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6 hours ago, ZoSoRose said:

100%
 

Getting that and Soul Monster cements it. I’d gladly take more (Zodiac, Oklahoma, and Tonto with vocals would be amazing… would be curious about Seven too), but it’s all gravy.

The General and Soul Monster were far and away the most wanted grails left. Getting those in October really helps close a chapter. Plus, we have Atlas, Checkmate, and a lot of the others at least instrumentally that we were after for years and years

i feel the opposite actually, getting "new music" made me want more and more. 

im still hoping we get monsters, atlas and state of grace released and id love a wichita lineman studio release. 

most of all i want to see what type of music would come out this formation, my dream would be a blues and country inspired album. 

On 3/14/2024 at 3:37 PM, Blackstar said:

I'd absolutely love a studio version of Wichita. But I'm afraid that the majority of people on here don't agree with us

I’d love that

17 minutes ago, El Guapo said:

So...it's better when EVERYTHING is shit?

You might have a point!

i'm afraid of the next release.

I think it kind of is. Obviously having all good would have been better but I think we would feel even more annoyed if the video was great. 

15 minutes ago, Stay.Of.Execution said:

you shouldnt be if the next release is monsters

What’s wrong with monsters now? 

I really don’t get the reaction of the forum. 
most of us hated the song before the video came out and now are shitting on it, what did we expect for the video to save the song? 
The general is the song I like the least among the new stuff, but I don’t hate it and although the video is cheap there are some cool elements like the members getting an avatar in the video which kind of gives me AFD cover vibe( please take this with a pinch of salt). 
 got a question, did we really won’t a very good video for a song they didn’t even bother mastering well? 
Immagine having a song with the sound quality of a demo, the saddest cover art for the digital release and a majestic music video. 

5 minutes ago, Skamos66 said:

Looks like GNR has deployed fake BOTS to say good things about it. Just like on big youtube videos, good god.

I don’t know, most of those who commented positively have the top member badge, if they were bot made to comment on this video they would have the badge. 
It’s probably just some fans that actually enjoy it. 

On 1/21/2024 at 10:04 PM, Gordon Comstock said:

 

Maybe you're reading my posts as more 'serious' than they are, idk. A cheap video for a throwaway song really isn't a big deal, but it's all we've got to discuss so that's what we're doing.

You think I'm imagining the sloppy details in AI animation? Take a closer look at the clip then.

There's some weirdo's on here who jump on any criticism as 'whining' or 'hating'. The clipping in The General should've been addressed before it was released, but those who point it out are 'bitching'. Sloppy AI shit from a band that absolutely could afford professional animators deserves criticism, but those who point it out are 'whining'. Give me a fucking break

I agree with you but I think you’re contradicting yourself a bit, on one hand you understand it’s a throw away song but you think they could invest in serious animation. Well if the song it’s a throw out it makes senso not to waste too much money on it.

I got a Chinese democracy II compilation with the four singles monsters, atlas, state of grace, oh my god and a good version of whichita lineman 

To me the general sounds like a song from Korn coming off issues or maybe take a look in the mirror, specially the verse and pre-chorus while the verse kind of sounds like muse, it reminds me of songs like micro cuts. 
 

Does anybody have the new corn shucker?

So, I got my copy finally and it’s the shitty with all the pixels. 
to be honest i still can’t wrap my mind around how a such a successful band does something so bad and silly. 

9 hours ago, evilfacelessturtle said:

A ballad is not a song structure. A song structure is something like "A-A-B-A-B-C-A-D". A ballad and a rocker can have the exact same musical form.

Merriam Webster's Dictionary:

"Genre: a category of artistic, musical, or literary composition characterized by a particular style, form, or content"

"Ballad: a slow, sentimental or romantic song."

That's a description of style and content.

Since when does genre denote the period of a composition? I'd love to see proof of that.

Gee, that sounds a lot like what the ballad category tells you; instrumentation.

So if a ballad has a fixed instrumentation, what is it? Because Estranged doesn't have a flute like November Rain. I guess that means by your logic only one can be a ballad. Do you see how your argument falls apart if you just think for a second?

Form is something completely different, as I explained above. I'm supposed to read your mind despite you using made up terms? That is not how language works, you don't just get to use the wrong words and expect other people to know what you're talking about.

