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A band putting on high quality shows, bringing joy and excitement to thousands of fans every night- I'm amazed that that can be made into something horribly bleak.

Yup, it doesn't surprise me anymore, but it amazes me. Every time.

I think the bleakness is only in regard to new music it's pretty simple to understand really fans want new music.

It should be pretty simple to understand that touring is also a normal activity that bands do and even though us sitting on our computers might not be able to participate directly in those shows, many fans do and that's a pretty good situation for a band to be in. Why reduce a band's entire orbit of activity just to releasing the next album? It certainly has a lot of value but it isnt the only thing that has value.

And I'm damn glad that wenner's dog and pony show was derailed,refused,defused and questioned in such a public manner.

Except it wasn't derailed mate as it was quite a good show...Joe Bonamassa played a great version of "Going Down", the Ex-Gunners played well and it was great to see them on stage together again and I thought the RHCP sole the show at the end and I am not even a fan of their music....if that was derailed I will take it any day.......only one person looked foolish that night and he was not even there.......

Absolutley. I've been to the HOF, it's a cool place to see. I watch the inductions every year, as a music fan in general, it's always entertaining. This one however was extra special for me, as I got to watch my favorite band inducted and perform.

GN'R performed at the Hall of Fame? You mean Axl, Slash, Izzy, Duff, Steven, Matt, Dizzy? Three of 7 inducted members didn't perform as far as I'm aware....

guns n roses was there at HOF. slash, duff, steven, matt, and gilby. miles too. they stepped up for guns n roses fans in cleveland

No. GN'R did not perform at the RRHOF. A few past members did with Myles Kennedy. The two biggest song-writers did not appear.

They're not working on an album

Hmm, whom to believe, "Mondano09", mygnrforum member, or Richard Fortus, guitarist in Guns N' Roses?

They're working on an album? Since when? Most members seem to have no idea when/if another album is coming out, it doesn't sound like they're seriously working on anything with the goal to get it released in the near future.

DJ has been saying in many interviews that the next goal is to get an album out but people seem to hate his saying that. For some reason, many seem wedded to the worst case scenario no matter how many times members of the band keep saying things that directly contradict such forecasts.

A band putting on high quality shows, bringing joy and excitement to thousands of fans every night- I'm amazed that that can be made into something horribly bleak.

What's funny is that the blond keeps trying to swim and fly, all in the same motion. Its fun to watch.

If not going to the RRHOF makes one "unhinged" then there are many many people who would be candidates for the loony bin right now. And this hasnt been a new story, its a rumour floating around for quite some time but backed only by conflicting reports. Axl can happily take a picture with a girl with a huge Slash tattoo on her back with that girl also being shown on the GN'R screen during the show itself but he cant stand somebody wear a Slash shirt? Unconvincing.

Actually, Axl seems more grounded than ever before right now. He played the last show with some losers throwing coins at the stage and he just kept going and popped the air out of their balloon.

Contrary to Axl believing he received "overwhelming support" for his decision not to attend the HOF, the truth is he didn't. His rambling letter left some people scratching their heads, and even though it was never stated, and whether it's true or not, many people perceived his no show as a reflection on his feelings towards Slash. He's spoken cordially with Matt and Stevie in the past, has performed with Duff and Izzy, and of course Dizzy is still in the band. That leaves 1 guy. The same guy who just a few days prior to the induction stated Axl hates his guts. Now news is breaking on this t shirt story and it's gaining momentum. People don't need to follow the band closely or post on a forum to draw their own conclusions. Like I said earlier, the DJ's I heard on the radio this morning were not kind to Axl, basically implying in so many words that he's completely lost his mind. What you, I, or a couple of hundred people think on a fan forum is pretty much irrelevant. We're in the minority as a whole. It's the perception of the public that matters. They're the ones going to the shows and buying the merchandise.

I think it's great Axl kept his cool when fans started throwing things on stage. Obviously he can be professional and mature when he wants to be. Unfortunately stuff like that doesn't make it to the media.

And the chick with the tat had the entire AFD lineup, not just Slash. The very same band members that Axl has inked on his own arm.

