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3 hours ago, Ratam said:
Interesting.
If this kind of non-story is the best he has to offer, then his book actually doesn't appear very interesting to me at first glance.
Though I guess I am mildly surprised that Axl seems to drink a lot of tea and even has a tea guy and opinions on what constitutes a good cup of tea. Axl didn't really strike me as a tea drinking kind of fella.
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3 hours ago, metallex78 said:
Slash has said in many interviews that he wanted to just call the band Snakepit, but it was the record company’s idea and push to add Slash to it. For a while it was referred to as S.V.O. Snakepit (Slash’s very own).
Yeah, but iirc correctly from the book Matt seemed to think the record conpany was just an excuse for Slash when he confronted him about it and didn't really buy it.
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4 hours ago, Ant said:
Can anyone fill me in on what he said about recording with Snakepit? What about it was contentious or whatever?
Iirc correctly, first Matt was pissed off with Slash for calling the band Slash's Snakepit (instead of just Snakepit).
Later Matt was pissed off with Slash for not consulting with him about the singer for the record (and maybe also not asking his opinion about everything in general).
Slash just went ahead with a singer he liked and when Matt heard the result he hated it, threw a hissy fit and told Slash not to use his drumming on the record anymore.
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On 27.7.2020 at 11:19 PM, soon said:
I adore the voice Axl uses in the verses. Might be the most 'real' Axl singing we've gotten, along with Its Alright. Like thats how he'd sing along to that song at home. Its neat to feel like you get behind the veil of his epic vocal performances. There a purity to it. And it sounds beautiful.
I adore that voice too and I don't understand why he didn't use it more (or doesn't use it more if he still sounds like that). Makes me kind of sad we don't have many recordings of him singing like that.
Yes, it's not as unique as the screaming/screeching raspy singing he's famous for, but his more 'natural' singing voice is really nice and very pleasant to listen to.
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11 hours ago, The Holographic Universe said:I felt the same way about the Snakepit album. His disclosure bummed me out. He is quite narcissistic. The Stephanie Seymour disclosures were fucked up. He had no reason to reveal that information. His backstage antics are just juvenile. I’m glad Slash and Duff were not like Matt. He claimed he had to school them to be rock stars. Slash and Duff are musicians first and foremost.
I was also surprised to hear that the Snakepit album was a product of bitchiness and in-fighting as well.
The thing about Slash and Duff being too stupid to get women and how he had to teach them how to be rockstars was absolutely obnoxious.
And that's just one of many examples in the book. I'm not talking about stuff like Slash screwing him over again and again, but about the small, pity little digs at them throughout the book.
Like how he talks about Slash and Duff not showering after shows or not changing their clothes for long stretches of time.
Or how their diet was crap and consisted of junk food. Or how Slash had/has a weak stomach and would throw up after shows from the adrenaline or nerves or whatever.
While Matt of course knew the importance of healthy eating and of taking showers and was never a puking wreck like Slash after a show (someone like Matt has more important things to do after all, like selecting the best groupies before Sebastian Bach gets to them
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He's just so... self-aggrandizing, even about pointless little shit.
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I really like Shotgun Blues.
(Especially the "tired of the fustration... wired by indignation... etc." part.)
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4 hours ago, UsedYourIllusion said:
Does anyone know some major metal stars, besides Rob Halford, coming out?
I can't really think of anyone either apart from Halford.
The guy from Gorgoroth maybe (Gaahl?)
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9 hours ago, chinese stew said:
So after all the bitchin' n' whining about Slash being a backstabbing demon, Matt is wishing Slash a happy birthday all over social media.
Matt possibly thinks Slash doesn't know about the contents of the book yet (which may actually be true, afaik there's no proof the guys in the band had anything to do with the book not being released and it really might just be a corona thing), so he's still keeping up appearances.
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8 hours ago, Blackstar said:
About this:
(See Slash's comment in the post below)
Interesting. So Steven told that story about him and Slash twice (once in an interview and once in the book)? Or the book is the only source, but people misremembered this as an interview.
Slash's comment is about what I expected from him (whether true or not).