I can't say "A ballad is a type of consternation" and then say "if you knew music theory, you would know what I meant". That's bullshit and you know it.

I didn't say it was a genre, but...

Dude 

musical form- music format as I explained earlier I’m not an English mother tongue, I studied composition in England seven years ago, came back to my country and hardly spoke about music in English ever since. 
Genre obviously gives information about period, a jazz song cannot predate the 20th century, wouldn’t you agree? 
Regarding the instrumentation I didn’t say it always does, I said it does sometimes. 
a string quartet is always four string players. 
a piano concert is always piano and orchestra. 
despite my poor ability to explain my self, my initial point was that ballads, rockers and acoustics are all common form of rock music. 
you call a song a rock ballad, and acoustic rock song. 
take any given rock band, they probably have rockers, ballads and acoustic songs in their repertoire. 
going from sleaze metal to industrial isn’t the same as going from welcome to the jungle to don’t cry. 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballad

again it’s not a difficult information to find. 
if you look for ballads it explains how despite not having a fixed structure it’s a musical form. I dont think you should have read my mind, I think that if you knew what you were talking about we wouldn’t have had this discussion to begin with. This is not a matter of opinion, this are definition and therefore matter of knowledge, you either know or you don’t. 
“While ballads have no prescribed structure and may vary in their number of lines and stanzas, many ballads employ quatrains with ABCB or ABAB rhyme schemes, the key being a rhymed second and fourth line. Contrary to a popular conception, it is rare if not unheard-of for a ballad to contain exactly 13 lines. Additionally, couplets rarely appear in ballads.
Many ballads were written and sold as single-sheet broadsides. The form was often used by poets and composers from the 18th century onwards to produce lyrical ballads. In the later 19th century, the term took on the meaning of a slow form of popular love song and is often used for any love song, particularly the sentimental ballad of pop or rock music, although the term is also associated with the concept of a stylized storytelling song or poem, particularly when used as a title for other media such as a film.”

8 minutes ago, jacdaniel said:

I don’t think being on tour or hiatus makes a difference to releasing music.
Perhaps and The General came right at the end of the tour anyways. 

There was almost no promotional benefit to releasing them when they did. 

So I think more could come even with Slash on the road. 

They did debut all of them live tho, I can’t remember if perhaps came out in platforms before the live debut. 

1 minute ago, DeNfr said:

just a guess, they know we already have Monsters and it's ready to go, so I'd say march/april is a reasonable guess for the next single, I suppose they'll release another one after that and then we'll see what's next for 2025...hopefully a new album

I wouldn’t be so optimistic, they will probably release it a months into the next tour I’m afraid. 
I hope I’m wrong. 

14 hours ago, evilfacelessturtle said:

 

Actually you're proving my point; where are the punk ballads? Be more specific; what is different between the "informations" a genre gives you versus this "format" thing I've never heard anyone talk about before you? Genre refers to style. A ballad is also just a different style.

What would you call it when Axl says "gimme some reggae" during Knockin on Heaven's Door? What would you call My World or Tastes Good, Don't It? Those are different genres. And It's So Easy can absolutely be called a punk song. Hell, they did an entire punk cover album. 

Furthermore, acoustic rock is its own genre. OIAM is acoustic rock and folk rock:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_in_a_Million_(Guns_N'_Roses_song)

If you like rock, that doesn't mean you like ballads and acoustic songs. As proven by the split up of GNR. Hello?

Yeah, that was my point... you've made up this distinction. I literally studied music theory in college. "Format" is not a thing. You've made it up. There is no such term in music theory.

If it's not subjective, where is your evidence? All I see are vague declarations.