Sure the girl that had Slash tattooed on her back had Axl there as well. But the claims have been that ALL Slash imagery including top hats are banned and if that were the case, there would be no reason for Axl to be hanging out with that girl or showing her up on screen. We're seeing more evidence from MBRose here that proves the tophat theory false or at least makes it questionable.

As for the perceptions of Axl, like I said before he cant bend over backwards to change those, many people's opinions will just remain entrenched despite this. I saw articles in the media supporting Axl's decision on the RRHOF too and although Slash's "he hates me" line attempted to reduce Axl's motivations to being just about him, not everyone in the media has followed suit.

People are going to call Axl crazy and talk about riots no matter how long its been since he was involved in one. It just strengthens what I said about myth being more easily spread than reality. He cant control these perceptions so the best he can do is live life on his own terms.

A LOT OF NEW SONGS!

last show from GNr in rotterdam

It's So Easy

Mr. Brownstone

Live and Let Die

(Paul McCartney & Wings cover)

Attitude

(Misfits cover)

Bad Obsession

Welcome to the Jungle

Patience

(Wild Horses (Intro))

Double Talkin' Jive

Civil War

November Rain

(with It's Alright (Intro))

You Could Be Mine

Drum Solo

(Matt Sorum)

Slash Guitar Solo

(Slash)

Speak Softly Love

(Andy Williams cover) (Godfather Theme)

Sweet Child O' Mine

Knockin' On Heaven's Door

(Bob Dylan cover) (with intro of Only Women Bleed)

Don't Cry

Paradise City

This post should be a reality check to those complaining about solos and Axl not "caring" enough.

lolwut?

Well its a reminder to those who complain that GN'R do too many solos now and that Axl is not on stage all the time, that solos and oxygen breaks have been staples of GNR shows for a long time.

I'm a die hard pro GNR fan and I went to 7 shows in the last 2 weeks and even I have to admit to myself after speaking to several security at different venues that this did come from GNR. Who in GNR I do not know.

Some venues enforced it more than others. Security were really concerned at Liverpool and Nottingham shows.

I also find it strange that at Manchester GNR's head security (bald meaty looking guy called Dave) was telling people no camera's with lenses and no filming, yet he didn't bother at the other shows?

LIES!

Who is GNR is the question certainly. Problem is, to the general public who are hearing these stories, Axl IS GNR. Actually, some people on this forum think that too. Hopefully this practice doesn't continue. Between the HOF no show and now this, Axl is starting to look unhinged. He should just focus on the models, and let the fans wear what they want.

If not going to the RRHOF makes one "unhinged" then there are many many people who would be candidates for the loony bin right now. And this hasnt been a new story, its a rumour floating around for quite some time but backed only by conflicting reports. Axl can happily take a picture with a girl with a huge Slash tattoo on her back with that girl also being shown on the GN'R screen during the show itself but he cant stand somebody wear a Slash shirt? Unconvincing.

Actually, Axl seems more grounded than ever before right now. He played the last show with some losers throwing coins at the stage and he just kept going and popped the air out of their balloon.

Remember on the Rockumentary when Duff said says if UYI doesn't sell well they will just say screw you to the record company? That is the type of attitude that is missing in today's GNR. If Axl let a record company dictate to him how he sounds than shame on Axl Rose.

If it was a simple case of Axl letting the record company dictate to him, the album would have come out muchhhhhh earlier.

and it would have had songs with some small degree of commercial potential. and the old band, obviously. but axl stuck to his guns and refused to prostitute himself for fortune and shame. in so doing, he proudly proved it was possible to win every battle and still lose the war.

Maybe he didnt want to win the war at such high costs. You can be on top of the world and not be happy like Kurt Cobain for instance. And you could be happy when others dont think your efforts are worth it or that you're a success.

Axl has always seemed to be the guy whose inner measure of things is what really matters at the end of the day.

Of course he replaced Robin, I think that we all know that. The problem is that Fortus should have been bumped up to Robin replacement because any way that you look at it, he is far better than DJ.

