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I like the three guitar approach.
I also like the gettem Slash approach.
They are just different.
Slash has his a very unique tone that many have tried to duplicate
And failed.
You can get the les pauls and the marshals but you can't take his right hand.
The new band is just going for something different. Def more virtuosity. ( is that a word?)
And its not that slash can't play fast. His style is just different. His right hand attacks the notes in a way that is his own. Others can play the notes, but I can def tell when It's Slash playing. I was listening to Stoke today and I must say all the Slash hating is unwarranted.
He is much cleaner, meaner and faster, but it's still him( I know I sound like a mega nutthugger right now but I believe it is deserved) But the new guys are great guitarist especially Ron n dick.... They play the notes and do them justice. Bumble is prolly one of the most technically advanced guitarist out there. He is a very exciting to watch and very creative. I wish Axl would unlease this lineup as writers.Axl/ bumble/ Ashba written songs will be great I think.
Rambling over: but I like three guitar senario.
I will say this. I'd like to hear your views on it.
Slash has been playing basically the same solo, or variation of it since he bailed on the Snakepit project. I felt Axl and Izzy's songwriting pushed Slash as a writer of guitar parts. During the Snakepit years (especially the 2nd album) he wrote some really creative stuff because he had something to prove and a chip on his shoulder. Ever since Velvet into his Solo ventures he has been rehashing what seems like variations of the same solo over and over...The solo i'm talking about is in "Slither", and If i had my CDs in front of me right now I'd cite you some examples from GNRs old records. Do you know what i'm talking about and/or do you agree???
DISCLAIMER: Im not trying to get a rise out of Slash-ites!!! I am a huge Slash fan. I just don't like what he's done recently. Hell, I bought a Marshall and a Les Paul when I was in high school just to try to get that Slash tone. I just want to discuss what I think is a slight issue with Slash's recent projects.
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Slash don't want to conquer the world anymore, the majority of his fans, including me, are quite happy with what he's doing with him, we're getting live shows, live dvd's, cd's, tours, new songs.. the guy is enjoying it and so are we...
could he be with a better singer?... probably, would he have a great relationship with?, who knows?, would he enjoy it?, hard to tell... Myles is great, and we have to wait for the upcoming cd to really rate their "work together".. but so far it's been a blast imho..
You're right. if the fans are having fun and Slash is having fun that's really all that matter right? Its only music.
The only burden Slash and Axl both have is their amazing body of work. Both Axl and Slash have written (together and apart) some fantastic music where the phrases "kickass rock" and "great music" just don't do it justice. What they've both created has become so mythic, cerebral, and lengendary to many fans, so I think a lot of us put them on a higher pedestal than say your Poisons and your Motley Crues etc. etc. -- I am one of those fans, so when I see Slash working with someone like Myles Kennedy I cringe. I, in the same way, am critical of who Axl chooses to play guitar with. I hold a much higher standard for him because Slash has set the bar so high.
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=1huabr5rO7w
OH MY GOD!!! I have beef with more than just Myles...The rhythm/2nd lead guitarist is just awful. 1) he butchers the solo @ 1:47 - 1:58. Listen for yourselves!! 2) He does this "lame-pointing-to-the-beat-of-the-song" thing in the middle of the solo!!! Looks like something CC Deville would do!! Just when I thought you couldn't get any hokier than Myles along comes this rhythm player. I mean...maybe you like Myles...whatever...but that solo was just butchered there... no defense for that IMO.
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Don't you fuckers have anything else better to do? lulz
nope..im at work standing at a desk for 8 hours :xmasssanta:
Do you work at a hotel?
ding ding ding...tell him what he's won bob!!!!
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This topic is getting silly. I remember watching the first videos that made it onto youtube at the start of the 09 asian tour... everyone agreed that Ashba brought back the "blues" sound that had been missing so long from new GNR. He is one of the best things that happened to the band since the beginning of the new Guns N' Roses, he's a very solid and very charismatic guitarist that shares true alchemy on stage with Axl. NO other guitarist in the new GNR history tied with the audience and Axl the way Ashba does.
