Vincent Vega

Rolling Stones- Sticky Fingers

The Beatles- White Album

Aerosmith- Get Your Wings

What a bunch of two-faced fucks.

Like The Blues?

More like You Got No Right......

Personally, knowing Axl's talent for lyrics, I'd love to see him write just a simple, short ballad. I mean, imagine how amazing a song by Axl would be with the emotion of a Coma or Estranged but without any bombastic edges, kept within a simple four or five minute song. Something like Black Hole Sun, with simple cords, emotional lyrics and a beauty melody or like Down in a Hole by Alice in Chains. We all know he's capable of writing really amazing, emotional songs, but why they all have to be bombastic eight minute epics is beyond me. A song like Coma is good for it's length, it doesn't get boring and it doesn't lose it's flow or the ''action'', but a song like November Rain would've made a killer 4 or 5 minute, acoustic, raw song.

Allright, just want to vent a little frustration.

I've been a fan for a while, not as long as a lot of you, from about 2000 or 2001. I loved all the albums as soon as I heard them, my personal favorites are Lies and UYI II. I've tried (mostly unsuccessfully) to convert my friend to Guns N Roses fans, I've had heated debates with my Nirvana loving friends over GN'R. I went nuts when I saw Axl on the VMAS back in '02, even though that performance was a shit fest. I lost interest in 2003-2004, and stopped listening to GN'R during that time. I started getting back into GN'R in mid 2005, don't know why. I've seen the band two times, in MSG 02 and Hammerstein '06. I have all the records and the Tokyo DVD's, so I've spent a bit of my money on this band, like all of you here have.

As a fan, Merck's new statement pissed me off. I'm certain it's more than a rumor, I mean look at the wording! It's classic Merck (which, by the way, we ought to collect all of Merck's statements on GN'R and make a Greatest Hits, "The Greatest Missayings and Gunjumpings of Merck (and Pittman)." To be released this Christmas season for family enjoyment. As a special offer, we'll bundle this little sack of joy along with "Kaneda: More Flip Flopping Fun")

Merck is so verbally cute--he dances around the topic and slips around it, saying obvious things like "There are 13 Tuesdays Left in the Year." Well, thank you Mr. Merck, I had no clue how many Tuesdays were left before you told me. Kind of like Axl's "People Will Hear Music This Year" statement. They make purposefully vague comments so that they can't be called on their shit later. Or, if the album doesn't come out this year, they would say "Well, people did hear music this year didn't they?" and Merck: "Well, check your calenders, there were 13 Tuesdays left in the year, so I wasn't lying." The only problem was Axl promising the album would be released this year, not once, but multiple times.

I am seriously beginning to think that Axl and Merck get their jollies stringing us along. They build us up, just to break us down, and have done so for years now. And we fall for it every time. We buy the tickets, and get all hyped and pumped up and think "OMG it's really coming, fuck yeah!" I know the feeling, because that's the way I felt most of the year with regard to this album and band.

I told all my friends, and got them pumped. I spent over $160 on tickets thinking this was the real thing, the Big Comeback. And I would gladly spend a hundred more dollars to see Axl and the band again, if I knew an album was coming out. I was so fucking thrilled, from Axl's reappearence in February right up until the ''Better'' Ad was pulled . I still felt very optimistic, thinking it was a teaser of what was to come, but Merck's comment that it will come out "some time" doesn't sound very encouraging.

And what's this jazz, an announcement announcing an announcement. WHY NOT JUST GIVE US THE FUCKING ANNOUNCEMENT?! Announce the announcement that you're announcing will be announced "Soon" right now and stop making us wonder what this announced announcement will be about, fuckface! A lot of us have wondered for quite a while already....

Soon is such an overused word in the GN'R world. In the world of Monty Python, "Nii!" is a word that causes those who hear it to have pain, and in the world of a GN'R fan, soon is equivalent.

Merck Muckupgunsnroses isn't a manager; he's managed to bungle every chance at publicity (specificially good publicity) in his tenure as manager of this fucking 8 Ring Circus. When you look at other managers, like Peter Grant, and how they pushed and whored their bands to get the most success and recognition possible, it's kind of dissapointing when looked at in comparison to the great achievements of Mercky Boy, and the many wonderful things to further GN'R's career...Not!