Well then it shouldnt be a strange thing that DJ plays Finck's parts, that's how a replacement works. Fortus already has a role within GN'R and he doesnt just play rhythm either- he plays solos too.

I never said it was strange. I said it was a bad choice.

I'm not quite sure where you read anything implying anything other than that.

Edit: Richard's solos are nowhere near as prominent and I'm quite sure that he could handle SCOM without having to pass it off to Ron.

Richard gets to play a really important solo in November Rain. The guys decide among themselves who play what, so if any of them thinks the distribution is unfair they could just speak up and address it.

Just because you think its a bad choice doesnt change the fact that Axl certainly seems to have a solid relationship with DJ and sees potential in him. For the greater good of GN'R, I think those are valuable assets. So it would make sense to showcase DJ in the shows too just like the other guitarists are being showcased.

I never once claimed that my opinion that it is a terrible choice has any effect on how Axl feels. I don't even understand how you came to that conclusion when it's the band's decision on who plays what. Richard gets a great solo on KOHD too, and he doesn't fuck it up. Unlike DJ on pretty much anything he touches. I wonder which other songs wouldn't be fucked up if DJ was restricted to rythm like I think that he should be.

Wake me up if any Guns material that DJ actually plays on ever gets released. Debating something that doesn't exist is futile. Until then, I will continue to base my opinion of him on the terrible job he's doing at handling other people's solos.

I said absolutely nothing that suggests that your feelings on DJ have any effect of Axl's feelings. I'm simply stating what I think it is an important factor here- whatever your idea of DJ's merits or lack thereof, the fact that Axl has a good relationship with DJ is a good thing for GN'R. In other words, my meaning is that there are factors to consider beyond your or any fan's judgment of whether or not DJ should get Robin's parts or not.

It was Bbf who said that the guys talk it out who takes what part and its an ego free process. You can keep saying that DJ butchers everything but plenty of people like his playing. I, for one, enjoy his TIL solo.

If your only consideration is that DJ hasnt been featured on GN'R studio material so far then Richard Fortus wouldnt do too well by that measure either.

My only consideration is based on what I hear, and I hear way more talent coming from Richard than DJ. I'm actually hoping that DJ does something decent if, by some small chance, a record with him on it ever gets released. I would love to change my opinion of him.

Lots of people may very well like what he's doing now, that doesn't change the fact that many people don't also.

Certainly, its just a subjective judgment and he cant be disallowed from playing solos based on that. The other guys also have some admirers and some who dont like them (see post above about Ron) and that doesnt take away their right to play solos. Same goes for DJ.

A LOT OF NEW SONGS!

last show from GNr in rotterdam

It's So Easy

Mr. Brownstone

Live and Let Die

(Paul McCartney & Wings cover)

Attitude

(Misfits cover)

Bad Obsession

Welcome to the Jungle

Patience

(Wild Horses (Intro))

Double Talkin' Jive

Civil War

November Rain

(with It's Alright (Intro))

You Could Be Mine

Drum Solo

(Matt Sorum)

Slash Guitar Solo

(Slash)

Speak Softly Love

(Andy Williams cover) (Godfather Theme)

Sweet Child O' Mine

Knockin' On Heaven's Door

(Bob Dylan cover) (with intro of Only Women Bleed)

Don't Cry

Paradise City

This post should be a reality check to those complaining about solos and Axl not "caring" enough.

Remember on the Rockumentary when Duff said says if UYI doesn't sell well they will just say screw you to the record company? That is the type of attitude that is missing in today's GNR. If Axl let a record company dictate to him how he sounds than shame on Axl Rose.

If it was a simple case of Axl letting the record company dictate to him, the album would have come out muchhhhhh earlier.

Of course he replaced Robin, I think that we all know that. The problem is that Fortus should have been bumped up to Robin replacement because any way that you look at it, he is far better than DJ.

Well then it shouldnt be a strange thing that DJ plays Finck's parts, that's how a replacement works. Fortus already has a role within GN'R and he doesnt just play rhythm either- he plays solos too.

I never said it was strange. I said it was a bad choice.

I'm not quite sure where you read anything implying anything other than that.