Sure he isn't the best guitarist ever, so what? He's pretty square on 90% of the GNR catalog, just because he can't play Bucket or Finck's parts 100% the way they were written doesn't mean shit. He is the best at covering Slash AND adds his own style.
GNR wouldn't be currently touring if it wasn't for DJ Ashba, his sense of business, sex appeal and solid guitarist skills really brought some fresh air to Guns n' Roses, no one can deny that. I love Bumblefoot's sound but it's inappropriate for the main riff of Sweet child for example. Fortus while amazing on his bond solo and other stuff, can't quite play the way Ashba plays. If you can't hear it, then it's too bad, but let's be honest, instrumentally, the songs never sounded so good live. And that's because of three names: DJ, Richard and Ron. End of.
DJ's cool.
RED = I AGREE WITH YOU
BLUE = I DISAGREE WITH YOU :-)
#1: Clearly Finck and Buckethead are the best things to happen to new GNR, since THEY WROTE ALL THE NEW MATERIAL!!!!
#2: I will agree Axl does have an onstage chemisty with DJ and you can tell during interviews they are chummy and that's good for Axl, because whens the last time you remember Axl having a legitimate friend.
#3: He is NOT the best at covering Slash and he in no way adds his own style. Bumble and Fortus can play circles around Ashba whille adding their own flare. No one quite added their unique flare the way the Finck did but Bumble and Fortus do make it much more personalized than Ashba (i.e. Fortus on November Rain, Rocket Queen & Bumble on most of the faster AFD songs). The only time when DJ adds his own thing is when he bends the intro note to Jungle which SOUNDS AWFUL!!!
Watching Ashba you can tell he's trying to nail Slash's parts verbatim, but his skill level isn't really there. So when DJ fumbles and doesn't get it exactly right, he CAN'T improvise through it so it just sounds like a horrible flub!! Its like he's lost his spot in the song.
#4: GNR is touring, doing press, and hosting live show streams simply because Beta is managing Axl and the band. That is obvious. It has nothing to do with DJ at all.
#5: You're saying Bumble couldn't pull off the tone and sound of SCOM accurately???!!! All he needs is a Les Paul and a Marshall stack. End of discussion.
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Don't you fuckers have anything else better to do? lulz
nope..im at work standing at a desk for 8 hours :xmasssanta:
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Foo Fighters have 3 guitarists now. It just sounds bigger.
I agree. 3 guitars just has a massive epic arena-ready sound that you cant get with only 2. November Rain at the Seattle show last Friday was the most powerful thing I've ever witnessed. It was just an onslaught of sonic power and emotion, probably due to the triple guitar lineup....even DJ was pretty damn awesome from what I could hear from the stands....but being in the moment at the show is different than sitting at home analyzing a soundboard recording, so who knows how good DJ actually was. regardless, my experience was amazing and the best concert of my life!!!
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It may not be as present as it used to be, but I actually got into an argument with an uncle of mine today at christmas over the same subject.
I'm sure many of you have seen a line like this, or very similar, in various GnR concert reviews:
"Guns trio of guitars proved worthy throughout the night but it was disappointing to see that Axl needed to institute three guitar players to fill the void that Slash left in the band"
Now, obviously the argument is bad to start off with, because in most cases a lead, and rhythm guitar player make up the guitar sound of a band, generally. It wasn't like Slash created and played every guitar recorded for Guns prior to ChiDem.
Second, and this bugs me the most, is that people honestly state that, and believe it. To me, if you're job is to review music you should probably know that it doesn't take a combination of these 3 guitarists to reach and play to Slash's ability. Just because 1 guy plays the first solo in November Rain, and a different guy plays the 2nd solo, doesn't mean that a guitarist "can't handle" Slash's solo.
If you're reviewing music, and you honestly think that a guy that plays a guitar as his lifelong profession and career, can't play the solo to November Rain etc etc that any 13 year old taking guitar lessons for a year could handle, then you're just not allowed to be associated with anything in music again, ever.
Sorry for the rant, but I just wanted to bring it up..maybe create a discussion thats a bit off the norm around here.
I agree. Axl has 3 guitarists to give the band a powerful sound not because he needs 3 guitars to cover slash's parts.
