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19 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

First of all:  @killuridols have a great time!

Axl's life style: One can say Axl is a poser, pretentious etc and that's all there is (many people have this opinion on him), but I think most people in this thread agree that he's much more complicated than that. We have discussed this thoroughly before. Axl always (or at least since he became successful) liked grandiosity and luxury; he stated so himself, he never hid it, and in that sense he wasn't a poser. He saw nothing wrong in him being a rockstar and he didn't understand why other people thought of that as a negative thing and they didn't like him because of it. At that time (early nineties) he was making an effort to deal with his issues through "regression therapy", but although he managed to get over some of those things, he was still far from being a mentally stable and balanced person; he developed other issues, mainly a delusion of grandeur. But now I don't think it's about that, i.e. being a rockstar or feeling superior etc. It's more a comfort zone for him.

And I agree that this is a very interesting remark (welcome, btw ):

I think some quotes from this interview back your point. It was the only time in the recent years Axl opened up a bit about his feelings:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/music/2012/10/30/axl-rose-exclusive-interview-gnr-vegas-residency/1669311/

http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/music/2012/10/30/axl-rose-on-gnr-music-more/1669329/

In GNR's early years, Rose worked out the "angst, frustration and rebellion" of his painful upbringing on stage and off.

"I was expressing my emotions and took that as far as you can and still be alive," he says. "I could beat my mike stand into the stage but I was still in pain. Maybe fans liked it, but sometimes people forget you're a person and they're more into the entertainment value. It's taken a long time to turn that around and give a strong show without it being a kamikaze show.

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During his reclusive years before the release of Chinese, "I spent a lot of time in Vegas and didn't get bothered. I wasn't gambling or partying at the time. I'd go walking at night, just watching people. I was out more than people thought."

Divorced and unattached, Rose says the Vegas stint could prove risky.

"I've been married in Vegas before," to model Erin Everly in 1990, he says. "This could be my demise."

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Seclusion and ducking the media: "I just didn't go places where media was. I wasn't interested at the time. If the place to go was some restaurant in Hollywood, I went to the Valley. There was so much negativity, I didn't see any way to go public. I felt I was going to be slammed. The rock entertainment world just wanted to sell magazines."

Psychological issues: "I worked out a lot of them. It was strange to get successful and lose almost your entire family. Then you end up with daytime TV talk shows. All of a sudden, things considered horrific when I was growing up were so what? You were abused? Who cares? There should be more of a public acknowledgement of reality. When I talked to Rolling Stone about it, I thought people would take a harder look at my stepdad. Instead, they came down harder on me. That's still confusing to me. But surviving at any level is good. I'm a lot better than a lot of people predicted. They were rooting for the opposite. There were things on the Internet about how I'd be found dead. I had a very dark attitude."

I'd like to comment more on this subject, but I feel exhausted after a very long day (I don't know if I'll manage to stay up for the show )

I've been reading a book called "Everybody Loves Our Town: An Oral History of Grunge". Actually it's a collection of quotes from people associated, as the title states, with the grunge movement. There are a couple of very interesting bits about Axl, mainly in relation to Kurt Cobain and Courtney Love, that I haven't heard before, which give some more insight on his personality. Has anyone else read it?

 

Thank you for the warm welcome. I will definitely be reading this interview as well as the book.

Just now, giuls said:

I think she means that he's never going to be totally fine and functional, setting aside the traumas that (until recently?) he didn't get help for, he's surrounded by people that enable him and he lives in a way that doesn't really land himself to a "calm" life style, he's waaaaay better than he was, thou, and i'm happy for him as long as he happy.

I can dig that. And you are absolutely correct.

This is what I meant about my earlier post. I wish we had these days back.

1 minute ago, Padme said:

He is someone who needed great deal of help because of the horrible childhood problems he had. But he never got real professional help. He got weird ass people and lame ass regression therapy. On top of that only yes men around him. Now I think it's too late to see great changes.

It's never too late my friend. As a black woman who grew up having to endure some of the same things Axl did, it changed me in a great deal of ways. I became a sex addict with a chip on my shoulder and at 35 was told I was a lost cause....well now five years later I no longer have that chip on my shoulder and those around me can tell the difference.  So there is still hope Mr. Rose.