Edit: Richard's solos are nowhere near as prominent and I'm quite sure that he could handle SCOM without having to pass it off to Ron.

Richard gets to play a really important solo in November Rain. The guys decide among themselves who play what, so if any of them thinks the distribution is unfair they could just speak up and address it.

Just because you think its a bad choice doesnt change the fact that Axl certainly seems to have a solid relationship with DJ and sees potential in him. For the greater good of GN'R, I think those are valuable assets. So it would make sense to showcase DJ in the shows too just like the other guitarists are being showcased.

I never once claimed that my opinion that it is a terrible choice has any effect on how Axl feels. I don't even understand how you came to that conclusion when it's the band's decision on who plays what. Richard gets a great solo on KOHD too, and he doesn't fuck it up. Unlike DJ on pretty much anything he touches. I wonder which other songs wouldn't be fucked up if DJ was restricted to rythm like I think that he should be.

Wake me up if any Guns material that DJ actually plays on ever gets released. Debating something that doesn't exist is futile. Until then, I will continue to base my opinion of him on the terrible job he's doing at handling other people's solos.

I said absolutely nothing that suggests that your feelings on DJ have any effect of Axl's feelings. I'm simply stating what I think it is an important factor here- whatever your idea of DJ's merits or lack thereof, the fact that Axl has a good relationship with DJ is a good thing for GN'R. In other words, my meaning is that there are factors to consider beyond your or any fan's judgment of whether or not DJ should get Robin's parts or not.

It was Bbf who said that the guys talk it out who takes what part and its an ego free process. You can keep saying that DJ butchers everything but plenty of people like his playing. I, for one, enjoy his TIL solo.

If your only consideration is that DJ hasnt been featured on GN'R studio material so far then Richard Fortus wouldnt do too well by that measure either.

Do you think it was our false sense of entitlement that is partly responsible for CD's release in the first place?

The Chinese Whispers compilation quoted people involved in the making of the album saying that the overwhelming sense of pressure from people's expectations actually weighed Axl down and impeded him from advancing.

Not the most successful strategy, if upping the entitlement is what you have in mind.

Of course he replaced Robin, I think that we all know that. The problem is that Fortus should have been bumped up to Robin replacement because any way that you look at it, he is far better than DJ.

Well then it shouldnt be a strange thing that DJ plays Finck's parts, that's how a replacement works. Fortus already has a role within GN'R and he doesnt just play rhythm either- he plays solos too.

I never said it was strange. I said it was a bad choice.

I'm not quite sure where you read anything implying anything other than that.

Edit: Richard's solos are nowhere near as prominent and I'm quite sure that he could handle SCOM without having to pass it off to Ron.

Richard gets to play a really important solo in November Rain. The guys decide among themselves who play what, so if any of them thinks the distribution is unfair they could just speak up and address it.

Just because you think its a bad choice doesnt change the fact that Axl certainly seems to have a solid relationship with DJ and sees potential in him. For the greater good of GN'R, I think those are valuable assets. So it would make sense to showcase DJ in the shows too just like the other guitarists are being showcased.

Yo can agree with, or dispute, any post you wish. The one thing you can't do is prove the order didn't come from the band.

Well, that goes both ways; doesn't it?

Why? It's been stated by both forum members and the venues, and the band hasn't bothered to squash any of these stories. I haven't seen proof it's not true, so there's no reason not to believe it.

As others have mentioned before, its been stated by several fans that they did not see any trace of such a policy at shows they attended. Also Powerage's points about a venue being overly strict about camera use when Fernando said the band was okay with it, haven't been addressed by anyone.

The band is in a no-win situation. If they release a statement saying we are not demanding any such shirt ban, many would say this is just a cover-up, Axl is sooo evilll etc and keep bashing away. If they dont say anything, the rumour keeps getting played out forever.

Didnt Axl talk about the shirt issue in an interview or on-stage somewhere? I recall reading that he said that the rumour started with his asking for a shirt at Rock in Rio 2001. He did try to dispel it but if GN'R release more statements, it simply affirms to internet rumour-mongers how easy it is to drag the band down by continuing to come up with new myths and regardless of how much evidence there is to disprove such myths, how easily they spread and how much power they have.

