kanudo19

the general

It is creepy as hell for a 50+ year old man to refer to a 50+ woman as "mother"

he needed grounds to kick the fuck out of somebody.

He really didn't "kick the f*ck out of somebody" though. More like threw a sucker punch and then quickly left, he didn't stick around and try and fight the guy.

I think fighting is idiotic, especially once you are out of your teen years. The way some people (not you Dana) act like Axl is some big bad-ass is pretty funny. Most of his "fights" are quick sudden explosions that aren't really fights, but just him attacking people. And bighting the leg of somebody in a fight doesn't mean you are kicking ass, it means you are getting your ass kicked.

Kanada - how do you know that about Axl and Beta? How do you know so much about their relationship? And why are you telling people to grow up? People are sharing their opinions on a rock music forum. If you can't handle people's opinions when they aren't worshipping your Idol, then maybe you are the one who needs to grow up?

It is creepy as hell for a 50+ year old man to refer to a 50+ woman as "mother"

he needed grounds to kick the fuck out of somebody.

He really didn't "kick the f*ck out of somebody" though. More like threw a sucker punch and then quickly left, he didn't stick around and try and fight the guy.

I think fighting is idiotic, especially once you are out of your teen years. The way some people (not you Dana) act like Axl is some big bad-ass is pretty funny. Most of his "fights" are quick sudden explosions that aren't really fights, but just him attacking people. And bighting the leg of somebody in a fight doesn't mean you are kicking ass, it means you are getting your ass kicked.

Kanada - how do you know that about Axl and Beta? How do you know so much about their relationship? And why are you telling people to grow up? People are sharing their opinions on a rock music forum. If you can't handle people's opinions when they aren't worshipping your Idol, then maybe you are the one who needs to grow up?

Because you guys twist things way too much. To me is simple, axl lives with beta and her children since the illusions, she helped him throughout the divorce and the band break up, he has said that if not for her he probably wouldnt be able to pick himself up to be the person he is today. Fernando and vanessa probably lived with beta and axl too right ? For several years he got used to them calling her mom and since she took care of everything for him too he started calling her mom too.

Hell, like i said in a previous post she said in '01 that the whole band calls her mom, so why are you guys always criticizing everything ? It's their fucking life.

This as nothing to do with worshiping, i just think it's stupid. I for one am happy for axl, i have depression and fibromyalgia and i know what its like to get to a point where ur desperate to really have someone there for you, its a weird felling but axl found someone who "saved" him and because of that he was able to pick himself up and get gnr back together again.

Basically it's his relationship with beta and we fans have no right to criticize it.

And facekicker Kate Putin looks damn fine to me.

Fine ish....

First..........."you guys" twist stuff too much. Let's be honest here - BOTH sides of the fence twist things on this forum. So don't act like twisting the facts is just going on by people who aren't happy with Axl. Let's not forget that posters on here have defended Axl for his domestic abuse situations saying that those bitches were crazy and deserved it, they didn't leave immediately, Axl is bipolar and was abused as a kid so we can't blame him for smacking his gf around, etc. And anytime something new happens you have the volcanos/comas/alis/etc on here twisting the "facts" to make Axl look good and then to also somehow bring Slash into the picture and make him look bad.

Whenever Axl screws up again, you'll have one group on here "twisting" things to make him look worse and you'll have another group "twisting" things to make him look better.

""""so why are you guys always criticizing everything"""" First off, I don't always criticize 'everything.' I give tons of praise on here to Axl and to CD and to their live shows. And, this is an open forum. It isn't run by the band, so legit opinions are allowed. If you don't want to hear what people really have to say, why not post in closed forums like HTGTH or the band's forum? If you just want to praise Axl and jerk him off 24/7 - this forum isn't the place. People here are honest and share their opinions.

"It's their fucking life""""" So if we can't talk about the lives of the people that are involved with the topic of this forum, what can we talk about? GnR's latest album?????? And how come I don't see you going to this defense mode when people are bashing Slash's business and personal moves?

And as for the Axl-Beta relationship thing.

Why is it OK for you to talk about their personal life together, but not for other people? Because you paint it with rose colored glasses and other people don't? Bit hypocritical of you big boy. If you are going to talk about what has gone on in their personal lives together and then give your OPINION about it - how in the world can you tell other people to shut up and not talk about it? (It's their f*cking life).