The only thing he's done as manager is 1) Spread false hope and 2) Line his pockets with GN'R's wealth and 3) Let people down.

These last few months have been truly depressing to me as a GN'R fan, and if the album doesn't come out this year, I personally think it'd be a smart move for all of us just to move on. It's proven to be a cycle that just continues on over and over again, and we constantly get duped. Maybe when nobody comes to the shows, Axl will see just what the fuck he's doing. You'd think being able to sell only 3,000 tickets would show him something....

Let's face it, we're no further on the path then we were in 2001. In 2001, we got live shows, and we heard new songs, with an album supposed to be coming out in a few months (June if I remember correctly).

Sounds familiar.The details are a little clearer and a little bit prettier, the band looks and acts more like a unified band, Axl sounds better, better, and we get press releases a bit more often but other than that, this story is still on the same page as it was in 2001.

For five years, we've retraced the same steps, and it's looking worse and worse for the band in terms of creditability as time goes on. I mean, to the majority of the mainstream music world, Axl and the band is a running joke. Doesn't Axl give a shit at all? If he doesn't plan on delivering what everyone wants, why did he come out of Malibu? Is this tour sort of like his retirement fund? Or is it so he buy a John Lennon painting, or so he can pay for the new ferari or the next glass of expensive liquor?

What band pulls this? Sure, the Stones and Aerosmith came late to shows in the '70s, but at the same time, they consistently put out albums, most of them awesome. What band shrouds it's music and nature in secrecy? It's not the Da Vinci Code, it's Rock N' Roll...or in Axl's case, Rock N' Industrial Experimentation.

I mean seriously, have a little more respect for your fans...GN'R fans are one of the most dedicated groups of people out there. If it wasn't (partly) for us, Axl would be pumping gas tanks in Lafayette. and yet he repays our dedication by consistently shitting on us, and we, like fools, come back with our hands out for more. I seriously think that being a GN'R fan is similar to having Battered Wives' Syndrom (not dissing any abused women here)

Sorry for the long rant, just had to express some of my feelings that some of you may share.

When people say negative shit about Axl,

Many people here express sympathy for Axl, and bash those that bash him. But I, personally, feel sympathy for the band. Many of the members have been in this for the long haul, especially Robin, who's been a part of GN'R since 1996. Many of them have stuck by this band, in it's darkest hours. That shows dedication. For someone like Robin, I think it goes beyond the paycheck.

Imagine waiting ten years to put out a product, a product that will be partly yours, that will have your creative stamp and influence on it, only to face delay after delay. I'm sure the band would've been happy to get the album out years ago. For many of them, it'll be the first recording or creative experience that they've truly been a part of, and truly had a hand in creating.

It must be hard for them to go out, every night, playing someone else's songs that they didn't create and probably don't even like, when they know they could be playing a set of songs that they created. It must be so frustrating to not be able to play their own songs and knowing that if they refused to play the old songs, they'd be fired. The album is called Chinese Democracy; ironically, the band that created it is in a state of communism.

It also must be hard for them to call themselves members of a band when they're not allowed to act as such; they cannot talk about their work or their life in the band to any major sources. While they could create their identity and become (in the public's eyes) more than replacements, they are forced to stand in the shadow of their predecessors.

I think for at least some of the band, they've stuck by this project for the same reasons a lot of us have: An eventual pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. A lot of us here have stuck by Axl and the band with the hope that our wait will result in what could be one of the best Rock records ever produced; I think the band sticks by for the same reason; the prospects of an eventual payoff for their wait, both commercially, creatively and personally.

So before you bash the band, think of it this way, in a lot of ways, they're in the same boat as us, all being driven for nearly a decade by Captain Rose--but to what destination, and when? And the question at the end of this journey will be: Was it worth it? A question that I think will be asked, aloud and in our thoughts, by the band and ourselves when all is said and done.

what im saying is person one is a shitty runner cause they have no legs but they are trying,yet person 2 who is like carl lewis isint even trying

look, man:

it's just not time to announce a release date.

when was the last time you heard of someone recording/releasing a record in under 10 years?not many people know this, but axl and izzy recorded the entirety of appetite for destruction in 1973 in indiana. it just took 14 years for the artwork (and their pubes) to be ready. axl can't put this record out 'till finck has actual pubes.

