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    This Rio show was a complete DISASTER

    in 2011

    Posted

    After that i saw Metallica's concert in the same GIG,absolutely was much better from Axl's and co band,especially when they played ORION in the mind of Cliff.

    Like night and day, really. James voice isn't what it used to be either, but at least he sings in key (most of the time).

    R.I.P. Guns N' Roses...

    Why does he bother?

    in 2011

    Posted

    Outside of the hardcore fans, Axl Rose is a joke at this point. So is Guns N Roses.

    Many of the fans on this board are a lot younger and really didn't live through the big years. Guns N Roses were the biggest band in the world when they emerged in 1988. They took a crappy, tired music scene and flipped it on it's head and kicked ass. In 1991 the anticipation of the "Use Your Illusions" was bigger than any albums I can remember before or since. Tons of record stores had midnight openings and I was at one where there was a line around the corner and they sold out. I bought 4 copies of each of the Illusions for my friends. There is nothing even like that today.

    Fast forward to now. Axl looks like a fat, tired old man up there. He is out of breath. His lineup is a bunch of hired guns that the general public doesn't recognize who had nothing to do with most of the songs that are being played. Slash did the SCOM solo. Slash played the guitar on Estranged. The original lineup went through the lifestyle that is reflected in songs like "It's So Easy" and "Nighttrain." In the opinion of the general public Guns N Roses was Axl, Slash, Duff, Izzy and Adler/Sorum. Now it is Axl, some guy with a top hat who seems like he's trying to be like Slash and a group of other hired musicians. I don't think the general public thinks this version of GNR is legitimate. And I think they have a good point.

    Axl insisted he had to have the name of Guns N Roses. With that name he has produced 1 album of new material in 20 years. Let's put that in perspective. TWENTY YEARS-1 ALBUM OF NEW MATERIAL.

    His supposed "comeback" in 2002 on MTV was an out of breath Axl singing a medley of old songs with new musicians. All non-hardcore fans thought he looked and sounded terrible. Of course there was no follow up; no album to speak of yet again and a tour that was aborted due to the lead singer once again not showing up.

    When the album was released, 6 years after the tour, it only had one original member (Axl) and had a bicycle on the cover leaning against a wall that looked like somebody spent 10 minutes on it in Photoshop. There were no music videos and little promotion. Radio stations barely played any of the songs. There was no supporting tour at the time of the release.

    In the meantime, Axl hasn't exactly built a lot of goodwill with his fans. Anyone who has ever attended a show has experienced Axl going on at least 2 hours late. I had him simply not show when I went to see him in Philly and there was a riot. I also had a show cancelled in Albany with the original lineup because Axl was sick. Of the 4 shows I had tickets to, he cancelled one and no-showed another. The other two he was 3 hours late each.

    He does no interviews, gives no timelines on dates and is actually dishonest with fans. For example, he promised a video would be coming for "Better." It never came, and he never gave an explanation. I don't really care that much, but clearly his word is pretty meaningless.

    Axl is the first to criticize everyone around him. He's fired at least four managers. The entire original lineup is gone because they could not deal with him. His two biggest name replacements, Robin Finck and Buckethead, also left because they couldn't deal with Axl. He has literally held people's careers hostage while he is spending time either doing nothing or obsessively tinkering with musin

    However, it doesn't appear he is that cirtical of himself, as he doesn't appear to have a strong work ethic. He doesn't rehearse with his bandmates. He is out of shape. He forgets words. He shows up late.

    Do you think Axl would be tolerant of these qualities in someone else? Hell no he wouldn't. But he is allowed to do all of those things and God help you if you are critical of him.

    The whole thing seems like a sad, depressing waste of a great band. But it's pretty obvious to anyone who is reasonable that Axl Rose is the root cause of the current perception of Guns N Roses.

    I personally like the album, but can you see why fans don't take him seriously?

    This is the most honest thread I have read in a long time. The way you described it is way non-brainwashed, "normal" fans outside of this forum look at it. Thank you! rock3

    This Rio show was a complete DISASTER

    in 2011

    Posted

    Live stream audio does not make a good performance sound bad, stop reaching.

    Watch a fan made video from last night and you will hear the band sounds fine. The stream sucked big time.

    So the fan made stream doesn't have him off key,out of breath and basically half assing it?

    Better than this: in the fan made stream, Axl doesn't forget the words on November Rain and sings at the end of the song!!! How the fuck didn't the Rio cameras take that??

    I wasn't talking about forgetting words. I'm talking about over all sound.

    The singing doesn't get out of key because of bad quality. Unless it on a really old tape and not digital.

    This Rio show was a complete DISASTER

    in 2011

    Posted

    I don't think I have ever heard them sound that good...

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    Shouldn't you be off this forum considering we made a deal that if Guns showed up to Rio you would leave?

    Guns N' Roses didn't show up, Fake GNR did. Huge difference.

    :rofl-lol: poor hater .... you sound like you're eating mud :tongue2:

    :kiss: im sorry for you .... you look like lost, you'll find a place in the world soon ... i promise ..try to buy a life :rolleyes:

    the show was great ... I enjoy to tears ... especially for estranged :wub:

    Axl sounds and looks soooooo goood!!!!!!!!!!

    Sooooo goood? You must be tone deaf or just plain stupid. Axl's voice haven't been this bad YEARS!

    Guns N' Roses nominated for rock n' roll hall of fame

    in 2011

    Posted

    http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=163821

    I hope they get inducted! I think it's an honor.

    I used to not give a fuck about the 'legacy' of bands, but I kinda want Guns to be remembered as one of the greatest hard rock bands ever.

    Cool! Guns N' Roses desverves to get inducted, even though they don't exist anymore (Fake GNR has nothing to do with The Rock N' Roll Hall Of FAME, remember that).

    Fake in what way? I don't think that about new Guns at all. Great fucking band.

    Fake, like in if Ron or Pittman(?) gets inducted to TRRHOF it would not be deserved. Because Chinese Democracy has nothing to do with that nomination.

    Guns N' Roses nominated for rock n' roll hall of fame

    in 2011

    Posted

    http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=163821

    I hope they get inducted! I think it's an honor.

    I used to not give a fuck about the 'legacy' of bands, but I kinda want Guns to be remembered as one of the greatest hard rock bands ever.

    Cool! Guns N' Roses desverves to get inducted, even though they don't exist anymore (Fake GNR has nothing to do with The Rock N' Roll Hall Of FAME, remember that).

    Willing to bet.....

    in 2011

    Posted

    im willing to bet they cancel a handful of show due to lack of ticket sales.

    Of course they will. They've done it before, and they will do it again. Chinese Democracy Tour 5 (or 6 or whatever) doesn't seem so exiting as the first one.

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