Without knowing all people involved and just from what I've seen while following the band GnR...........I'd say that it would appear that Beta and her family were a great thing for Axl's personal life. They have apparently given him the "family" that he has always wanted. But from a fan of Axl Rose the musician and the band GnR, Team Brazil is the worst thing that has ever happened to us.

You actually don't know that, they've been more active since TB took over than before! Maybe TB wants to do more things but Axl doesn't. I can agree that they may not have the experience or business contacts necessaries to manage a band this big BUT saying that theyre the worst thing that has ever happened is pure speculation.

Tours have gone well and on time, they communicate more than ever and the band even does interviews to the fans. Sure they could and should do a lot more like release music BUT that imo is axl's fault.

I don't defend nor attack axl regarding the domestic abuse, i couldn't care less about it. And my personal opinion from personal experience is that when you have really fucked up emotional problems u can't control you're emotions and you do stupid things like walking out onstage or hit ur gf/wife during an argument. But im not saying it's ok, it's just that it's very hard to control urself in that kind of situation. Some people can, some people can't. Axl has showed many times that he can't deal with emotions.

And i don't defend slash because i dont give a fuck about him, i also don't go around defending all the other 99,999999% musicians out there.

Kanudo is my mom.

Hi mom.

... and Axl is my uncle ...

So ... Axl and Kanudo are brother and sister.

Hi son

i somewhat agree with kanudo19.

i also have depression bad and we can get to points where we need someone.

in Axl's case,he was the biggest rock star in the world,things crumbled,everything fell apart band wise and

Beta was there.

i personally wish Slash would have been there,but Axl hated Slash by then.

it's Axl who "chose" Beta and maybe it saved him from suicide like Kurt or madness worse than we've seen.

then it got complicated.

Axl could have separated personal and band life.

GNR doesn't need a mother even if Axl does.

is Ashba also calling her mother?

i wish for Axl a Beta-free life now.it's been 25 years.time to move on.

she isn't a creative source for him,she won't produce new music.

if Axl wants to add one more album to his legacy i think TB has to go and we need professionals.

but Axl seems stuck and unwilling to cooperate.

oh,the topic…..i don't think Axl is in sao paolo in great shape.i think he's at home doing nothing.

This, but i see no reason to him to "move on" away from his family. And tb are his family, i can also understand the reasons why he got TB to manage guns BUT i can't really say if it was a good call or not, it's a good thing to have someone he trusts managing the band but at the same time they lack the experience and connections that some well known experienced manager could bring to the table.

But this is all speculation, they may be highly competent for the job and perhaps the only reason that prevents them from moving the band forward and push for an album is because axl doesnt want to. They're managing the band but at the end of the day they have to ask axl if he wants this or that, they don't go around scheduling things without his permission.

It is creepy as hell for a 50+ year old man to refer to a 50+ woman as "mother"

he needed grounds to kick the fuck out of somebody.

He really didn't "kick the f*ck out of somebody" though. More like threw a sucker punch and then quickly left, he didn't stick around and try and fight the guy.

I think fighting is idiotic, especially once you are out of your teen years. The way some people (not you Dana) act like Axl is some big bad-ass is pretty funny. Most of his "fights" are quick sudden explosions that aren't really fights, but just him attacking people. And bighting the leg of somebody in a fight doesn't mean you are kicking ass, it means you are getting your ass kicked.

Kanada - how do you know that about Axl and Beta? How do you know so much about their relationship? And why are you telling people to grow up? People are sharing their opinions on a rock music forum. If you can't handle people's opinions when they aren't worshipping your Idol, then maybe you are the one who needs to grow up?

It is creepy as hell for a 50+ year old man to refer to a 50+ woman as "mother"

he needed grounds to kick the fuck out of somebody.

He really didn't "kick the f*ck out of somebody" though. More like threw a sucker punch and then quickly left, he didn't stick around and try and fight the guy.

I think fighting is idiotic, especially once you are out of your teen years. The way some people (not you Dana) act like Axl is some big bad-ass is pretty funny. Most of his "fights" are quick sudden explosions that aren't really fights, but just him attacking people. And bighting the leg of somebody in a fight doesn't mean you are kicking ass, it means you are getting your ass kicked.