WELCOME THE RECORD BUSINESS

And the Illusion records, most of the material on those albums isn't all that new.

Civil War- recorded and released in 1990

Don't Cry- 1986

Pretty Tied Up- 1989

Yesterdays- 1989

YCBM- Approx '87.

Bad Obsession- 1986 or '87.

Back off Bitch- '86,

November Rain-circa 1982

Knockin' on Heavens Door dates from '88

Mick Jagger is one of the greatest frontmen ever. While not the best singer, he does a good voice, a decent range and like Axl, has a variety of voices which he uses. See the song Emotional Rescue for referrence. In his songs, he gives personality and creates a persona with many of his songs, whether it's a New York Pimp (Miss You) or Lucifer himself (Sympathy for the Devil), he has so many roles that he plays in his music.

He is one of the most charismatic frontmen there is, and he connects with his audience. He also doesn't take the music or himself too seriously, which is something that I see as a fault in many musicians. He just flows with the music and the times.

He is also a great dancer. Axl may do his snakedance, but he'll never be the dancer that Mick is. Even at 63 years old, Mick and the Stones still rock audiences around the world. Here's to Sir Mick, may he keep rocking!!

As of this writing, it is currently November 25th. A mere five days left in the month. Fall itself is coming to a close soon, and still there is no album, much less any word of an album being released, and not even a single to sate our collective appetites. Supposedly, ''Better'' was to debut as a single around November 19th, but that day came and went, not with the sounds of millions of satisfied fans, but with silence, as usual.

Axl himself promised, "Fall." This release figure comes not from rumors or random bitches behind record store counters or friends of a friend of friend, but from the horse's mouth itself.

As I said, it is nearly December, and still Mr. Rose has not made good. It's also been eight years, and he still has not delivered. It is not as if he only said Fall once, but he repeatedly made this statement throughout the year, and his manager (if you can call him that) Mr. "2005 is the year of Guns N' Roses" backed up his boy's statement by stating that, and I quote, "There is 13 Tuesdays left in the year. It will be one of them." We're down to five, Mercky boy. Or did Axl get cut off and mean to say, "Fall, late fall 2007"?

I'm not a hater. I'm not a fanatic either. I've followed this project since 2000, not as long as some, but long enough to know what this is generally about. I was so fucking excited earlier this year, with the leaks, then in May with the commencement of the tour. I, like a lot of you, was listening to the Trunk broadcast and was extremly excited to hear Axl commenting on the album's release.

Then we heard many release date rumors, many centering around November 21st. Another date talked about was November 28th, which has yet to pass, though I think that the 28th will pass on by like the 21st did, with no album or single.

I'm sorry if I sound like a Kaneda, but Axl has let me and millions of others down through the years, with his failure to deliver an album that I know will be steller. He's let the story of GN'R sputter to an anti-climatic ending, and keeps scribling out and rewriting the first lines of this new chapter in the history of this great band, and it's a shame.

I mean, it's really not that hard to make an album. The Beatles, The Stones, Led Zeppelin, all of those motherfuckers made epic, amazing albums, and it didn't take them 13 years. And they didn't treat their albums with such secrecy. Axl treats this album, and this band as if it were some top-secret government conspiracy, Area 51 or some shit. I think he takes himself, his band and this album way too seriously.

And the beat goes on....

Hey

Do any of you like the song "Emotional Rescue" by the Stones from their 1980 album of the same name?

