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So you have no evidence to conclude that was Izzy's reduced percentage was allocated to the remaining members equally, pro-rata, or any other fitting allocation method but you made that conclusion anyway?

Even if the % taken from Izzy's share of touring revenue was being added to Axl's %, a change in the revenue split of touring revenues would still have to have been approved by all members of the partnership. The quote from Izzy has been used numerous times on GNR boards to paint Axl as someone who went behind everyone's back to minimize Izzy's participation in that revenue stream for his own personal gain. I'm simply pointing out that the commonly suggested scenario would have been impossible. It may be true that Axl was chosen to be the one to approach Izzy about the change, but it would have had to have been a group decision. The quote is typically used by bitter ex-fans to suggest a scenario that wouldn't have been possible.

Yeah, not really though. None of his post-GnR albums aside from Contraband have sold well, and none of his post-GnR tour aside from the first few VR tours have done well. Nobody has ever really cared about anything he did after GnR aside from Contraband, and that was as much a product of Scott/STP's popularity and GnR's popularity combined with the presences of Duff/Matt's as it was Slash, as much as that may hurt some people to admit.

Slash's album Slash did better than I thought. I don't remember what the sales figures were but they were decent. He got to play with Michael Jackson without playing GN'R songs. I would say that Kickingthehabit had a valid point. Slash has done pretty for a solo artist.

It goes both ways. If you look at Slash's solo live album, 1/3 of the songs are GN'R songs. I'd say Slash's career has and is still benefitting from playing songs others have co-written.

Not an entirely fair comparison. Slash has been touring solo since 1996. For about a decade, he didn't touch anything but It's So Easy and Mr. Brownstone. Heaven's Door popped up once or twice at benefit gigs and Paradise City was played at a talk show appearance when Velvet was known as The Project. He really didn't start indulging in GNR material until he began working on and subsequently released his self-titled album.

The only time in his post-GnR days he's been able to get away with not playing GnR tunes and playing anything more than bars is when he was with VR. With Azoff in their corner, they followed Audioslave's formula to a tee and had a very successful debut album and tour. The second time, they thought they could do it themselves (with Perla as manager instead of Azoff) and the album and tour both tanked horribly.

These days Slash is relegated to playing 1500 person venues and the only reason he's not playing plain old bars is the GnR tunes. So let's not pretend this decision was voluntary; he has a money hungry/spend happy wife and the only way he can attract 1000-1500 people to his concerts is the GnR stuff.

You're excluding his success with VR to validate your point? He did fine with both Snakepit bands as well. The second Snakepit toured with AC/DC. People go to see Slash because he's Slash, a guitar legend, not just because they get to hear Sweet Child o' Mine.

"Apparently Axl had these ideas for a while already as he did the same with Izzy back in 1991"

The Izzy stuff is VERY misleading. Whether it was Axl that handed Izzy the contract or not, I don't know.

But what I do know is that Axl would NOT have had the legal authority to minimize Izzy's role unless Slash and Duff were in agreement. It may have been decided that Axl be the one to break the news to Izzy, but it would have had to have been a group decision.

And for those that doubt that Slash and Duff would be a part of it, consider the fact that a reduction in Izzy's % of touring revenue would mean an increase in the % for the others. So Axl, Slash AND Duff would have to agree and sign off on the new arrangement.

How do you know that the revenue wasn't ceded over solely to Axl? How can you determine if the % was increase the others? I'm not saying it wasn't but what evidence do you have to compel this conclusion? Seems like rather silly syllogism.

Didn't Slash mention in his book of Axl arguing for a higher percentage than Steven Adler because he didn't feel like they were equals so he took part of Steven's share. I think that's mentioned somewhere in the book.

If anyone has listened to this interview on the Adam Carolla show with David Wild, David provides an anecdote where he was requested by Axl's manager to apologize for a Rolling Stone article that he never wrote. Axl's manager noted that Axl knew David didn't write it but just wanted someone to apologize.

http://www.adamcarolla.com/david-wild-and-fred-dryer/

http://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/traffic.libsyn.com/theadamcarollashow/2012.03.20ACS.mp3

I think the same thing could be happening here. Slash was being requested to apologize for something that may never have happened or some things that one would not genuinely feel sorry for.

