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"The "GNR" of today is one of the longest running jokes in the music business, really the Axl solo band masquerading as GNR, a wobbly monument to Axl's ego, and a smoke and mirrors routine that grows less and less convincing with every gig."

truer words were never spoken

i totaly agree ,i really dont care for axl,s ego band ,use your illusions were great albums but from then on me and 90% of the fan base just dont care anymore and are sadened by what gnr has become

I actually liked the Spaghetti Incident a lot.

I just listened to all the records 2 times through each this last week in the car while I was reading Slash's book. Well, I wasn't reading his book while I was driving......Anyway, I don't get the "overproduced" thing on the Illusions. I think it just sounds cleaner and more polished than Appetite. The two things I think stand out are the drums, both the tone and "perfection," and there is a lot less interweving of Izzy and Slash in the rhtyhm area. It just sounds like they are playing the same thing. Not a criticism, just a difference. Those two things do make it different, for sure.

People talk about what if the Illusions sounded like Appetite.....well, then they would have never grown or done anything different, it just would have been the same record again. I don't see how they were failures in any sense of the word. They have sold 30 million copies together, which is more than Appetite. They are still played on the radio. Where is the failure?

for me spaghetti was the biggest mistake of the old guns, but i respect your point of view.

see ya.

I'd be happy to hear Estranged by the current lineup.

me too.

In an interview with Music Radar, Slash commented on disagreements with Axl Rose during the recording of Use Your Illusion albums. "Honestly, I preferred to record only one album, with ten songs more straightforward. But it was an opportunity to move the band again. "

The guitarist was going through serious problems with drugs, especially heroin. "I wrote 'Coma' in a frenzy. It is a track that still have pride. There is little technical, but it is the typical approach of my style. "

Despite the problems and disagreements, Slash notes that the band could still pay off when leaving everything aside and focused only on music. "It was a natural chemistry, so they got rid of distractions."

But the musicians had to yield to the wishes of the megalomaniacs vocalist on several occasions, which definitely bothered a member in particular. "The songs earned grandiose proportions, the grandeur of the arrangements and production began to bother Izzy (Stradlin). It was against his philosophy, which was pure rock and roll, with which I identify as well. We recorded the basics and when they started overdubs and overlaps, he kind of disappeared. "A week after the release of records, Stradlin officially announce their departure from the band. "I have not heard those jobs, but there are good things in them," concludes Slash.

Site from Brazil...

http://lokaos.net/guns-n-roses-banda-e-flagrada-ensaiando-estranged/

read with google translator.

GUNS N 'ROSES, by means of an initiative that seemed to be guitarist Ron' Bumblefoot 'THAL, sent his essay yesterday, Nov. 13, via a streaming over the Internet.

Among two long jam sessions, testing itself and conversations between the band members - of course, all without the 'capo di tutti capi' W. AXL ROSE - a passage called attention: DJ Ashba touching the ground of 'Estranged' epic song 'Use Your Illusion II' and that was never performed live after the dissolution of the group's classic lineup.

Intentionally or not, Thal interrupted the transmission of feed soon after realizing that the band rehearsed the music.

Last night, Road Recovery, an organization that helps teens fight addiction with guidance from big-name rockers, honored Slash, with help from Matt Sorum, Duff McKagan, Gilby Clarke, Wayne Kramer (MC5), Dave Kushner, Matt Pinfield, Jeremy Piven (drums), Jesse Malin, Miggs and others.

Soundcheck: Slither, It's So Easy, New Rose, Mama Kin, God Save the Queen, Kick Out the Jams, Wish You Were Here

Setlist (incomplete): Miss You (Stones), Dead Flowers (Stones), Tijuana Jail (Gilby Clarke), Wish You Were Here (Pink Floyd), Always on the Run (Lenny Kravitz), Hey Joe (Hendrix), Mama Kin (Aerosmith), Superstition (Stevie Wonder), Slither (Velvet Revolver), It's So Easy (Guns N' Roses), Knockin' on Heaven's Door (Bob Dylan), God Save the Queen (Sex Pistols), Kick Out the Jams (MC5).

http://www.roadrecovery.com

one thing is certain. his mustache is ridiculous.