Hi

This may be controversial, but I think that the release of Chinese Democracy will be the most special and significant release of any Guns N' Roses album, and I think that the emotional impact and surprise (especially among the diehards) of the fact that it will have finally been released will overshadow the emotional impact of any of the songs. I mean, with Appetite, no one waited for that, Lies was just a mini-album. With the Illusions there was a wait, but 4 years is much different than 13. Over the past 13 years, the world (of GN'R and in general) has changed so much and there's been so many controversies and things that have happend that I think the day it is finally released will be one of the most emotional moments in GN'R's history, especially for those who have actually waited all this time. If it is a good album, in years to come, I think people will look back and smile at all the bitching and moaning and all the waiting. This release MEANS something to a lot of the people here, especially those who have waited and watched as times went from good to bad and to good again and hopefully, this album (and it's probable 'sequels') will be good enough to make the wait worth it. Even if you don't like the new GN'R, I think it'll still be a surprising moment for the doubters and 'haters'

I can't wait =)

What in hell happend to Mick Jagger's voice? It seems somewhere around 1982-1983ish his voice went really deep. I mean he went from sounding really cool to sounding like shit, and at times his voice sounds so deep as to almost sound like a black man (Listen to the Flashpoint 1991 live album.) What happend?

The same goes for Robert Plant, his voice is shot too, he lost much of his range and can't really hit the high notes anymore.

don't worry

...be happy

Constructive criticisim and complaining threads go (and can be moved) in the ANYTHING GOES Forum.

Speculating and repetitive threads go (and can be moved) to DUST N' BONES Forum.

Yeah, BUT....A lot of repetitive or complaining threads get posted in THIS part of the forum first, where they start a lot of shit and piss people off, and only then do they get moved. This new forum would create a more concise form, you wouldn't have to read through two pages of BS to find some actual information, and it would also cause more harmony, as people such as Kaneda would have their very own sub-forum in which they could wallow in their collective misery and would cease to be annoying to everybody else who is here for Guns N Roses.

Hi

I just thought of an idea for a new Subforum. It would be a sub-forum that was especially for people's worries, concerns or complaints. It could be called like, "Bitchin' and Moanin' " or something like that. It would eliminate a lot of the fighting and a lot of the bullshit from the other forums, and would still give members the right to freely express their opinions without pissing off everybody else.

What do people think of Beatles' songs such as Hey Jude, Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds, Dear Prudence, Julia and others? I think that the Beatles music has such a ''magic'' or beauty that cannot be truly replicated.....

I think we've entered into a new era for GN'R. Not in a very long time has there been this level of intimacy or communication between the band & the fans, from chats with Bumblefoot to the band's recent press releases. It is showing that they DO care. And that they DO listen. I'm sure that they have their people on places such as HTGTH and this site, watching and taking opinions. Don't even start on the album, it'll come when it'll come, it's not really a life or death manner to anyone here. Sure, it's been a long wait--but a wait that YOU imposed on yourselves. No one forced any of us to wait (which is why in my opinion there's no validity to MOST of the bitching that goes on here) we could've given up interest at any point--But we DID wait and wait still--and I think that is the mark of a true fan.

But, there are fans who act as if they know what is going on behind closed doors and there are also fans who would review shows without even going to them, and I think that when Del made his referrence to people who weren't fans, that is who he was talking about. People like Kaneda, who bitch on moan on a daily basis about every little aspect, who never seem to be satisfied.

People like Kaneda make up the Negative Extremist demographic of this (and other) forums, whereas there is a just as extremist faction which is almost always positive, no matter how grim the situation appears and supports the new band without questioning anything. Extremism, on both ends, is for the obsessed and mentally unstable.

People complained for years about the silence from the GN'R camp on many issues, and when somebody finally did talk, then people complained about what they said. See a pattern here? It's this group of people who expect things to be run EXACTLY to their vision of things. These people are the true dictators--never satisfied until things go exactly as they want it, and I think these people ruin it for everyone else.

That is not to say that I oppose criticism to the new band, on the contrary, I think that criticism is what has helped this band change some of the negative parts of it's performance and of itself to positive points...Now if only they'd scrap the damn solos...lol...But seriously, there is a need for a middle ground. Not overly passive yet not overly aggressive.

Hopefully we can find it, and if anyone here from GN'R reads this, keep up the good work & communication and please release the damn album =)

Hi

Before anyone responds, I mean this is in a comparative, hypothetical sort of way. I'm NOT trying to imply that the ''New'' GN'R will reach the popularity or impact of the Beatles. I'm talking from a musical standpoint. The old GN'R's sound has been described as mixing Punk with the Stones, Aerosmith and Queen. Listening to the Beatles music, and listening to the new GN'R album leaks, it sounds very Beatle-ish to me. And so does the lyrical content. Catcher in the Rye especially sounds like, with it's use of special effects and the mix of it, almost like a 21st century version of the Beatles. People have criticized the lyrics of songs such as ''Better'' for their simplicity and whatnot, but look at a song like Strawberry Fields Forever-- a song that is held as a classic by many...It's lyrics weren't precise, or all that sensible or connective.

