ChrisW

What are they trying to do now that they never bothered to try for the last 8 years?  And that all the previous employees hadn't tried for all the years before that?

I assume it's just in the employment contracts they have to sign, telling them to lie about making a new album instead of telling the truth, that nothing's happened, nothing's happening now and nothing will happen in the future.  Might as well say Axl shows up every day with new music and lyrics, it's the rest of the band that's too lazy to do anything.

He could have started a youtube channel ten years ago.

He gets to be "special."  The cooks and plumbers in his mansion have to produce work on a regular basis or Axl would dump them.  That's how cults work.

On 5/1/2024 at 2:13 AM, SoulMonster said:

How is pointing out that Axl's low productivity is likely caused by other mental quirks than laziness, like debilitating insecurity and polar disorder, a defense of Axl?

Because it accomodates the hangers-on who've surrounded for over thirty years and done nothing to fix it.  At least if he's lazy, they can shrug and enjoy the high life he pays to keep them around.

Hell, maybe they want to keep him unproductive, it's not like he can do anything to stop them.  That would require making decisions and taking action with concrete results.

The purpose of the website is obvious, he's putting information together about what’s going on in Guns N’ Roses’ lives and how it's just as exciting and just as dangerous and just as heavy and just as real as people thought the hype scene to be.  One look at the website makes that clear.

There's been a lot of people who want to give orders and physically attack anyone who doesn't obey, even if that assault interferes with more important tasks like giving a concert or airport security.  Being in charge is what matters so if you need to beat your girlfriend, that's what's gonna happen.  If your fans all die of old age waiting for your next album, sucks to be them.

Most people don't get away with this as long as Axl has, but that powerlust is a lwell-known aspect of human nature.

Another G'n'R fan who only has a life of privilege.  People in the lower classes have to hear this sort of thing every day, but you wouldn't know that.

4 hours ago, sabian11 said:

Using AI is NOT creativity and using it to create a "new" GNR song is NOT a new GNR song only the humans in GNR can do that. No offense but that AI comment is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. 

We'll need a complete list of everything you've ever heard in your life if you want us to believe that.

You must have a very simple and easy life with no need or want, to so quickly measure everything you've ever heard.  Many people have heard more ridiculous things just this week, or month, or year, yet there you are, floating above us all.

I wish I could live a life where the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard since the day I was born was that someone on the internet says A.I. is creativity.  Are you at least happy about that?

You can use AI to create that.  People can already use it to put out new Guns'n'Roses songs, because that's how creativity works.  Meanwhile Axl is still re-recording that song about a pussy full of maggots who pissed him off in 1992.  Someday it will be ready for the world to hear.

That's how human nature works.

Or you'd be fighting to release it.  Or you'd be pointing out to your cult your fans why you've magically failed every attempt to release it for the last 30 years.  If someone points out this brand new invention called the internet, you'd start looking into how that works.  If you hate the internet and only want the music on CD, you'd be fighting to restore the CD industry.  You'd be putting these songs into your concerts so people can hear them.  All this would build interest from the few people who are still alive to remember when you were popular.

Did Elvis's daughter, Mrs. Mickael Jackson get to hear all the wonder new songs Axl had created in the last few decades?  Who knows, she's dead.  She was born rich and famous so they get privileges us peons aren't allowed, and that's who Axl works for.  The cooks in his mansion don't get to create food and hold onto it for decades until anyone else gets to eat it.

16 hours ago, SoulMonster said:

Because Axl, who is famous for being very particularly about how his music is presented, doesn't just post videos of himself playing his music on YouTube, you conclude with certainty that he doesn't create music anymore? Really? 

"Music isn't something you create and not want everyone to hear it."  Youtube is an option, rumble is an option, facebook is an option, and that's just three possibilities I came up with off the top of my head.  There are other options as well if Axl actually has something people whose pussy is filled with maggots want to hear.  And maybe other people want to hear it too.  People who create music want people to hear it.