Sorry, English isn’t my first language. I meant musical form. 
Musical form is about structure of the composition, you might think of a ballad but more classical examples are minuet or concert. 
Genre tells you more about the period and cultural aspect of a certain group of composition. 
Genre can give information such as instrumentation, rock is generally made by drums guitars and bass with vocal, but that isn’t fixed, while musical form sometimes is for example a string quartet is always 4 strings players performing a piece. 
this is very easy information to find, just look for music genre on wiki, the first thing it says is “genre isn’t to be confused with musical form”. 
I might ha used the wrong term, but if you had any idea of what you were talking about you would have easily understood my point. 
The fact that you don’t know things doesn’t mean people make them up. 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_genre

just out of curiosity, what band belongs to the ballad genre? 😂

2 minutes ago, DSTK said:

I understand that, but if you don't like it...don't fleet on for 222 pages about it,  it won't get any better on your ears 

100% with you, we're all entitled to voice an opinion, imagine if they release a shit mix of eye on you as the next track lol

Is not about being entitled, to me is just part of the conversation. 
what do we have forums for? 
its the whole porpoise of being here, negativity is a bit annoying but imagine from the prospective of somebody that finds it awful and embarrassing, they might find your positivity annoying. They might think its self deceit and delusion. 

Just now, DSTK said:

Same here...release day & headphones on ..i like it

Idiots, and they must be without pissing people off intentionally...nobody's got a gun to your head, you don't have to listen to it, unless you're as crackers as a reddit user then you'd create a poll..... ' I don't like it but should I listen to it , yes or no' 

I like it, I'll play it...if you don't, skip it 

I like it but if people don’t let them complaint, it’s part of the process too. 

5 hours ago, evilfacelessturtle said:

That's really not a meaningful distinction. For one thing, variety is variety. An album with all fast rockers and no ballad is lacking variety compared to one with a ballad, an acoustic song, etc.

But really, genres grow out of different song styles. Before doom metal existed, Black Sabbath just down tuned their guitars and played slow, heavy music. That was just a new format of rock/metal. But it eventually became a genre of its own. IMO, as every slight difference is being called its own genre, they're just becoming a way for people to limit their creativity. You see it most acutely in metal. There are so many genres and sub-genres that are so narrowly defined that every band within it sounds the same.

All of that is to say, it's subjective.

I'm not particularly a Metallica fan, but Kill Em All was definitely generic thrash metal. Apparently Burton had to teach the others basic music theory for Ride the Lightning, and the lack of it prior to that shows.

It is a meaningful distinction by any means. 
a format can be common across different genre, knowing a song is a ballad gives you certain informations about it, knowing a song is a punk song gives some completely different one. 
the comment I responded too suggested that guns n roses fans are used to variety of genre cause they are used to variety of formats which makes no sense. 
If you like rock you are used to rockers, ballads and acoustic songs, it doesn’t mean you like punk or nu-metal. 
you conflate format and genre all over in your comment and I’m sorry it’s not subjective. 

27 minutes ago, oneway23 said:

It's kind of weak for people to constantly use the "mullethead AfD crowd who just doesn't get it" deflection to defend these songs. 

There may actually be folks out there who simply don't enjoy 'em!

 

I like artists as wide-ranging as John Zorn, Mr. Bungle, Tears for Fears, Prince, Miles Davis, Willie Nelson, Cannibal Corpse, Kate Bush, and Leadbelly, and, I can listen to them one after another all day long.

Diversity isn't my primary issue with the newer, Post-CD stuff...It's that I find the songwriting mediocre.

CD was a mind-blowing album, imo....I adore it.  Most of my friends who liked Guns back in the day were mocking me for still liking them as far back as '94/'95!  No one I know could care any less, at this point.

I've held firm for decades....All the shows, the bootlegs, the forum threads, the line-up changes...Have never had a mullet, and have never wanted an AfD sequel.

There are some cool pieces and parts to the last few songs, imo, but cool parts does not a great song make!

These last few songs are, imo, a step below the best of CD.  I'm not crapping on the last few because I hate what GN'R has become; I crap on them because I don't personally find the endeavor and clear lack of ambition very interesting.  It's just not cool and mysterious anymore.

I know what this amazing group of musicians is capable of, if only they gave themselves a clean slate and started fresh.  It saddens me, because I want to hear what they sound like NOW, not what they sound like pro tools bolted onto some old, unfinished track with one verse and half a chorus that Axl couldn't be bothered working on beyond 2006.  How freaking lame and limp is that?

 

Oh if we are talking about the latest releases I agree, there are good reasons not to like them. 
 