For the sake of this argument lets throw DJ out of the picture because he is not essential in covering any of the parts...
Bumblefoot and Fortus can cover all the Slash/Buckethead/Finck parts --- but on the flip side, Slash and Izzy could not play all the Buckethead/Bumblefoot parts. So technically who is the better guitar lineup?? hmmm....
And that is based on what? They are professional musicians - I'm sure they would be just fine.
you don't have any concept of the difference between "blues based" guitar playing and "virtuoso style" guitar playing do you?? I really was hesitant to even reply to this ignorant post but hey-- its Christmas!
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The "little drummer boy" shit he does on Madagascar is sooo fucking annoying.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crmd-Hu9jnw&feature=player_embedded
2:05 to 2:11 is cringeworthy. DJ raping one of Bucketheads amazing yet subtle Madagascar riffs because he's too concerned with looking cool with a cigarette in his mouth. just sad. I mean that sounds bad. No one can defend that.
omg that was incredibly bad
okay so maybe i take back what i said about Ashba doing an "adequate" job of covering the parts.
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Gimmicks are not really needed in rock n roll
Gimmicks only work if you can still wow people without the gimmick. If you rely on the gimmick you're already dead in the water.
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The "little drummer boy" shit he does on Madagascar is sooo fucking annoying.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crmd-Hu9jnw&feature=player_embedded
2:05 to 2:11 is cringeworthy. DJ raping one of Bucketheads amazing yet subtle Madagascar riffs because he's too concerned with looking cool with a cigarette in his mouth. just sad. I mean that sounds bad. No one can defend that.
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It may not be as present as it used to be, but I actually got into an argument with an uncle of mine today at christmas over the same subject.
I'm sure many of you have seen a line like this, or very similar, in various GnR concert reviews:
"Guns trio of guitars proved worthy throughout the night but it was disappointing to see that Axl needed to institute three guitar players to fill the void that Slash left in the band"
Now, obviously the argument is bad to start off with, because in most cases a lead, and rhythm guitar player make up the guitar sound of a band, generally. It wasn't like Slash created and played every guitar recorded for Guns prior to ChiDem.
Second, and this bugs me the most, is that people honestly state that, and believe it. To me, if you're job is to review music you should probably know that it doesn't take a combination of these 3 guitarists to reach and play to Slash's ability. Just because 1 guy plays the first solo in November Rain, and a different guy plays the 2nd solo, doesn't mean that a guitarist "can't handle" Slash's solo.
If you're reviewing music, and you honestly think that a guy that plays a guitar as his lifelong profession and career, can't play the solo to November Rain etc etc that any 13 year old taking guitar lessons for a year could handle, then you're just not allowed to be associated with anything in music again, ever.
Sorry for the rant, but I just wanted to bring it up..maybe create a discussion thats a bit off the norm around here.
I agree. Axl has 3 guitarists to give the band a powerful sound not because he needs 3 guitars to cover slash's parts.
For the sake of this argument lets throw DJ out of the picture because he is not essential in covering any of the parts...
Bumblefoot and Fortus can cover all the Slash/Buckethead/Finck parts --- but on the flip side, Slash and Izzy could not play all the Buckethead/Bumblefoot parts. So technically who is the better guitar lineup?? hmmm....
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The "little drummer boy" shit he does on Madagascar is sooo fucking annoying.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crmd-Hu9jnw&feature=player_embedded
Horrible..
The band has turned possibly the most epic and personal song Axl has every written, "Madagascar", into a drum stick giveaway.
just horrible.
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Myles is hugely talented, and I like his version of Guns songs (although I'll always prefer Axl).
Sounds great.
imo Slash can't really pick singers worth a damn.
From what I know of GNR history/lore it was Steven, not Slash, who was insistent about being involved with Axl musically.
Scott Weiland, by the time VR came along, was so weak vocally that the only reason they even thought for a second he was a good choice was to try and recreate "the most dangerous band in the world image" and for his celebrity status. I do like Contraband and enjoyed the live show but you can't deny his voice was, and still is, very weak compared to when he first hit the scene.