15 hours ago, SoulMonster said:

Because Axl, who is famous for being very particularly about how his music is presented, doesn't just post videos of himself playing his music on YouTube, you conclude with certainty that he doesn't create music anymore? Really? 

Did you skip the first sentence of my post or just ignoring it because then you couldn't miss the point?

Music isn't something you create and not want everyone to hear it.  High school bands can come up with a song in a few hours, film themselves on their cellphone and post it on youtube.  That's how we know Axl hasn't created anything for a long time.

6 hours ago, SoulMonster said:

I only skimmed the rest of your post which was mostly based on what you want to believe and not supported by much facts. The quote above exemplifies this: "Sabotage" is quite possible a too strong word and implies ill-will on Slash's part which might not have been there, but he certainly wasn't "just trying to get something done and move on," unless you mean actually refer to record the Snakepit album and tour to support it. Again, as Slash himself has admitted, he stopped going to GN'R rehearsals. That does simply not align with someone doing all he could to move the band forward. He wasn't comfortable in GN'R at the time (for various reasons) and found happiness elsewhere, just like he did with Velvet Revolver and his solo record some years later. And there is nothing wrong with this. I am sympathetic to him feeling miserable while in GN'R, it can't be easy dealing with Axl (or his posse), but don't paint it as Slash was some valiant knight fighting to move GN'R forward. Like a husband in a miserable marriage he found himself a lover, and that mistress was Snakepit.. 

Skimming posts makes it easy to ignore anything you don't like.  You don't even point to what I "want to believe and not supported by much facts."

Slash absolutely was trying to do something.  He turned in a bunch of songs for the band to work on.  The guy who can form a new band named "Guns'n'Roses" refused to work on them.  Gilby and Matt worked on them and Duff was unavailable.  Slash also worked with other people in the mid-90s.

Then Slash was told to stop touring and go back to work on Axl's record.  Axl doesn't show up so there's no reason for Slash to show up either.  The abuser needs the victim more than the victim needs the abuser.

5 hours ago, SoulMonster said:

No, of course not. I think he was being entirely honest in the chat.

If we are to trust Axl, then Slash has lied or at least exaggerated Axl's desire to broaden out the music of GN'R after the 1990 touring when he (Axl) really wanted or agreed to make an album more in the vein of classical rock, but Slash sabotaged this; and when Slash had left GN'R, Axl wouldn't be able to make such a record because he didn't have the players for it any more, so that steered the music more in the direction of what would eventually be Chinese Democracy.

In my opinion, I think Axl was interested in keeping GN'R music fresh and exciting and not stagnating, but eventually agreed or decided to make a more traditional sounding record (either because of pushback from Slash or simply because he thought that the current lineup, with Slash, wouldn't be the right vehicle for that). That Slash then sabotaged this sounds crazy, but as I alluded to above, there is a possibility that Slash realized he would be better off by not helping to realize that record. In either case, Slash's focus was on Snakepit and as he admitted himself, he stopped coming to rehearsals. So the outcome was, regardless of whether this was Slash consciously trying to sabotage GN'R or just not being present and motivated, that things didn't move forward (also of course due to Axl's peculiarities). Then Slash left and Axl was more free to move GN'R in whatever musical direction he wanted, but also still limited by the musicians at hand. And those musicians came in with very different skills and interests, and also changed frequently. Looking at the Village leaks the music really is a schizophrenia of styles and genres, from very traditional sounding songs that could have fit on Appetite or UYI to much more experimental (both electronic but also avant garde guitar from Buckethead). 

Slash isn't a good speaker, he's trying to get along with others and the best way to dominate your subordinates is to keep changing things so they have no idea what is happening next.  Which Axl has a lot of experience at.

Slash's goal was to write and record a new album and everybody but Axl was fine with that.  Slash brings in a bunch of new tracks, Axl says "no."  He's in charge and everybody else has to obey him.  But if the goal of being in charge of others, they can't leave.  No point having a dog leash if you don't have a dog on it.