Of course he replaced Robin, I think that we all know that. The problem is that Fortus should have been bumped up to Robin replacement because any way that you look at it, he is far better than DJ.

Well then it shouldnt be a strange thing that DJ plays Finck's parts, that's how a replacement works. Fortus already has a role within GN'R and he doesnt just play rhythm either- he plays solos too.

"Groups"? Are there two gangs now? Opposing political parties or something? Geez...

No, there's just one big happy family. Geez - get real!

Oh I'm pretty much aware of how things are and they certainly aren't a big fucking family. I'm the last person you need to tell to "get real". What I'm mostly opposing is the implication of the notion that Izzy is somehow "taking sides".

Well Groghan certainly thinks there are two "groups" in question here so for responding to him, I used his own vocabulary.

If you're having a problem with the spin, why dont you direct your concerns to Groghan as its his spin that has you rolling eyes?

It was directed at both of you.

It didnt have to be directed at me at all because I was simply going by Groghan's logic in responding to him, not endorsing it. As long as he keeps trying to divide the GN'R legacy into good guys vs bad guys, there will be a problem that needs to be addressed.

speaking of solos, i think it's time dj let's robin do the TIL solo live. not just for a one off like recent better oneoff. but for multiple guns n roses live shows

So Robin will magically fly in on a broom for the TIL solo, then fly away again? That seems like a wonderfully workable plan.

it all depends on axl if robin doing his TIL solo live for the first time is more than a magical one off. hopefully axl let's robin do TIL live many times. dj has his own spin on robin's solo. but it is robin's solo. robin created it. and put in the work recording it. robin pulls off a perfect solo. an EPIC solo. not since the slash solos on the illusions have there been better solos in rock from a rock guitarist called robin finck on rock ballads like TIL

You do know right that Finck left the band and therefore had to be replaced? If he was to travel around the world with them just for one solo, why wouldn't he just re-join the band and play all his other parts too?

speaking of solos, i think it's time dj let's robin do the TIL solo live. not just for a one off like recent better oneoff. but for multiple guns n roses live shows

So Robin will magically fly in on a broom for the TIL solo, then fly away again? That seems like a wonderfully workable plan.

That's not convincing at all. If it was a simple case of some security guards being more zealous than others, then we would have different levels of enforcement at the same venue: some guards hassling people, others letting them go. Instead what we have is some venues making an announcement about this or trying to enforce this and others not making the slightest move to so much as mention this policy at all.

I'll tell you a true story.

I was at the Hammerstein in NYC when GNR performed for the first time in 2006. The way security frisked me, was like nothing I had experienced before. I almost felt violated. The guy should have bought me a drink afterwards. I've been back to the Hammerstein seval times for different events since then. They'll peek inside my bag, give me a nod and a smile, and I'm in. Same place, different level of security. So I'd say that argument is actually very convincing.

Lol!

That example actually seems to support my point. It shows that there was a strong level of sensitivity from the same venues because it was a GN'R show and they relaxed when it was other bands playing.

If there was a GN'R policy of no Slash shirts, then how could some venues be so relaxed as to not make the slightest effort to impose such a policy? Your own story shows that the tendency is for the venues to go very strong, not lax.

No it doesn't. What it supports is that fact that venues are given specific rules by specific bands on how to handle security. What makes you bekieve that venues arbitrarily make up their own rules? Hundreds of artists pass thru their doors every year. Why on earth would they give a flying rats ass over what people wear? Half the time these security guys don't even know who's playing. They're not there because their fans dude, they're only there because it's their job.. I've talked to these guys while waiting for shows to start, must of them are clueless as to who is playing and couldn't name one single member. The venue itself has absolutley no reason to garner any bad press because THEY didn't allow something. That strong level of sensitivity you mention is created by management, not security. To them it's just another show out of the humdred or more they do a year.

Like Powerage's example of VH allowing still photos, that was a band decision, not a venue one. If the band doesn't want cameras in the venue, security must abide by that. When i went to the Hammerstein for Guns, they were threatening to confiscate cameras. When I've gone other times I heard no such rule. Which completely supports my position that certain asinine rules, such as what kind of shirts people can wear, does not come from the venue.