Would have been interesting to know though what other stuff was originally in that book that "incensed" the other guys if that comment is to be believed. Steven probably has a lot of dirt on all of them. They're all lucky Steven is generally good-natured and easy-going (at least when sober) and won't maliciously drag all of their skeletons out of the closet.
19 minutes ago, YOUCOULDBEMINE. said:The guy always had a million dollar smile when playing the drums. Kinda like a young labrador.
Steven's always reminded me of a Golden Retriever or a yellow Lab.
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I like it. Doesn't exactly blow me away, but it's one of the better covers of GNR songs out there.
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He talked in his book about giving blowjobs to other dudes for money.
Before that, he apparently also talked in an old interview about him and Slash turning tricks for money, if recent discussion at GNFNR is to be believed. Can't imagine Slash ever admitting to sthg like that, but Steven probably didn't have much of a filter during his drug years and apparently at least as far as he himself is concerned it's the truth, since he talked about it again in his book later on.
I think he also once played himself in some crappy low-budget movie and got raped by a serial killer in that movie. Or something like that, I don't really remember, but it was... bizarre.
All of that doesn't really have much to do with bisexuality and doesn't necessarily have to mean anything, but combined with some other stuff like the quotes above, it wouldn't surprise me if he is indeed bisexual. In which case, good for him. Glad he seems comfortable with his sexuality.
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Axl hanging out with young women/models etc. to mostly just talk to them (or rather talk at them) is nothing new. There were quite a few pictures/videos/stories about that around the same time this apparently happened. I vaguely remember some girl(s) that hung out in the tour bus saying that he just liked talk and that he would talk about Slash a lot.
The story itself sounds believable, especially considering that Beta has made Axl choose between her or someone/something else at least once before (when she threatened to leave if Axl didn't make her and her kids the managers of the band). So this sounds like the kind of emotional manipulation she would engage in.
(Though I could also see Axl using TB members to get rid of hang-ons he's grown tired of or that have gotten a bit too clingy. But knowing how Beta acts from incidents like the one I mentioned above or the way she (over-)reacts on social media to various things, I'm leaning more towards her acting on her own in this story than her acting on Axl's orders.)
As for the video, I also hear "wife".
Seems like the girls in the video (who don't really understand English) hear the word manager and ask "Beta?" because Beta's often been referred to as Axl's manager and that's what they probably know her as. Then Axl clarifies what Beta is to him, as opposed to the kind of actual manager he was talking about (Goldstein).
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3 hours ago, History2010 said:
Why is it hard for some people to understand that some of us just don't like how Myles sounds? I've listened to all the albums, watched a large amount of live videos and then went and watched SMKC live in person and it just doesn't do anything for me. It has nothing to do with jealousy or whatever LMAO
I will always pick Mickey because at the end of the day that's still Axl Rose and there's no one like him while there's a whole lot of artists like Myles Kennedy.
Exactly. I wish I could like SMKC, but I don't.
And it's got nothing to do with being jealous that Axl can't sing anymore. I'm perfectly capable of disliking both Myles' singing AND Axl's current singing.
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I feel kinda bad for saying this because Myles strikes me as a really nice guy and very professional, but his voice is just so boring to me (verging on unpleasant at times). And so was every song I've ever heard from SMKC. They're... okay, but feel very generic to me and I've never had an urge to listen to any of these songs more than once or twice. Whatever it is Slash, Myles and the rest of the band are doing isn't really doing do it for me, I guess.
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3 hours ago, Blackstar said:
Yes, I think Axl at one point had a big issue with Slash playing with other people so often in general, especially big names. It's interesting that Matt mentioned it in his book (and he mentioned MJ specifically) as the main reason he thinks Axl wanted to take control of the band. Maybe Axl felt insecure or that there was a plan behind Slash doing that, like that he was trying to establish a career for himself outside GnR (so he wasn't concerned whether GnR would remain successful as much as Axl was) - and with MJ there was the additional issue of the accusations, and the fact that Slash continued playing with him although he knew that Axl was very sensitive about child abuse.
