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I'm in a November Rain situation and trust me it's a nightmare

I'm in a November Rain situation and trust me it's a nightmare

On Thursday, April 19, 2018 at 9:05 PM, papashaun said:

https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/motley_crue_ripped_off_dr_feelgood_from_gnr_but_gnr_did_nothing_about_it_because_drugs_manager_says.html

 

Well, allegedly, Motley Crue's most recognizable song in their catalog was a GnR rip off........that should tell you something. 

I don't doubt Nikki (I know 14 year olds who play better than him) stole songs but the story's from Doug Goldstein a proven lying douche so...I don't know if it's true or not 

On Thursday, April 12, 2018 at 5:45 PM, ludurigan said:

"My goal was to finish what I started, and Izzy’s too. Iz is just as heartbroken as I am that the three of them decided to leave us out and bring three strangers in–who are those people?"
[Steven Adler, Hysteriamag.com, April 2018]

Full interview here = http://www.hysteriamag.com/steven-adler-guns-blazin/

 

I don't think heartbroken and Izzy fuck with each other at all.

Jokes apart I don't think Izzy gives a fuck about the reunion. If he gets paid well he'll do it else not. 

Slash? I don't know the exact reason why's he doing it. Maybe coz of the divorce sucking him out of half his money (his ex wife is a joke 😂) or maybe because he genuinely wanted to do it because he did seem open to the idea of a reunion. 

No special thoughts on Duff

Axl don't know why's he doing it 

Steven seems the only one who is heartbroken over it. 

PS for whatever reasons they're doing it, the outcome is fucking awesome. 

On Wednesday, February 21, 2018 at 6:38 AM, RONIN said:

Agreed. Horrid band imho - but I wasn't around for their glory days. I first heard of them through all the media coverage of Tommy Lee's infamous tape w/ Pam Anderson back in the day. 

That tape scarred me mentally 

5 hours ago, Tom2112 said:

Take half of your favourite bands and split the individual members up, lots of them will be just ok, not great on their own, it's about what they bring to the table when they are all together.

And I don't know, I don't think GNR get lumped in with the hair metal movement all that often, mostly they get mentioned as one of the bands that was on the fringe of it doing something different "the antithesis of what was going on at the time" is the popular quote. Every once in a while they do unfairly get lumped in with that sort of thing, but it's usually some tabloid or rag website that doesn't know anything about rock or metal that makes such claims... so who cares

And not to disagree with everything  but they get shit for the break up because the whole thing was so avoidable and such a cliched rock n roll story... and then the whole decade (which I was a fan of) that followed after it, which only furthered that.

Totally agree. But the fabulous thing about Guns is how, even after the nasty breakup, they still sold more than their contemporaries.  

14 hours ago, Tom2112 said:

🤔 whatever works for you. But Motley were a big influence on the LA rock scene... And yes even guns were influenced by Motley even if that influence was just the "we can do it too" sort of thing.

Don't think Motley are overrated at all, I think most people myself included say that they had a great setlist for a concert (similar to a band like the foo fighters) but once you dig a little deeper in the catalogue things start going awry slightly.

Never denied their influence on the LA rock scene. But they're definitely overrated, even if I think Dr Feelgood is decent. Nikki Sixx isn't that terrific as a bass player nor is Vince a great vocalist. 

What I dislike is how Guns get counted as one of the glam bands still by some general public. They get too much shit for their break up. 

Arrgh please you bitches really think I meant this as a serious question? 

Y'all really think I'm gonna put November Rain VS Home sweet Home? When I know the obvious case? 

I just wanted y'all to shade the fuck outta the overrated asf Motley Crüe

1 minute ago, RONIN said:

Motley is not even in the same league as GnR. It would be like comparing Bush/Creed to Nirvana imho. 

Agree. Guns opened for Motley and ended up becoming much bigger than them. Motley, Skid Row, Ratt, Quiet Riot, all are the same. The reason I brought this up was because I saw this documentary on VH1 about sunset strip and everyone was equating Guns with the other cheesy Glam metal bands. I was like "Fuck that" 

But on a side note, Motley were consistent. Released albums, went on farewell tour, etc. But except for like Mick, I don't think others are as talented as they'd like to think. 😁

21 minutes ago, IncitingChaos said:

Asking a bunch of GNR fans this will have a predictable outcome. 

However, the name Guns N Roses brings up names like Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, Rolling Stones, ACDC, Queen.

Motley Crue never quite came into that category when people are mentioning these larger than life classic rock bands. 

The material is all subjective. 

People with common sense will go with Guns N' Roses because even if this is a guns forum, no one can tell me Vince is a better singer than Axl😂

Guns brought something absolutely new something that hasn't been accomplish since them. It's like they were the last of the great classic rock bands. 

Motley were inferior/mediocre with their material. 

Who's had more impact on the rock n' roll/hard rock scene? Imo it's Guns N' Roses (even tho the original line-up separated). Better musicians, better singer, better 5-album discography, bigger tours, better songwriting, etc. Now Guns didn't last forever just like November Rain but let's see, even then, their reunion tour (which doesn't include Izzy, Steven) they're still selling out stadiums, arenas and NITL tour became the 4th highest grosser of all time. Motley can't sell like Guns, but imo they were consistent. What y'all think?