1 hour ago, Tori72 said:

Thanks killuridols for all the insight. Have a great time over there!

Reading all this, it makes me really really miss the Axl Rose from the late 80ies until 92 or so. Sorry to be so blunt about it. And I hope I don't get into anybodys hair with this comment....

I know he always was into luxury lifestyle. He already had his own tourbus in 88 or at least 89, so that has always been the case. But back then he was still a rock n' roll guy, a band member, he still had street credibility. At least he still came across like this.

I don't see any rock n' roll left in Axl Rose right now. I see a millionaire without class or style. I def can see the Rock n' Roll and the music in Duff and Slash. Sorry, can I say that here? And yes, I know it's rediculous to complain about something like this, it's his life and life-choices. But well, I needed to let that out: I so miss that beautiful and wild and musically talented (and focused) man from back then.

I think Axl lives his live in a way that most survivors do, adamantly showing those who have colored his past that he is in control of his life and that they no longer get a say. I completely identify with him on so many levels....we have been involved in the fight so to speak.

9 hours ago, Padme said:

The thing is Steven was supposed to be a secret surprise. I think that's why they don't go out with Steven his wife. I'm not sure they know that Adler has been very visible  And if they know they are just jealouse that Steven being Steven doesn't give a fuck about secrecy bullshit anymore. Adler was always anti establishment. The only one with balls to confront Axl his stupidity.

Del James and Dizzy posted about being at a restaurant. But they talked about the Cubs championship, not much about their night out. I don't know if the rest of the band were there with them

9 hours ago, Frey said:

Right, I had forgotten about Steven being there too. That makes Slash and Duff look even douchier, considering Steven used be Slash's best friend and everything (before he exchanged him for Duff).

I don't know, I'm glad they get along so well and are close, but generally speaking it wouldn't hurt them to reach out to Axl, Izzy and Steven a bit more as well. Steven would jump at the chance, Axl and Izzy they'd probably have to drag out of their shell a bit, but ultimately it would be good for all of them if they actually want to have a future as a band or at least want to write songs together.

Maybe I'm delusional, but I'm still holding out hope for new music (and to see all of the original 5 on stage together at least once), and I think there's a better chance of that happening if they spend time with each other and bond with each other. If they just keep to themselves, the best case scenario is that we're gonna get Chinese leftovers with Slash solos on them, worst case scenario is we get nothing except the cash grab tour.

I couldn't agree with you more and lets not forget how close Axl and Slash were. Even though I know it's not the case, Slaxl almost blurred the line between good friends and lovers...jmo

12 minutes ago, Tori72 said:

Thanks for this comment. I can relate to this and understand better. And this is why my heart still goes out to the Axl inside the Axl... If you know what i mean. I have great respect and awe for all the survivors out there.

I have followed this band from the moment AFD hit the shelves and over the years, I have studied Axl's behavior and researched his past. It really stuck with me that we shared the same color gray. 

38 minutes ago, Tori72 said:

Thanks killuridols for all the insight. Have a great time over there!

Reading all this, it makes me really really miss the Axl Rose from the late 80ies until 92 or so. Sorry to be so blunt about it. And I hope I don't get into anybodys hair with this comment....

I know he always was into luxury lifestyle. He already had his own tourbus in 88 or at least 89, so that has always been the case. But back then he was still a rock n' roll guy, a band member, he still had street credibility. At least he still came across like this.

I don't see any rock n' roll left in Axl Rose right now. I see a millionaire without class or style. I def can see the Rock n' Roll and the music in Duff and Slash. Sorry, can I say that here? And yes, I know it's rediculous to complain about something like this, it's his life and life-choices. But well, I needed to let that out: I so miss that beautiful and wild and musically talented (and focused) man from back then.

I think Axl lives in a way that most survivors do, adamantly showing those who have colored his past that he is in control of his life and that they no longer get a say. I completely identify with him on so many levels....we have been involved in the fight so to speak.

20 hours ago, Andy14 said:

@killuridols has arrived to Buenos Aires ...let the show begin 

Did the man ever wear pants? LOL...not that I'm complaining mind you