Your Thoughts?

Ok, well what if they taped EARLIER? Not today, but perhaps last night after the show, in a specially arranged taping session. I mean, it is possible, it IS GN'R. It may not be 1990 anymore, but the GN'R name itself is still sort of a legend so I'm sure those kind of arrangements could've been made on the spot.

And if they did tape it earlier than the usual time, that would serve as the source of the rumors...

It reminds me of all the rumors swirling around right before the 02 VMA's...and then it happend.

Who knows with GN'R?

I'm surprised that they didn't follow mel gibsons lead and blame the jews.

There isn't any reason that they couldn't have gone ahead with the show without the pyros. The fans are coming to hear the music and they aren't going to be disappointed if there are no pyros.

Let's be real.

Yeah, the cancellation was shitty BUT, if they had played with no pyro, tomorrow you'd see a Kaneda thread or something basically bitching that there was no pyro and how much Axl sucks for not having any pyro.

Hey

A lot of people complain that Axl continuing on with the GN'R name was a bad move, and that the GN'R of today isn't really GN'R. Well, a question...If Paul McCartney and George Harrison left the Beatles in 1969, but Lennon and Ringo continued on as the Beatles, and let's say a few years later, released songs which would've been Lennon solo songs such as "Give Peace a Chance" or "Happy Xmas (War is Over)" could it have been legitimized as being the Beatles?

I think Axl made the wrong move in delaying the album for so long. If he had released an album in 1997 after Slash left, and some albums after that as well, I think many more people (and the media in general) would recognize it as being GN'R, especially if the albums were good and GN'R toured to support them and the new members gave interviews.

Your Thoughts?

Axl if you are reading this, I just want you to know that I am very proud of you. I think that everybody who accuses you of breaking the original band and the other awful things, are wrong. I understood why the band broke and I understand and give you the reason in make somethings different, those things different that worked a lot!!!!!

You are not alone, I am here for you. I saw you in the Puerto Rico concert and I think the concert was incredible and awesome. God bless you. I know and Puerto Rico knows it was full.

Since I knew GNR I fell in love with it and one of my dream was to go to a concert. Ten years after it became true. My next dream and goal is to know you.

You have all the reason in everything. You are brilliant and the most intelligent man I know.

AND THE ONE WHO WROTE A THEME TITLE AXL IS LIKE MICHAEL JACKSON.........

WELL I GOT TO SAY SOMETHING TO YOU

FU*******K YOU!!!!

Whoa, did that chick that stalked Axl finally get out of jail?

Axl, watch out! We may have just stumbled upon your Mark David Chapman!

Steel Wheels isn't that bad of an album.

It sounds like an overproduced, dead sounding album. The edge is taken off all the guitars, the bass is done in that cheesy 80's style, the drums have that deep, flat sound like Matt Sorum on the Illusions and the lyrics are below the Mick and Keith standard. Then you have Voodoo Lounge, Ok album (with the exception of Thru and Thru which is imo one of their best songs since the 70s) but..lacking that Stonesy charm. Bridges to Babylon, Not that bad pretty good, and then Bigger Bang which is amazing, like new life came into their veins.

There's something I was thinking about. I know some people would love if the original GN'R reunited but...I don't know if it'd be such a good idea. I don't think it'd last long, I think many of the old wounds would open very quickly, and I think it'd probably be unhealthy for all parties. Even if a GN'R reunion produced an album, it'd probably be a dead sounding mess like the Rolling Stones reunion album, Steel Wheels, was. That album sounds dead, in every sense of the word, and totally over-produced. Besides...What would Axl and Slash write about? Would they even be able to agree on anything?

I mean, not talking for like ten years, they're pretty much strangers at this point, at totally different points in their lives, the only thing they have in common at this point is their past, and there's a lot of wounds in that past.

the album will not be out this tuesday

Did Ron tell you this?