Sounds very plausible to me. Especially when you consider that Matt sided with Axl in his book on this issue, if I remember correctly. This is one of the topics he should have gone into more detail on (or well, on that entire era of the band actually).
3 hours ago, Blackstar said:Maybe his opinion changed after MJ was acquitted in court. But, iirc, he mentioned him as one of the singers he thought should be above him in the greatest singers' list, not necessarily as one of his favourites. In any case, I think Axl could always be objective as far as acknowledging someone's talent even if he had personal problems with them. For example, he once said that although he had problems with Johnny Thunders, it didn't have anything to do with his music which he loved.
Right, I agree. Which is why I personally believe he probably still dislikes Michael Jackson, but hard to tell with him not sharing his thoughts on much of anything (besides US politics) these days.
3 hours ago, Blackstar said:This is interesting. I hadn't read this Slash interview before.
36 minutes ago, The Matinator said:Thought it was a different quote than that one but I could be remembering incorrectly
There may be another quote of Slash saying something similar. As I read through this thread, I remembered Slash saying something about keeping his son away from MJ many years ago and this interview is what turned up when I tried to search for that quote. But I'm not sure if it's actually the one I had in mind because reading through the whole interview, I felt like I had never read that one before either.
8 hours ago, Blackstar said:Tom Zutaut has also alluded to it:
Zutaut: If Axl would take his greatest press visibility of his career and he would use that to try and save one child's life from sexual abuse, how do you think he would feel about his guitar player playing with a guy who admitted in court documents that he drove to some ten-year-old boy's house and slept with him in the ten-year-old's bed in the room next door to the mom for 168 days in a row? [BBC, "The most dangerous band in the world", 2016]
4 minutes ago, Blackstar said:Taking into account the quote from Tom Zutaut that I've posted above, I assume that, even if it doesn't consist proof of molestation in itself, hearing that someone was sleeping in the same bed with children could be enough to creep many people out, more so someone like Axl who was sensitive about child abuse.
I don't know much about Michael Jackson or the court cases against him, but if what Zutaut said is true, and I assume it is, if it's taken from court documents, then that certainly strikes me as creepy and totally inappropriate as well (it's hard to think of a wholly innocent reason for a grown man desiring to share a bed with some other family's child for a prolonged period of time).
If I'm remembering this right, Tom Zutaut made the statement above after making some very disturbing claims about Axl's own childhood in the documentary you cited here, so viewed within the context of that... I could certainly see this weird bed sharing thing (or any other rumor he may have heard) being more than enough for Axl to make up his mind about MJ.
Though frankly, Zutaut himself also creeped me out with the stuff he said there about Axl (especially since Axl has never said anything like that publically, as far as I know). Depending on the truthfulnes of Zutaut's claims, they either make me question his credibility as a source in general or his morals and character as a human being. Either way I find it harder to take anything he says at face value now.
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From what I remember, Axl made at least 2 negative comments about Michael Jackson:
- the comment at the VMAs ("This has nothing to do with Michael Jackson" or something like that)
- and a few years later, when talking about Slash:
Calling Slash "negatively seductive," Rose recalled feeling hurt in his fallout with the guitarist, who left the band in 1996. "I mean, with Slash, I remember crying about all kinds of things in my life, but I had never felt ... hot, burning tears of anger. Basically, to me, it was because I am watching this guy and I don't understand it. Playing with everyone from Space Ghost to Michael Jackson. I don't get it. I wanted the world to love and respect him. I just watched him throw it away."
So Axl definitely did seem to feel very negatively about Michael Jackson (or at least didn't seem to have much respect for him) for quite some time. But more recently, he listed him as one of his favorite singers, so maybe his opinion has changed.
As for Slash, he may have defended MJ quite a bit in the past, but he didn't actually trust him to get too close to his own son either:
Would you let Michael Jackson meet your children?