Btw are they still beefing? I know Slash went on Nikki's radio show, etc. But Axl and Vince haven't patched up I guess. 

btw thanks everyone for replying to this thread. 😎😎😎😁😁😁🎊🎊🎉🎉

(I just pulled out an Axl with them emojis 😂)

8 hours ago, RONIN said:

Check out Speechless and Whatever Happens - then keep moving along. 

It's MJ's Chinese Democracy imho. Uneven with a few spots of greatness.

Both of them felt like I was listening to out-of-touch icons struggling to redefine themselves for a new era. There's a tentativeness to those albums that is palpable unfortunately. I thought Axl's album was less disappointing though.

I'm an MJ fan but Speechless, The Lost Children, Cry suck major ass. 

Whatever Happens is a gem. And rest of Invincible too. Break of Dawn is another great track.  

10 hours ago, double talkin jive mfkr said:

MJ is beyond legend status and Axl is not in the same league 

I find it a complete travesty of the world we live in that he was wacked along with Tupac for basically being black and mega famous 

While I do agree with you, Axl was THE ultimate rock god. He was unique. There's many talented folks out there but few touch upon the God-like stature. And you get surprised if any of those gods make it past a certain age. It's as if they're not meant to be living long. MJ (there was every chance he would've been alive if it wasn't for his homicide), Hendrix, Biggie, Tupac, Marvin Gaye, etc. None made it. 

It's surprising Axl has made it alive with his mental state. Gotta give him respect for that. 

9 hours ago, TheGeneral said:

Been called that many times. It ain't easy being a Michael Jackson fan 😂

I've always wondered how awesome would it be if they covered Give In To Me? With Axl on vocals in full rasp mode I think that would sound awesome and it would fit. Maybe around June 25th/August 29th.

I think I remember Axl saying that MJ was one of his favorite singers in a recent interview (recent being the last 8 years lol)

It was that list (2014) where Axl mentioned MJ as one of the singers he'd listen to than himself. Wonder what he thought about Michael. Michael loved GN'R tho. Michael was very intrigued by the whole Sunset Boulevard metal scene. He'd ask Steve Stevens who played on Dirty Diana about Motley Crüe. 

Yeah Give In To Me is badass. Slash, Gilby were in the video. Wonder if Axl liked it or not. 😛

20 hours ago, cooker said:

have you not seen Ghost music video? 

 

Michael was actually dressed similar to Tom Sneddon the guy who was hell bent loose on having Michael in jail since '93 allegations. By grace of God he died of cancer. The whole ghost short film was a depiction of what Michael was going through with the media. Another one of the symbolisms he'd use in his short films- same way Axl did UYI short films. 

7 minutes ago, RussTCB said:

Acoording to @Oldest Goat you and I are crazy LOL

None should be embarrassed about their music taste. I listen to pop(not the current scene), heavy metal, hard rock, black metal, speed metal, Glam metal rap, hip hop, trip hop, house, industrial, jazz, classical, reggae, etc. 

When I was in school it was a cool thing to like MJ. If you loved him you were looked as superior.😁

12 minutes ago, TheGeneral said:

It really is. I love every track on it.

Maybe I should add that the only artist I love more than GNR is MJ.

Been a fan since 2007, and not just a "fan". I know everything about that dude, every song 😂

I'm actually amazed the love HIStory gets from the non fanbase. They Don't Care About Us is what made me a fan. 

3 hours ago, RussTCB said:

I'm gonna nitpick here and point out that MJ at least released both HIStory and Invincible past '91. Invincible is far from perfect but it does have some great material on it. As far as HIStory goes yes, the first disc is just a GH compilation, but the second disc is a new album. The second disc of HIStory happens to be my favorite MJ album.

Invincible is actually a masterpiece. The whole bullshit with Sony was ugly yet it sold 13M ww. MJ doesn't get any appreciation for his later work tho. They Don't care about us, Earth song, Stranger in Moscow are brilliant tracks. 

49 minutes ago, RONIN said:

There's actually quite a few similarities between the redhead and the gloved one aside from the fact that they both are extremely talented (musical geniuses?) and went into major pop-culture decline circa 1993. MJ had the first child molestation allegations in '93 and Axl had the wife beating allegations in '93 as well.

1. They're OCD perfectionists - they will toil over a single song for god knows how long and add all kinds of layers of odd/unnecessary vocal tics. A single song will go through countless revisions in the studio.

2. They're both extravagant - Everything they did was in grand style. Both had obscenely expensive videos. Invincible is the most expensive album ever made. Chinese Democracy is the most expensive rock album ever made. 