The whole rigmarole about security not being able to name band-members is entirely irrelevant and nothing you've said answers Powerage's points or mine. The claim is that the band has communicated to the venues that they must not allow Slash paraphrenalia. You told a story about venues being HARSHER for GN'R shows than for other bands.

So my question is simple: If venues are so zealous to leave no stone un-turned to follow GN'R probitions BECAUSE the band is so sensitive, why are so many venues NOT making any attempt to enforce the Slash policy? According to fans posting on this site, they've seen MORE shows where there is no sign of any such policy than places where its being applied.

The venues have no reason to garner bad press but most importantly they have every reason to try to avoid unpleasantness leading to disruptions and possible riots. The bad press is for the band, not the venues. It doesnt take deep research to be aware of the rumour that Slash shirts are hated by Axl, its everywhere and would be very hard for venues to have never come across it.

Powerage's post clearly contradicts your claim. He has said that the band did NOT mind photos being taken as Fernando said this directly but the venue security kept trying to prevent it anyway.

Dj is cool. Get over it. Sick of all the Dj bashing. If you don't like him, don't buy his clothes or listen to his music. Anytime someone says Dj on this site, the same morons hijack the thread. Every time. I wonder why people that don't like this band obsess over everything that they do and say that everything sucks. Kinda pointless to be here. I'm sure this post is just what they want. I remember when this site used to be about logical arguments and good discussions. Which is why I liked it here better than htgth. Now it just seems like every single thread turns into and "old" vs "new" thread. Gets pretty boring sometimes.

You have my attention.

Just because I realize that it's a farce to put DJ in front of way more talented musicians, means that I'm not a fan of the band?

I think that you're the one that should be questioned about being a fan. You're the one that is encouraging mediocrity. Axl should know that the talent that he has shouldn't be hidden by a Hot Topic reject.

DJ is put "in front of" more talented musicians? What does that mean?

Unless he was dancing in front of BBF or Richard Fortus during their solos thus blocking them from view (ala Conor's hand blocking SLAA), I dont see how that statement makes sense. All the other guys get to show their talents and DJ gets to show his. Where's the problem?

What's the first thing that you see when a show opens? Yup, it's an emo assclown.

The.problem is that he shouldn't be screwing up any of the solos when he has 2 people right next to him that can actually handle them. Put him on rythm where he belongs and there wouldn't be a problem.

Huh? Robin Finck would have been playing the opening to CD if he was around. Since he opted to leave, DJ, as Finck's replacement naturally plays that part. How is that supposed to be some horrible thing?

The fact that you dont like his solos doesnt mean that he shouldn't play them. Bumblefoot and Richard Fortus get to play solos too. So does DJ.

That's the main problem. Fortus & Bumblefoot >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My Grandmother > Ashba.

Ashba is mediocre at best so he should be a full-time rhythm guitarist. The way he fucks up solos is unacceptable but hey, that's my opinion and I'm free to say whatever I want.

When your grandmother becomes a recording artist then perhaps this line of argument would have some relevance.

You can argue that BBF and Fortus are better than DJ but you cant take away his right to play solos when the other guys also play them. It doesnt matter what you may or may not find acceptable, the band gets to decide who plays what and they divide the parts among themselves.

That's not convincing at all. If it was a simple case of some security guards being more zealous than others, then we would have different levels of enforcement at the same venue: some guards hassling people, others letting them go. Instead what we have is some venues making an announcement about this or trying to enforce this and others not making the slightest move to so much as mention this policy at all.

I'll tell you a true story.

I was at the Hammerstein in NYC when GNR performed for the first time in 2006. The way security frisked me, was like nothing I had experienced before. I almost felt violated. The guy should have bought me a drink afterwards. I've been back to the Hammerstein seval times for different events since then. They'll peek inside my bag, give me a nod and a smile, and I'm in. Same place, different level of security. So I'd say that argument is actually very convincing.

Lol!