Cait, Streatham
I already did! Michael met my eldest, London, when London was one or two years old, at the home of [film producer] Robert Evans, of all places. And no, I didn’t let Michael hold him. No offence to Michael but, at the time, with all that unnerving shit going down, I held on to him tight. You know, I give the benefit of the doubt to Michael on everything – innocent until proven guilty and whatnot – but I was thinking, okay Michael, you figure out your shit and I’ll hold on to my son! But I like Michael a lot, and I enjoyed recording those two albums with him. He’s different.This is I think pretty illustrative of a major difference between Slash and Axl- Slash is well aware of everything going on with MJ and wouldn't let him near his own son, yet he was still willing to work with him and give him the benefit of the doubt. For Axl on the other hand, I think the rumors and accusations against MJ would probably have been enough to no want anything to do with MJ if he found them believable. Slash always tries to remain on good terms with everyone (at least superficially), while Axl is much more "black and white" about the way he sees things and much more radical about cutting people off. And given his own history and everything, I could see Axl finding it very hard to understand (or even upsetting) that Slash would choose to work with someone like MJ.
So I think there may be some truth to this story, though I also agree that this wasn't the main reason the band/Axl and Slash's relationship fell apart. More like one of many reasons.
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All things considered, I'm mainly just glad that all of them seem to have stopped feuding and seem to get along, or are on speaking terms with each other at least (can't know about the current Izzy situation, but no one's trash talking each other and they claim to love him etc. so things can't be too bad).
New music? Izzy rejoining the band in some capacity? Sure, that'd be awesome and I'd love that, but if it never happens, I won't be too upset, because the main thing I still wanted to happen for this band has already happened.
When I discovered and got into GnR, the idea of Axl and Slash (+Duff) ever burying the hatchet (let alone sharing a stage or laughing and joking with each other again) seemed completely impossible, a hopeless situation. People on message boards where discussing whether Axl or Slash would show up to each other's funerals if one of them were to suddenly die (with the consensus being 'no'). It was... dire.
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1 hour ago, Blackstar said:
I get what he's trying to do with the chorus of Slither: a harmony with Duff singing lower and him singing higher. As an idea it's not bad at all, I think it would sound fantastic with his classic high-pitched raspy voice. But he doesn't have this voice anymore, so...
Yeah, it sounds like that's what they were going for, but it's as you said...
Maybe they should try to work out a harmony with Axl and Melissa (Axl singing lower, Melissa higher). I like her singing and wouldn't mind hearing her more prominently during shows, even though the idea probably makes some purists recoil in horror
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If I try to listen to this from a neutral perspective (not as a GnR fan), I've got to say Axl sounds pretty terrible every time he tries to sing those high parts, but still decent apart from that. Slither is a great example- mostly pretty good, but then the chorus hits you and I personally do find that chorus pretty painful to listen to.
However, I do think he probably tries his best and it's not going to get any better the older he gets. The times for great vocal performances are probably over and done with. I just wish he'd try to be a bit more creative with the way he sings and use his lower register wherever possible (e.g. the chorus of Slither, I don't see why he has to use his squeaky thin Mickey voice for that) and even if'd significantly change the songs from what we're used to.
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3 hours ago, Uniicorn said:
Her and Izzy seemed to have a interesting relationship from what I heard
How so?
And I can't see the pic either.
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5 hours ago, Blackstar said:It's not necessarily stuff that sounds too "terrible" at first glance, but stories that are partly altered, so they may not be accurate.
For example, the story about why Izzy left Hollywood Rose when Slash joined. Slash gave different versions in old interviews and in his book:
97.7 HTZ FM, January 1994:
https://www.a-4-d.com/t620-1994-01-dd-97-7-htz_fm-interview-with-slash
Slash's book:
Slash confuses the Hollywood Rose guitarists (Tracii Guns or Chris Weber), in the two versions, but he apparently refers to the same event (him joining Hollywood Rose and Izzy quitting).
The common thing in both versions is that Izzy left because he didn't like to be dictated/others making decisions for him. However, in the 1994 interview the one Izzy didn't like being dictated by was Slash who was "bossy"; whereas in the book it was Axl's fault because he had fired Weber without telling Izzy (btw there aren't any other sources confirming that Weber was fired).
Axl has claimed that there was rivalry between Slash and Izzy - and there seems to be some truth to that, based on some events and what they, Slash especially, said in old interviews. But in Slash's book, which was affected by his point of view and feelings after the breakup of the band, his relationship with Izzy is rather glossed over, and the pattern is that from the beginning it was just Axl on one side and the rest of the band together on the other.