3 minutes ago, jacdaniel said:

People just need to accept that lots of people just don’t like the songs from the CD era. It’s not because it’s not AFD or because Slash wasn’t on CD etc

Those are just excuses. 

People just don’t like the songs. Probably because there’s no real guitar riffs, hooks, classic solos etc

Even with Slash back and redoing the songs, I still think they’re just shit. 

Well so is not that you don’t like them because it’s not afd, you don’t like them cause they don’t sound like they did in afd.

There are solos in Chinese democracy, what do you even mean they’re not classic? 
That it’s not just pentatonics and bandings? 
there are riffs, not in every song and honestly it’s a blessing, not all the songs need a minute long guitar riff. 
There is nothing bad in saying “I don’t like them because it’s not what they did when I felt in love with them” I’m not even saying it’s your case, but it  in a lot of cases and it shows in the comments and the complaints honestly. 

15 minutes ago, colonizedmind said:

I also think people forget Slash gave that interview well after HS and Absurd and he may not of been including those as "two" when he was discussing what's yet to come in the future....people's minds work different.

Exactly, that’s why I think it’s safe to say that at least two more are coming, but I think 4 makes more sense. 
atlas and monsters are the two that sounds better and to me more complete, I don’t understand why they aren’t out already. 
state of grace isn’t as polished but we must assume the version we got isn’t the only one existing, we didn’t get the same version of perhaps we had and I don’t think it was recorded recently. 
I hope it’s atlas monsters first and state of grace and maybe after a while. 
If they tour again soon I bet they gonna do the same thing they did with the other singles. 

17 minutes ago, meadsoap said:

Exactly. The General is very far from the music of the AFD-Lies-UYI part of their catalogue. It's pretty out there, and among the 7 friends that I've played it for, the ones who liked it actually weren't the ones who the AFD-style GnR fans. It was my nu-metal/grunge peeps (and one friend who mostly listens to pop music, shockingly enough).

The General is a good song that's just kind of niche. A fan base that's different from the typical GnR people would have appreciated it much more. 

Exactly I used not to like Chinese democracy and than I got into korn and numetal and now I think cd is as good as their other stuff if not better in some aspects. 
the general has issues but I think it’s a good song and probably if he came out in the right period of time would have been appreciated even more. 
You wish axl went solo, I wish he stayed active with nu-gnr and that they really tried with the new direction. 

16 minutes ago, jacdaniel said:

There’s nothing wrong with a great Rock n roll band playing that kind of music. 

But I don’t think Guns fans ever minded variety. The original band managed to play rockers, ballads, acoustic, punk etc and most of it went down well. 
 

The problem these days is just that the songs are shit. 

They get even more shit the more they suffer from the Frankenstein approach that Axl is so fond of. 

Rockers, ballads and acoustics are formats of songs punk is a genre. I don’t mean to be an ass, what I’m saying is that a rock band that plays rockers, ballads and acoustics isn’t much of a variety. 
Afd had some punk influences but you can’t really count that as them playing punk really.

didnt gnr get backlash for uyi being somewhat more orchestral and complex in terms of instrumentation than the previous stuff? 
I mean Chinese democracy is honestly a great album and most of the fans still think it’s shit cause slash isn’t on it. 

20 minutes ago, Towelie said:

How many more drip-fed singles will they put out before they assemble a compilation and release it on vinyl? That's what I'm really waiting for. I haven't purchased any of the 7" singles, because I simply don't have the time or patience to sit and listen to one song each side. But if they were to put out an 8 track EP of the songs on 12", I would gobble that shit up.

I think it’s safe to say that at least two more are coming, slash talked about 4-6 and we got 4 so far. 
we know more exist so it could be another 4 which I honestly hope cause I love state of grace and also because a 8 track ep is almost like gnr lies 2

9 minutes ago, betterman said:

The general is much better in an album context and i still love to open an album with the General (with orchestral intro about 2 min) followed by Monsters and State of grace and then some more melodic tracks like Perhaps and Atlas Shrugged. 

It s the complete Side A of a Vinyl album release

If you think of it the four single we got, plus atlas, monsters and state of grace individually might not be the best stuff they’ve done, but as an album I wouldn’t skip any. 
I m making my own cd 2 compilation with those seven songs and oh my god and it’s a very pleasant listen to me.