..as were the braids

As are your creepy-ass posts

Seriously it's bad enough that people are complaining about setlists for shows that haven't taken place,but now you are going to dictate how someonue else should look and dress? Let's make it simple so everyone can maybe catch part of it- Just because you buy someone's album, does in no way give you the right to impose your standards on them. This is taking a wrongly implied sense of entitlement to an absolutely ridiculous extreme.

You choose to buy a ticket,you get to see a concert.You buy an Album,you get to hear the music when you want to,and that is it,end of transaction. Apply common sense here,when you buy a drink,you get a drink,but you don't get the right to tell the person that sold it to you how to dress,or how much they should weigh. You are taking this way too personally,and establishing a wrong sense of ownership.

GNR does not work for you,they don't have to do one damn thing for you,or act like you think they should.You are buying a ticket,you get to see the concert,you buy an album-you get to keep the album,no ownership of a person is involved in any of this.

You guys are seriously confused or disturbed and it is freakishly strange

Man, go to walk in the park.

mustache and the braids are ridiculous, for sure.

i have the right to express my opinion.

and yes, i love GNR.

Go for a walk in a minefield. You can decide how you look but buying a concert ticket or an album does not give you the right to say how someone else "should look". You are ridiculous

am i ridiculous?

what about u?

i have the right to express my opinion your fucker.

forget about me;

the mustache is lucious and i stalk gnr!

was in 3 shows. 1992,2001,2010. it's not so important, just like your opinion about me.

I just like to whine and Bitch,please pay attention to me

Uncontrollable crying.

HA! I make a point not to surround myself with harpy haters and have attended a plethoria of shows since the late 80's. Your opinion is minuscule,and you don't really matter in the grand scheme of things. Wow three

Whole shows

I'm packing,not bitching about meaningless points of view.

you're funny. maybe the most pathetic member of this forum.

see ya,

People don't know nothing about 'The General' or 'Atlas Shrugged" , or "Seven", even that exists or not new songs.

If GNR act like a normal band, maybe people increase interest.

one thing is certain. his mustache is ridiculous.

..as were the braids

As are your creepy-ass posts

Seriously it's bad enough that people are complaining about setlists for shows that haven't taken place,but now you are going to dictate how someonue else should look and dress? Let's make it simple so everyone can maybe catch part of it- Just because you buy someone's album, does in no way give you the right to impose your standards on them. This is taking a wrongly implied sense of entitlement to an absolutely ridiculous extreme.

You choose to buy a ticket,you get to see a concert.You buy an Album,you get to hear the music when you want to,and that is it,end of transaction. Apply common sense here,when you buy a drink,you get a drink,but you don't get the right to tell the person that sold it to you how to dress,or how much they should weigh. You are taking this way too personally,and establishing a wrong sense of ownership.

GNR does not work for you,they don't have to do one damn thing for you,or act like you think they should.You are buying a ticket,you get to see the concert,you buy an album-you get to keep the album,no ownership of a person is involved in any of this.

You guys are seriously confused or disturbed and it is freakishly strange

Man, go to walk in the park.

mustache and the braids are ridiculous, for sure.

i have the right to express my opinion.

and yes, i love GNR.

Go for a walk in a minefield. You can decide how you look but buying a concert ticket or an album does not give you the right to say how someone else "should look". You are ridiculous

am i ridiculous?

what about u?

i have the right to express my opinion your fucker.

forget about me;

the mustache is ridiculous and i love gnr!

was in 3 shows. 1992,2001,2010. it's not so important, just like your opinion about me.

see ya.

one thing is certain. his mustache is ridiculous.

..as were the braids

As are your creepy-ass posts

Seriously it's bad enough that people are complaining about setlists for shows that haven't taken place,but now you are going to dictate how someone else should look and dress? Let's make it simple so everyone can maybe catch part of it- Just because you buy someone's album, does in no way give you the right to impose your standards on them. This is taking a wrongly implied sense of entitlement to an absolutely ridiculous extreme.