That's interesting, great catch!
I totally see what you mean now. That kind of thing - subtly twisting the truth to make himself look better while making Axl look bad, like a dictator in this case - is exactly the kind of thing that I imagine would piss Axl off.
And it's something most people (like me) won't even notice, because it's not a direct criticism or insult, but it still helps to propagate a certain negative image of Axl in people's minds.
I feel like there are quite a few examples of Slash doing this kind of thing (and like I used to know a couple of them), but the only one I can think of at the moment is the famous one about signing over the name of the band, which Axl denied happened the way Slash (and Duff) described it. I'm heavily inclined to believe Axl on this one as well, as Axl's explanation of why it couldn't have gone down like that made sense to me and Slash and Duff probably were embarassed about having done something so dumb and wanted to save face (and iirc Doug Goldstein was involved in this mess too, which might have further muddied the waters of communication).
3 hours ago, Sydney Fan said:Is their a reason why axl would have had issues with slashs story of the HR lineup?. It was a brief and non successful period. They were just finding there way during the HR period.....
Yeah, but to Axl's it's probably yet another instance of Slash "lying to make himself look cool" (as Marc Canter I think put it), while making Axl look worse than he is. I can see how that would be aggravating to him, if it keeps happening...
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1 hour ago, Kranich said:
Lack of chemistry onstage is the biggest fuckin joke i have seen here in a long time. There are interactions and they look like they're havin fun.
Yeah, I haven't really watched videos or live streams from the more recent shows, but from what I remember from 2016/2017, they seemed to be enjoying themselves and interacted/joked around quite a bit.
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8 hours ago, Blackstar said:
And in the 2008 chats and in interviews after that. Axl always had unresolved issues, he seemed deeply hurt by the breakup and kept revisiting and rethinking events from the early days. I suspect part of the issues he had with Slash's book was about stuff regarding the early days, even the Hollywood Rose days.
I agree.
But about the last sentence- what stuff about the early/HR days do you suspect Axl had problems with? It's been quite some time since I read Slash's book, so I'm probably foegetting something, but off the top of my head I don't remember anything too terrible about him described in there when Slash talks about that time period.
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4 hours ago, Lio said:Yeah, finished it now. Good on Weiland. That is exactly right: 'Man, you're 40.' Very cringeworthy, the part where Ace made the girls bend over backstage 🙄
At the end of the book Matt seems to try and make up a bit, by saying he's grateful for GNR.
And 🤣 to people saying I'm being politically correct or hypocrite by being against the rating of and breaking in of young girls for a madam. If you think that's cool or badass, well...
It's a bit different than groupies.
Yes.
The story about Slash and Izzy having sex with some girl that's been brought up here for some reason or Slash and Axl having sex with 2 girls (if I remember these pictures correctly) or similar stuff is about something completely different and I don't think anyone has an issue with that, as long as everything was consensual and everyone was on board with it.
If you don't see the difference between that and a bunch of "young girls" (possibly exploited) being brought in like cattle to Sorum's place so he can "break them in" and "rate them" (
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That, combined with all the other stuff going on in the book and dating a teenager when you're a 40-something guy (more towards 50 than 40 if my maths is correct), and I'm not surprised all the other wives in VR hated him and thought he was a creep.
(I assume that includes Perla, and if Perla, who is pretty sleazy herself and has a lot of skeletons in the closet thinks you're a creep, then you probably are one.)
All in all, huge wasted opportunity. As others have said, less focus on his sex and drug life and more focus on GNR would have drastically improved the book and would have made him look better too. The bits and pieces we did get were interesting after all, he could have gone into more depth about these stories or told some more.
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Memoir of a Roadie Interview (GNR Roadie interview)
in GUNS N' ROSES - DISCUSSION & NEWS
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Thankfully, yes
But makes sense that he probably started drinking tea as a health/"help his voice" type of thing during that time. Also sort of fits with the alternative medicine/new age stuff he was so involved in back then.