Kanada - how do you know that about Axl and Beta? How do you know so much about their relationship? And why are you telling people to grow up? People are sharing their opinions on a rock music forum. If you can't handle people's opinions when they aren't worshipping your Idol, then maybe you are the one who needs to grow up?

Because you guys twist things way too much. To me is simple, axl lives with beta and her children since the illusions, she helped him throughout the divorce and the band break up, he has said that if not for her he probably wouldnt be able to pick himself up to be the person he is today. Fernando and vanessa probably lived with beta and axl too right ? For several years he got used to them calling her mom and since she took care of everything for him too he started calling her mom too.

Hell, like i said in a previous post she said in '01 that the whole band calls her mom, so why are you guys always criticizing everything ? It's their fucking life.

This as nothing to do with worshiping, i just think it's stupid. I for one am happy for axl, i have depression and fibromyalgia and i know what its like to get to a point where ur desperate to really have someone there for you, its a weird felling but axl found someone who "saved" him and because of that he was able to pick himself up and get gnr back together again.

Basically it's his relationship with beta and we fans have no right to criticize it.

And facekicker Kate Putin looks damn fine to me.

Fine ish....

you guys twist thigs so much. Axl acts younger than he is, and she acts like a "mom" always going around seeing if axl and everyone is ok and etc, therefore all the band as called her the "mother of guns n roses", She lives with axl and takes care of everything in his house and everything he needs and everytime he needs someone to talk to she is there, so it's like she's his mother. What's creepy about it ?

Grow up

It is creepy as hell for a 50+ year old man to refer to a 50+ woman as "mother"

Why ? It's not like he think's she's his real mother. Just some older woman who came into his life and helped him alot and he calls mother, i see nothing wrong with that

btw

Sorry for the paint skillz blame mr. brownstone

No clear answer here, but Axl is the kind of person who can hit the highest of highs one second and lowest of lows the next for no reason.

He might wake up one day and want to write a song, but bc he has an obsessive attitude he will write 100 songs in one day. Then he will go on a long run of working on music for weeks and all of a sudden he will wake up one day and quit working on anything. He'll want to learn to paint or something.

Point is he really has to be extremely motivated to work on releasing music. I don't think that motivation is there right now and it's not something he will force himself to do. It's just in his nature.

this

obiously i was kidding,its sad the whole thing, "you hit my mother" and whole reaction.

sad why ? You obviously never suffered to the point in life where u really needed someone to help you. Beta is like a mother to Axl, it's a beautiful thing imo and im happy 4 him.

Adler has been through it.no doubt.

but don't judge him for being a homo when the context was like that.

to say that Slash is overrated ……is it a joke?

the guitar player on lies,AFD,illusions,walk of fame star,he doesn't deserve

respect?

Slash is,if anything,underrated because his best work is with Axl and Axl isn't willing to work with slash.

if Axl had been a reasonable person and done a reunion or reached out to Slash as a bro,the world would know more.

Slash and Duff seems to be the two from original Guns with not super strange lives.

i don't know what Izzy is up to these days but he seems obscure.

and i think Izzy should have showed in Cleveland too.

but again,disrespecting Slash is ridiculous,always was,al;ways will be.

LOL

Why did Chinese Democracy have to take as long as it did, it's a music album, no more, so why couldn't Axl just record 12 songs and release them. Why did it have to be so big.I'll never understand this, what was so special about making this particular album. Anyone have any insight.

perfectionism

now i want cookies

the sad thing about all this,is that his "friends" and "managment" and bunch of all day followers don tell him,Axl you really lost your voice,Axl you should go to the gym and stop drinking if you want to be a profesional singer.

That's just idiotic.

Ever heard of a man called Marlon brando ? He appeared on the set of Apocalypse now even fatter than he was when he signed for the movie (and they told him before signing that he had to lose some weight) , he also had not read the script nor the book.

Get my point ? It's Axl fucking Rose. don't you think he reads all about how people think he's fat and should hit the gym ? He's just lazy or simply doesn't give a fuck and he won't go hit the gym and go on doing diets just because his mom told him to.