Because Axl is surrounded by people who tell him every day he uses time differently, he can delay Slash and try to tease him, that *maybe* he can do something with some parts of Slash's demos.  Meanwhile Slash already has the Snakepit album recorded and ready to release.  It's not classic G'n'R like "My World" and "Look At Your Game, Girl" but G'n'R owns it.

I can't find the quote or who actually said it, but at some point it was specified that yes, except for this one Snakepit album, whoever owns G'n'R owns every music Slash makes until he leaves the band.  We know who owns G'n'R.

A sensible person who has a Brian May solo would want other people to hear it as soon as possible, and keep the solo just the way Brian May did it.  Axl did neither because being in charge is more important, wasting Brian's time on a solo nobody will ever get to hear.  That's how every employee is treated and that's why there isn't any new G'n'R music.  Employees get paid whether they write new music for G'n'R or not.

A sensible person would realize that nobody wants to play with Paul Tobias so don't force him on everyone else.  But Axl's in charge, he owns the band and can hire anyone he wants.  So Paul stays, everybody else has to leave, and they do.

Other than the sycophants who surround Axl, who's going to claim that his new music in the 1990s is totally different from his new music in the 2000s which is totally different from his new music in the 2010s which is totally different from his new music in the 2020s?  No stagnation there and anyone who disagrees has a pussy full of maggots.

Slash wasn't sabotaging, he was just trying to get something done and move on.  The last 30 years show that Axl is not remotely capable of that and he doesn't have to because he's in charge.  Slash and Duff get paid more but they're still the sub, Axl is the dom.

'I don't have to do what you want and you need my permission to do what you want.'  That's not how partnership works.

I think that we'll go on to write some very interesting things with Richard and he's already done some rhythm work and some leads on the album, [...] but it's time to stop [adding new songs] now and wrap up the baby.." (Axl, GNROnline, 08/15/02)

"It feels right, the timing, and a lot of things. We've sorted it down to what songs are on the record. What the sequence of the songs is. The album cover art is ready. Blah, blah, blah. If you're waiting...don't. [...] Now that we feel that we have clarity as to the album we're trying to make, we're wrapping it up.'" (Axl, GNROnline, 08/15/02)

This is a collaborative effort with the players, but the players aren't exactly sure what it should be to try to win over the world Guns N' Roses style. So that's kind of my responsibility. It took a long time, but now it's working, and I think we'll have the right record, and when we do drop the record, the plan is to drop the record, have a bunch of extra tracks, about a year or so down the road drop another record and drop a third record. This is a three-stage thing and we'll be touring for a real long time." (Axl, WRIF, 11/21/02)

W. Axl Rose is concerned that not only will their audience be misled into believing that the planned compilation is an authorized release, but that it will hinder the release of the band's long awaited new studio album Chinese Democracy." (Sanctuary Group, press release, 03/15/04)

"Rather than dwelling on the negative, Guns will be moving forward and surprisingly (without giving away any details) this unfortunate set of circumstances may have given us the opportunity to take our recording that one extra step further. [...] We greatly appreciate Bucket's contributions and remain open to "discussions" as there are obviously several issues to resolve." (Axl, press release, 03/30/04)

2 minutes ago, gavgnr said:

It’s so fuckin sad reading this.

In an alternate timeline, we got 2000 intentions and another record or two after that.

This band fucked itself royally in the ass

At this point, I totally believe what they've said, that before some concert, Axl refused to go on stage unless Slash and Duff signed paperwork giving him complete ownership.  Doesn't matter if they could sue, they'd have to want to sue to make a difference, and they were just willing to walk away.

"He (Slash) has been 'OFFICIALLY and LEGALLY' outside of the Guns N' Roses Partnership since December 31, 1995." (Axl, 10/30/96)

If Slash and Duff have their co-ownership status back, they can release a new Guns'n'Roses song any time they want.  If Axl's the only one who can approve that, he's in charge and they're just employees.