You choose to buy a ticket,you get to see a concert.You buy an Album,you get to hear the music when you want to,and that is it,end of transaction. Apply common sense here,when you buy a drink,you get a drink,but you don't get the right to tell the person that sold it to you how to dress,or how much they should weigh. You are taking this way too personally,and establishing a wrong sense of ownership.

GNR does not work for you,they don't have to do one damn thing for you,or act like you think they should.You are buying a ticket,you get to see the concert,you buy an album-you get to keep the album,no ownership of a person is involved in any of this.

You guys are seriously confused or disturbed and it is freakishly strange

Man, go to walk in the park.

mustache and the braids are ridiculous, for sure.

i have the right to express my opinion.

and yes, i love GNR.

Buckethead is a beast. His nightrain's solo is ostrageous.

he was the biggest loss for this band. sublime musician at all possible levels.

I have somewhere a dvd with soundboard audio from boston...

It's great.

yes man, i had it too.

sound really, really good, quality and performance. buckethead in... fantastic show.

Rio 2001 is special

special? maybe...but the performance was weak. the show wasn't great. i was there.

freak visual of the members and poor execution of the new and old songs. simply as that,

Rio was a terrible performence from Axl. The band were top notch.

The Blues, Boston 2002, wipes the floor with Rio.

Boston 2002 was one of my favorites (quality,and performance) shows from a long time.

i still like it.

Rio 2001 was a joke. i was there.

BoBo ain't banned yet? I think it's time to add him to my ignore list like I did to Sunny.

On topic:

i don't really care in the end which albums sell more than others.

that's right man.

it don't really matters at all.

quality is the main thing i expect from a record.

besides, nobody buys cd's anymore, just fans.

3 post above :xmassrudolph:

CD1 :

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=4Q5DQV3A

CD2 :

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=DL70VK15

tanx a lot man!

Some tracks have good quality.

CD1 and CD2 uploaded (check my previous post). I forgot to put the numbers in the file name, so order by "track number" if you want my order.

can u put the download links here?

please...

this sucks. there are zillion of topic like these.

Direct and good song. i like it. note 7 is enough.

not a evolution i can say. basic rock song.

PJ never did nothing better than the first and fantastic TEN.

don't expect so much from this band anymore.

"And that’s Use Your Illusion in a nutshell: frustratingly brilliant. Flawed. Sprawling. Grandiose. Self-indulgent. Indecisive. Songs veer between near-perfection and utter disaster."

That's EXACTLY right about both Illusions. I'd use all those words to describe it. The guys on that site are great. Pretty sure it was started by some dudes over at www.ateaseweb.com which is a Radiohead forum, but the general music section is a lot bigger and that's where they spawned from I believe. Good guys, good article, good website.

...and...good topic, for sure.

see ya,.

CD1 :

CD2 :

CD3 :

CD4 :

there are links for this?

good topic. let's relax and enjoy.

Plus VR had just as much curiosity and interest in the rock world that Chinese Democracy did. CD was axls creation. While VR was a super group, bringing two large fan bases to the table.

The only way to compare first album sales would have been in Axl had formed a super group. Like if he teamed up with the Van Halen brothers.

Vr did not have nearly as much "mythical presence" and hype surrounding their debut as axl did with nu guns and chinese democracy. That's for sure an over statement.

Sorry, but you are wrong. Mythical Presence? What does that even mean?

I promise you that VR was more hyped and was more publicized in the months before the first album than CD was.

Die-hard and hardcore GnR fans were chomping at the bit for CD. Put the casual 15-30 year old rock fan? No. Add in that anybody interested had already been listening to part of CD for six or seven years. I had probably listened to the blues 1000 times before cd came out. And most of the album had leaked prior to release as well.

Throw in a lack of band generated publicity as well.

But with VR you had the next "big" rock band. The "cool" members of GnR teaming up with a well known singer. It was a tailor made story.

The fact Axl worked on cd for so many years and spent so much money was seen as a joke by most people. Most of the album leaked, no band publicity, an exclusive deal with best buy......it isn't surprising at all that VR debut album would sell more.

If u want to compare album sales (which is stupid anyway) a more fair comparison will be to compare the sales of each band's second album.

agree with u man.

5HIT > This thread :xmassrudolph:

perfect!