3. They love to overproduce their albums and loathe a raw sound for their songs - see #1.

4. Vanity and ego driven - Both are self absorbed and love sycophants and adulation. In their prime, the videos they made capture their vanity and ego pretty well. Each one views themselves as an auteur who is solely responsible for their success - they have difficulty crediting or valuing people who helped them achieve their vision and fame (MJ - Quincy Jones, Axl - his band)

5. They are both musically/vocally versatile - Axl and MJ can do a lot of different styles of music well. They're not afraid to experiment

6. Neither enjoy touring/releasing music - Post-1991, MJ took years to release his albums and famously loathed touring. 

7. Ruthless businessmen who are not above screwing over their own friends for money/control - MJ screwed over his friend Paul McCartney in purchasing the Beatles catalogue. Axl screwed over his bandmates through his legal shenanigans. 

8. Both of them got increasingly out of touch with reality as time went on and are considered batshit crazy. 

9. Their artistic/creative peak was in 1991 when both respectively released Dangerous and Use your Illusion 1 and 2. Neither topped those albums. 

10. Both have/had an out of control entourage and inner circle of enablers who eventually led them to ruin personally and professionally.

11. Both also fell victim to success and became stuck/paralyzed creatively when following up their earlier albums - they never really reinvented their sound after the early 90's. MJ kept trying to top Thriller while Axl kept trying to top AFD - both were unsuccessful there.

12. They are both worldclass showmen/entertainers - perhaps the top of their class respectively. 

13. Both have instantly recognizable and iconic vocals/stage wear (Axl's kilt and headband, MJ's gloves and pennyloafers).

14. Both of them cracked under media scrutiny in their prime and became increasingly private and guarded towards the press. Their appearance/life have been relentlessly mocked by the media in their later years. One was known dubbed by the media as the Howard Hughes of Pop. The other, the Howard Hughes of rock.

15. MJ and Axl are extremely polarizing figures in music (they can invoke anything from intense devotion to strong hatred). Both have a mythic/larger than life mystique surrounding them.

Agree and disagree too. While MJ did credit Quincy for his success, Quincy was the one who has dismissed Michael's contribution to his albums. Q couldn't have the success he had with Thriller, BAD, OFF The Wall. He didn't even want Billie Jean, Smooth Criminal on the albums. Q took credit for Michael's songwriting on songs Michael had made demos at home. 

Reason why MJ dumped Q. 

While the allegations against MJ were a joke, sadly the allegations against Axl were true.  

Both had their depressive periods during the same time. 

9 hours ago, cooker said:

"This forum has nothing to do with Michael Jackson" 

It's not that deep fam

1 hour ago, Derick said:

Agree on the "everybody was talented and contributed to create the brilliant music" but I disagree when you try to put it as a sufficient condition to justify their success. That´s not true. You can lean on the romanticized idea that in a band all members are equal, that everyone contributes in the same way, that everyone strives the same way but it´s not. 

We all know that the band's main visionary (from the beginning) was Axl and that the band had members who was there just for fun and wanted to just make songs, play them in clubs, make some money and that was all, without big ambitions. Others just got carried away by the wave of success..

I would tell you that good songs only open a possible path to success, but to get there and stay there a musician has to work a lot besides making music, he has to throw himself in the eye of the hurricane, go out for extensive tours, videos, expose himself to the public and do whatever it takes for these brilliant music to reach the people..because without those things there is no success. You can compose the most incredible songs in the Universe, but without a good job behind it there is no success.

Anyway..At that time, alongside Slash and Duff, he may rather be considered a workaholic. Take a look at what they did at Illusions era, look at the amount of shows around the world and videos they did, look at all the production and work they have on the November Rain, Don't Cry and Estranged videos. To me much of the success they're making on the NITL tour comes from the hard work that they did back then and it's not just about the songs I'm talking about.

 

Thank you

22 minutes ago, gnr5 said:

Hmm, really? Axl was late for most of 88 through 2014..not giving a shit about his fans. You don't see him interacting with fans outside of the show, I'm not saying he's a dick to people because we've all have seen him taking pictures but "Care about fans" is a stretch. I agree with the other poster earlier on this thread, the only real similarity is that they are both a little weird and are somewhat out of touch with reality.

The whole "weird and out of touch with reality" is due to MJ being INFJ and Axl being INTP. INxx part is what makes them different. And the reason I click with both of 'em-I'm an INTJ

Btw it's Myers Briggs personality type (psychology)

9 minutes ago, gnr5 said:

Hmm, really? Axl was late for most of 88 through 2014..not giving a shit about his fans. You don't see him interacting with fans outside of the show, I'm not saying he's a dick to people because we've all have seen him taking pictures but "Care about fans" is a stretch. I agree with the other poster earlier on this thread, the only real similarity is that they are both a little weird and are somewhat out of touch with reality.

I agree it's a stretch but however we can't ignore the fact he would stop shows midway to confront people who would throw stuff onstage. Remember how 2 fans got crushed at one of their shows? 

Also there were some reports saying Axl released UYI 1, 2 at the same time so that fans could afford buying. 

And yeah he's an asshole and I won't defend it. 😁

12 minutes ago, tremolo said:

That doesn’t make him a workaholic

Well then how do you think he became this successful? Many have described his work ethic as being strong.