"This will serve as notice [that] effective [...] Decemeber 30th 1995, I will withdraw from the partnership. [...] I intend to use the name 'Guns N' Roses' in connection with a new group which I will form." (Slash & Duff v. Axl lawsuit document, 2004)

The employees are told to lie about doing an album and this is just flipping through a few years worth of quotes.  There's a lot more of this for the last thirty years.

"[Guns] were supposed to do some stuff this month [February], but we haven't done anything up till now and in March I'm gone [on tour]. Maybe [there's still time] in February, if we can come to some sort of an agreement as to what we're gonna do." (Slash, Metal Edge Magazine, 04/95)

"When this tour ends, it's a six-month tour, in August, I'll go home and basically, we'll regroup, so to speak. And then, Guns will probably spend a little bit of time in the studio, and then we'll be on the road for a while." (Slash, 06/05/95)

"[Slash] also enthuses about the new material Guns N' Roses have been writing. Apperently, the band members are currently trading tapes amongst themselves [before the actual recording sessions]. "It's amazing stuff," he says." (Slash, Kerrang, 09/21/96)

"Guns N' Roses is back working together again, according to bassist Duff McKagan... "We've been in for two weeks as a full band with Slash and Axl (Rose) and me... Dizzy Reed is also back." (Duff, Addicted to Noise, 08/30/96)

"With Guns, there's no problems with material. The problem has always been getting us in the same room. So now that we're in there, it's rockin'." (Duff, Addicted to Noise, 08/30/96)

"The songs are really good, and I have a good vibe about it. I wouldn't want to go out and do a bad Guns N' Roses record." (Slash, Kerrang, 09/21/96)

"The record will be all up-tempo rock songs ("No ballads," McKagan said firmly) and it will be just 12 songs, with a release planned for next spring." (Duff, Addicted to Noise, 08/30/96)

"So far, Slash and McKagan say the band has worked up about 16 songs, and the bassist reports that: 'the material is really strong...This record is going to fuckin' rock. There's nothing like the chemistry of Guns when we're in the same room.'" (Total Guitar, 01/97)

"H.R.: Duff told us that the deadline is for Spring 97...
Matt: Absolutely! We want to tour next summer. [...] And now, we work together and an album will be released in 97." (Matt, 09/23/96)

February 26, 1993 is the halfway point of Axl's life up to now, closer to the day he was born than to today.  It's also the day the World Trade Center was bombed by Muslim terrorists.  Does everybody remember what a big deal that was?

And just so you know, in less than a year and a half, September 10, 2025, the release of Spaghetti Incident will be also closer to the day Axl was born.  And just look at what he's accomplished.

This is actually kinda fun.  We're still a couple years away, but now I'm curious how long it'll be until half of Axl's life has been after Kurt Cobain got tired of putting up with his wife.

Axl's birthday is also closer to December 27, 1899 than to today.

Axl could remove from the set-list any song that took him less than five years to write.  That would show how much he cares about the new material.  None of that garbage that was written in fifteen minutes or riding some van to the next gig.

For that matter, Duff and Slash can release a song with Duff on vocals and call it "Guns'n'Roses."  They're equal members of the band, right?  Just outvote Axl and he'll have to go along with the group.  Unless it's one of those bands where one person's vote counts more than everybody else's.

Axl is about controlling others and forbidding people to do something is control.  You can lock her in a closet for a day or two so she can't go anywhere.  You can say you'll shoot yourself if she doesn't marry you.  He did that with Erin.  You can become obsessed with the model who was hired to pretend to be Erin for a couple music videos.  He did that with Stephanie.  You can send girls to the hospital multiple times because they weren't totally obedient, as he did with Erin and Stephanie.  You can give your girlfriend a present for free and then sue her to get the present back after she's dumped you, which isn't how presents work.  He did that with Stephanie.