I want to see a selfie taken by axl laughing in front of a computer with a shitload of unreleased songs on screen.

and then i want to know more about axl's space era toilet.

The toilet of the video of that blonde chick that got invited to Axl's house for a party? haha

Yeah i mean that's some hi-tech shit right there. Wonder what the buttons do ? does he press one of them and the toilet washes his ass with warmn water ? hmm

I remember reading somewhere that Slash once passed out and died in the elevator of a hotel and the only reason he was found and resuscitated was because someone went to inspect why the elevator wasnt working, he had passed out and was stopping the doors from closing.

Im glad they revived him, otherwise he would become even more overrated

I doubted the story, but posted it on Perfect Crime's facebook page either way (I'm one of the adms there), to check if anybody else heard it as well.

The whole thing sounded...weird...to me. I mean, why the hell would Axl be in São Paulo around this time? But Erick, the guy who heard it on the radio, is a stand up guy who wouldn't make this up, I think it's important to make this clear, though.

Now why would the guys from 89fm make this up? Are they losing audience to Kiss FM or something and need publicity?

Edit: my exact first thought was "Maybe the guy saw Joel, from The Best GNR Cover and thought he was Axl"

well his family is brazillian and it's hot in brazil right ?

What's that story about traci wanting to rejoin guns ?

If this doesn't get cancelled and some of you see it please don't spoil the setlist.

I'd be more concearned my brother died than care about shitty demo's with helium pre gnr Axl.

"In his honor" what bollocks. I sure he done more with his life than work on a shitty legal case about shitty demo's. He's doing it for himself, not his brother or anyone else.

What makes you so sure? You don't know that's the case. It's possible, but you're just guessing here man.

Well, his brother obviously had his own demons as he commited suicide. Why not combat those reasons in his honor?

Just seemed like hollywood rose managed to release demos, so this guy is wanting to cash grab on it too. Typical case of selling out your friends for money and abusing there celebrity status.

Of course i don't know the details, but why can't he just respect the singers wishes?

They have probably spent more fighting this case in court than they could ever make by commercially selling these recordings. Maybe like Marc Canter's Reckless Road book, this too is a labor of love.

Axl has always had haters and people turning against him. Like Jesus. Judas sold him out and commited suicide because he couldn't live with the guilt. I guess some things never change..

You're comparing Axl to Jesus?

Comparing Axl to a fictional character ?

Does this guy not know that Axl knows Arnold Schwarzenegger ? I mean instead of being sued he may well receive a visit from the Governator.

Just release SOMETHING!

Release Ashba

Im sure its gonna be a huge sucess

I want to see a selfie taken by axl laughing in front of a computer with a shitload of unreleased songs on screen.

and then i want to know more about axl's space era toilet.

In 1997 Todd Sullivan, who was then a talent executive for Geffen, sent Axl a sampling of CD's produced by different people, and encouraged him to choose one to work on Chinese Democracy. Todd Sullivan reported he received a call informing him that Axl had run over the albums with a car.

Axl took Buckethead to disney land and had a chicken coop built in the studio for him.

Supposedly, Axl checked himself into a mental hospital in 2002 after the tour ended for exhaustion.

When Axl first started working on CD, he rented one piece of specialized equipment for more than two years at a cost well into six figures and only used it for a month.

Axl has over 1,000 demos and audio clips from the CD era in his vault.

Interesting.. I feel like something worse then exhaustion is going on to check one self into a mental hospital.. Is that 1000+ number confirmed? Seems you give a man like Axl that much stuff, he could be sorting through it for a millennia

He may have a 1000 demos... i mean it took way long and the band had many members, buckethead for instance has released 47 albums in his relatively small career , songs like shackler were nothing but a bucket's demo until axl grabbed it and turned it into a song after bucket left. So he could have a shitload of demos

If Axl has no legal recourse, what's stopping them?

I don't get why Axl would have such a stick up his ass over this anyways. Ten years of legal mumbo jumbo over this? Really Axl?

It's probably Axl's lawyers working just to show something done in return for their paychecks. If kevin called him he would probably let him release the songs...theres no reason not to. Instead of the legal mumbo jumbo why not simply talk like two former friends ?