That example actually seems to support my point. It shows that there was a strong level of sensitivity from the same venues because it was a GN'R show and they relaxed when it was other bands playing.

If there was a GN'R policy of no Slash shirts, then how could some venues be so relaxed as to not make the slightest effort to impose such a policy? Your own story shows that the tendency is for the venues to go very strong, not lax.

Again, the fact that this is not being done uniformly supports that it is NOT a GN'R order.

And the fact thet they're saying it comes from band management does.

Not really. Firstly, plenty of venues are not saying this at all. Secondly, like Powerage showed, even when the band allows certain things like taking photographs, some venues have been frowning upon them. If band management wants something done, it would be done everywhere.

Dj is cool. Get over it. Sick of all the Dj bashing. If you don't like him, don't buy his clothes or listen to his music. Anytime someone says Dj on this site, the same morons hijack the thread. Every time. I wonder why people that don't like this band obsess over everything that they do and say that everything sucks. Kinda pointless to be here. I'm sure this post is just what they want. I remember when this site used to be about logical arguments and good discussions. Which is why I liked it here better than htgth. Now it just seems like every single thread turns into and "old" vs "new" thread. Gets pretty boring sometimes.

You have my attention.

Just because I realize that it's a farce to put DJ in front of way more talented musicians, means that I'm not a fan of the band?

I think that you're the one that should be questioned about being a fan. You're the one that is encouraging mediocrity. Axl should know that the talent that he has shouldn't be hidden by a Hot Topic reject.

DJ is put "in front of" more talented musicians? What does that mean?

Unless he was dancing in front of BBF or Richard Fortus during their solos thus blocking them from view (ala Conor's hand blocking SLAA), I dont see how that statement makes sense. All the other guys get to show their talents and DJ gets to show his. Where's the problem?

What's the first thing that you see when a show opens? Yup, it's an emo assclown.

The.problem is that he shouldn't be screwing up any of the solos when he has 2 people right next to him that can actually handle them. Put him on rythm where he belongs and there wouldn't be a problem.

Huh? Robin Finck would have been playing the opening to CD if he was around. Since he opted to leave, DJ, as Finck's replacement naturally plays that part. How is that supposed to be some horrible thing?

The fact that you dont like his solos doesnt mean that he shouldn't play them. Bumblefoot and Richard Fortus get to play solos too. So does DJ.

Of course the t-shirt ban is coming from "the GNR camp", how can anyone think something else? It doesn't necessary come from Axl or the band themselves, but it's obviously there. The security managers aren't idiots like us that sit on a message board to talk about GNR every day. They wouldn't enforce such stupid rules without any reason. They've obviously had the orders from somewhere.

This.

To suggest random venues are making this up is ridiculous.

Then why have fans on this very forum reported that they've attended shows in which they've seen no such restrictions and have even seen people wearing top hats or shirts featuring Slash inside the venues?

Because not all security guards take the orders about that no Slash shirts is allowed as serious as others. The security managers of the venues wouldn't have any interest in the Slash/Axl feud. Why the hell would they just randomly take such stupid rules if nobody asked them to?

Edit: I also wouldn't be surprised if it isn't asked to every venue. That it's just one person that orders this and that this person doesn't always have the possibility to give this order.

That's not convincing at all. If it was a simple case of some security guards being more zealous than others, then we would have different levels of enforcement at the same venue: some guards hassling people, others letting them go. Instead what we have is some venues making an announcement about this or trying to enforce this and others not making the slightest move to so much as mention this policy at all.

Nobody has said that its a case of venues being "outta get" Axl. But because there is such a rumour out there with full force and because of Axl's known history of being temperamental, venues can get overly cautious to try to prevent some altercation during the show leading to a disruption or even a riot. The fact that Axl hasnt been involved in riots for along time hasn't really sunk in with a lot of people as they always seem to expect the worst.

If it was a GN'R order, why wouldnt it be ordered at every venue? Why wouldn't the person who supposedly orders this not have the "possibility" to do this every time? It would be as simple as sending one FAX/email to every venue at the click of a button.

Again, the fact that this is not being done uniformly supports that it is NOT a GN'R order.