There has nothing to do with attraction or love, this is about control.  Axl decides what you can and can't do.  The girls had to go along with him, and this is just Erin and Stephanie, nothing to do with the huge band that ruled pop culture in the late 80s/early 90s.

Bill Bailey moves to Los Angles and joins the band Axl.  He changes his name to Axl.  Soon Axl joins Hollywood Rose and there's his new last name.  Hollywood Rose joins L.A. Guns and there's Guns'n'Roses.  Beating up women, showing up to concerts whenever he gets around to it, long monologues, he runs Guns'n'Roses and everybody around him is willing to go along with that, feeding his lust for control.  He takes complete legal ownership of the band, he can get rid of all the others any time he wants.

Owning the band is far more important than making actual music.  Geffen's paying for the studios, so nothing needs to be finished.  I'm pretty sure that all the employees are required to sign non-disclosure agreements so they can't talk about how pointless this job is, and they get paid well enough that they go along.  So the next couple decades, all they can say is 'the new album is almost done' or 'we'll start talking about a new album after the tour is over.'  Generic comments that contradict what previous employees said years ago.  At one point, Matt Sorum said they were halfway done with the new album.

But somehow Stephanie and Slash didn't permit Axl to do anything.  At least that's what Axl said on the rare occasions he actually had anything to do with the fans, the ones who made his mansions possible.  Other than cooks and plumbers and limo drivers, it's been a long time since he's had anything to do with people who actually have to work for a living, so he can be surrounded by sycophants.

Time passes the same for him as for everybody else, but he can delude himself and pretend he's special and everybody around him has to pretend they agree.  The documents they have to sign to be permitted in his presence mean they can't sue and they wouldn't be allowed near him if they were the kind of people who would sue in the first place.  None of the women he sent to the hospital, none of the previous employees, it's easier just to drop everything and run away than to fight back.

This is a guy who will publicly threaten to kick your ass in a way that millions of people will hear about when they buy the album.  Then, when the intended victim says 'ok, let's do it,' you just say 'oh I didn't really mean it, it was just metaphorical.'  Stephanie and Erin never got that sort of threat, Axl meant it for real and did exactly what he said he'd do.

By the same token, that's why I totally believe that at whatever concert it was, Axl refused to go on stage if the rest of the band didn't sign over complete ownership of G'n'R to him.  They just wanted to get on stage and stop pissing off the fans, and they're already not willing to fight back.  It's easier to leave than to sue.  And they left.

So he got to spend the next 15 years on an album that will explain everything to Stephanie's son, how did that work out?  It's part one of a trilogy, the second part will be released as soon as Geffen is done promoting Chinese Democracy.  The video to promote the album is ready to go, it just needs Metallica to sign a waiver, "soon is the word."  And no one around Axl ever tells him he's the one causing all the problems.  That would be too much like real life and Axl doesn't do that.  That's why he's in charge.

Whenever Axl dies, it'll have to finally be admitted that there basically isn't anything else.  There might be music by Bucketbrain or whoever but very little in the way of actual vocals and lyrics, much less songs.  Otherwise Slash and Duff could have cranked out music for that years ago.

59 minutes ago, jamillos said:

Now, I don’t believe even Axl is such a madman to record just the Village worth of material and then use another 14 studios (or even if it was fewer) just to tinker with the couple of songs that have vocals on it. That’s basically nonsense, which means there have to be *dozens* (ha) of other tracks, whether just those unfinished from the Village sessions or even different ones we’ve never heard of. Their quality or overall state of completion may be a different story, of course. 

As far as we know, Axl wasn't paying for the studios.  I think it was 2004 when Geffen announced that they wouldn't pay for recording any longer.  Why wouldn't Axl be willing to spend other people's money to tinker with a couple songs for years?  It doesn't cost him anything.  Nobody around him is going to say just finish it and move on.  It's So Easy.

All he's got is precious time.