is passing fake off as real and people are getting fooled.

We had that guy selling the London copies a while back but he was clearly stating they were copies... I saw nothing wrong with that and actually applaud his ingenuity. He was just filling a void after all. Warpig is just filling his pockets.

i am not looking to fight with anyone, I was just presenting the evidence; even if it is circumstantial, to inform people so they can make an educated decision on their own before they make a purchase.

My suggestion that Esssstranged admit that he just might have been wrong was meant as a jest and I would hope that he got the humor in it. This is a friendly board.

14 hours ago, Esssssstranged said:

Now I'm warpig? Lmao ok...

Not saying you are warpig, but you staunchly defended his actions which might draw suspicion from some to say the least.. I did a little amatuer sleuthing and this is what I found.

I will not reveal names, but anyone interested can easily find the specifics on their own.

Check warpig's eBay user Id history and you see he has been a member since 1999 and has had two user id's in that time. His first was an email address ending in "@aol.com"...

Take the user ID he has been using since 1999 and add the "@aol.com" to the end and you can probably guess his email address... warpigxx@aol.com...

Google said email address and you get a name... Initials "J.P." In Brooklyn NY...

Google this name + Brooklyn NY and it points to a business in Brooklyn NY with the initials S.F. Inc...

This business? Founded in 1983 is a small cotton mill business dealing in fabric and design. With 10 employees and about 1 million in annual sales... they are not big enough to maintain their own website, but they do own the domain.

What does all this suggest? I present to you that Warpig has access/owns printing equipment at this business location and all those tour shirts he is shilling on eBay are most definitely bootleg.

If he is bootlegging T-Shirts, he can most definitely bootleg lithographs. That would be much more lucrative for him... He acquires an original, and makes high quality copies to sell to the uninformed.

And you have to ask yourself why someone who works at a small cotton fabric business in Brooklyn NY would have an "in" with the band and be able to have access to all these special unnumbered "VIP" lithographs to sell on the secondary market?

amaninjapan and I would like to hear you admit that you just might have been wrong about warpig right about now.

4 minutes ago, amaninjapan said:

I keep running the situation through my mind and it just feels so sketchy. I tried to look at answers for both sides of the equation and these are my skeptical responses:

Why wouldn't he number the lithos himself?
a) Maybe he doesn't have a legit litho laying around so he doesn't have the ability to copy the handwriting and correct pen type? We know some are done in pencil, pen and paint marker.
b) Maybe by not putting numbers on it, he's leaving himself some wiggle room when it comes to trying to pass off fakes? By selling them without numbers one could argue that there's no way he was trying to pass them off as 'real' because 'everybody knows real ones all have numbers'

Why not make prints of the more expensive lithos?
a) Maybe he doesn't have access to scans of them?

He has claimed he has a hook up in North America but now he's selling Australian lithos too.

As for having a New Orleans - It always reminds me of a line from the first or second season of The X-Files - "A lie is most convincingly hidden between two truths." What better way to pass off fakes than to mix them in with the occasional legit litho? Why worry about maybe selling a real litho for below-value if you're making pure profit selling a hundred fakes?

I think he's really exploiting a niche market here. If he priced them at like $20 then everyone would know they're fake and maybe he wouldn't sell as many. But make them $75 or $100, then you rake in both people who don't realize they're fake PLUS people who are willing to buy a fake because they would rather spend $75 on a fake than $250 or $300 on an authentic one.

Even if we were to give this guy the benefit of the doubt (and I'm firmly in the 'don't reward this guy for his behavior' camp) - he would STILL be flooding the marketplace with items that aren't legitimate, authentic sold-at-the-concert lithos. Which if it wasn't bad enough by itself, it would - like you said - give OTHER people the opportunity to buy them, write their own numbers on them and then flood the market with even WORSE fakes. It's a lose-lose-lose situation for all involved.

Your idea about having some sort of litho number archive is good but honestly I think it'd be hard to implement. There's no way that the small group of people here collecting lithos would have a significant percentage of the lithos so we'd be archiving only a small handful of them anyway. Plus there's nothing preventing people from lying unless we expect people to take photos and then it's just a whole lot of effort for not a lot in return. For example, there's like what maybe 10 people here with a Cincinnati? Even if we believed everyone when they provided their litho number, there's still a couple of hundred out there unaccounted for

I like how you think amaninjapan... Too often people are willing to believe a story without looking at the whole picture or looking at all the clues.

As I said, the most damning piece of evidence that he is selling fakes is the absence of the numbers added during the print process from the original printer (for those print shops that went that route).

Remember that some people were worried that their "eBay bought litho" was fake because the number was printed and not hand-written? There is no way some of his lithos were produced at the same time as the originals. His story completely falls apart right there.