He looked pretty care-free during RIR4. I wonder if he is like that all the time.

I think they had to become more independent when their manager died. They drifted apart over time. Honestly I don't like all the two-part harmonies they had on songs and the later Beatles work just before their break up was their best. I really couldn't imagine the later work as Beatles songs. Lennon moved away to New York and became a kind of family man and turned away McCartney who came down with his guitar in hand. If they lived on I think they would have reunited a few times.

Why is everyone comparing pianists?

I think there was a settlement of some kind, and in the end it was dropped. I think the question about it was brought in an interview a while and Slash noted that I guess legally he can't talk about it which is why you don't hear him say much about it.

Dunno why people don't think Axl lies. I actually believed him went came down and chatted with us to give us his side of things.

If you guys want to read the 2004 lawsuit that states that Axl was the one that left Guns N' Roses to start his new band "Guns N' Roses", here it is:

http://web.archive.org/web/20040612223614/http://celebrityjustice.warnerbros.com/documents/04/05/gnr.pdf

WTF! Slash ripping off Chinese Democracy album art! OMFGGGGGGGGG! WTFFFFFFFFFF!!!

Fuckin' idiots.

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I actually blame Mario for using the red star to make fun of Axl. Or maybe Axl was using it to make fun of Mario

I think his voice is the main reason another album isn't out. He certainly cares about how much he dislikes a certain guitarist.

Wasn't Beta involved in the whole the Activision deal?

When Slash and Conan went shopping for a guitar, he had an even better Mickey Mouse T-shirt.

http://blog.craigslist.org/2009/06/conan-n-slash-shop-cl-for-new-ax/

Does anyone think Slash is part of the Illuminati? He appears to be invincible.

Well I honestly don't know much about what was expected and didn't really read the article but I did see the note on that page:

It’s interesting to note, the contestant [Kris Allen] defeated, Adam Lambert, entered at #1 last week with his second album, Trespassing, generating sales of 77k.

I thought Beautiful Dangerous was going to be a hit but it didn't. Overall though the album Slash did a lot better than I expected.

Oh well, go Slash!

Winning!

Well that's a fine accomplishment in this day and age anyhow, doing it all on his own with Myles, without other names to go with it. I'm glad it's finally out. I haven't picked up the album but will next week. Going to see them play this summer. Oh well, I think his Slasher Films will be paydirt once that gets going.

People aren't ridiculing MSL because he enjoys the band. It's more of the case that they just really don't like him. He's burned more bridges than the Vietcong. MSL can fill up posts using Ali-like rhetorician methods and hyperbolic adjectives all he wants to make him look all erudite but he should embrace the truth, which is that people don't find him interesting anymore. His trolling with random lawsuit threats and making this thread revolve himself wasn't clever or funny apart from the reactive comments he got. Certainly Randy's thread would have been more fun if MSL's nerdiness didn't get in the way. I'm guessing he's hanging around all the "ex-fans" because no one wants to waste their time on his own website mistersaintlaurent.com, not even him.

"Uh"

why have fans discussing a band they like when you can have a bunch of bitter ex-fans derailing the discussion amongst fans?

u had the 2nd post here, the very one that derailed it. the thread prolly would a been more fun if you hadn't been such a negative nancy.

Bumblefoot getting lost with the Stormtrooper helmet was kinda like Derek Smalls getting trapped in that thing on stage.

Can MSL's family sue him for dragging down the St. Laurent name the way Slash & Duff allegedly sued Axl for tarnishing the GN'R brand?

Can I sue if my reputation is egregiously reduced to 3 stars based on some whoppers people spread about me?

What would be the damages due to libel?

What would be the consequences?

Can't his entourage take away his time pieces and convince him to believe he's going on at 11:00 when it's really 8:00? He's in a different time zone, and may not be able to tell anyway.

A better comparison would be Velvet Revolver's new album vs. a NUGNR album. They've both been loved long time in development heck, and my money is on Velvet Revolver in that sense. People will be more nostalgic for VR than NuGNR since neither is GNR but at least VR made a palpable dent in recent memory while NUGNR became an esoteric interest that you read about more than hear about.

Yeah. But now I guess my profile was changed back to sane.