Rod Jackson, from the 2nd Snakepit album, was generic as hell and sounded black. I'm not racist but I don't think the typical "black sounding" voice works well in hard rock, especially with Slash music. I did think that 2nd Snakepit album was some of Slash's best guitar work since UYI though.
I really liked Eric Dover on the 1st Snakepit album, but that was in 1994. He hasn't worked with a good singer since!!!!
Slash's recent solo disc quickly went in the trash. Sadly Fergie's song was the only one that was listenable. Most of the singers on that album were atrocious, and the ones that weren't atrocious had shitty material to work with from the start. Musically that album is shit as are most of the vocals on it. Christ, I don't really like Santana but that Supernatural album blows Slash's solo disc out of the water. I'm comparing the 2 because Slash was obviously trying to do a hard rock version of what Santana did with Supernatural. Buckethead has a disc called "Enter The Chicken" where he tries the same concept and its one of his best albums, and all of those singers are basically no-names with the exception of Serj from SOAD.
Myles is a joke. He was a goofball in "Rockstar", his voice is generic and grating, He shaves his armpits, He reminds me of Sebastian Bach with his stupid "power rock" stances and "clap alongs" during concerts. He's a joke and I find it appalling that Slash is taking the work they do together so seriously!! Just a few days ago on his Facebook page both Slash and Myles were going off about how great their studio sessions are going!! gag me. This guy is abysmal in every way...Slash's worst pick to date.
Besides Axl, Slash really has a shitty ear for singers he decides to work with.
It's a good thing that most people would consider your opionins shit. And you can group me with them. Since you don't care for Slash's choice in singers or most of his music I would suggest you find another outlet for your musical taste. In short don't let the door knob hit you in the ass on the way out!
well don't let the door hit you on the way out
Lol I just saw your post after I posted mine.
Slash is one of the greatest guitarists of our time. He can write amazing and memorable riffs better than anyone in rock past or present. I just don't think he has very good taste in singers. I mean he eventually kicks them all to the curb at some point so Slash would probably agree with me to some degree considering how critical he is of his own vocalists.
A lot of great guitarists have had similar experiences choosing bad singers. Look at Jeff Beck! he's probably one of the most experimental, technical, and uniquely talented guitarists to come out of the Yardbirds, but when it came down to it the bands/projects with the better singers got noticed and got popular.
Jimmy Page joined Robert Plant and Led Zeppelin is a legendary band even though Page was the sloppiest and less talented of the Yardbird guys.
Eric Clapton had a great voice himself so he sold his own package and now he's a legend.
Jeff Beck teamed up with Rod Stewart and....well we all know how that turned out. the Beck/Stewart project had much more underwhelming success because Stewart's voice wasn't that great even though Beck was CLEARLY the best guitarist of his era. Beck has in recent years come into the "Guitar God" category in his own right but this is all happening in his twilight years (late 90s-10s)--- as opposed to Clapton and Page who were considered rock gods in the 1970s nearly 25+ years later.
Luckily Slash had the partnership with Axl to propel him to a place where he can now work with mediocre singers and still sell albums.
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W23 you are actually complaining about a live show that you didn't actually attend?
Don't be embarrassed for DJ about his antics in stage. The people who actually attend the shows are having a blast and enjoying it.
With fans like you guys, who needs haters. I'm guessing you both are struggling guitar players who blame everybody in the industry for your lack of success. And as you bust out your solos in your basement you think that it should be you on stage and not the no talent Ashba. Jealousy is a terrible thing.
Not at all. DJ is just a poser and its plain and obvious for people to see. People are there to see Axl, we all know this. Its nice that you are trying to defend him, why I dont know, but I just read some posts here and posted my opinion, which I think a lot of people agree with.
I wish DJ the best, but his stage antics are really embarrassing and he looks like a poser. Simple.
exactly!! i wouldnt mind his poser antics if he had the skill to back it up.
In the same way that a dude with a KFC bucket on his head better have the skill to back up such a wacky look!!! ...oh yeah, he does.
PS: I had a fucking amazing time at the show and spent half of my paycheck on the ridiculously priced shirts without looking back. I loved GNR because they were NOT a hokey gimmicky cliche act...they were the real deal...DJ is making it a little less like that type of entity. But DJ or no DJ, this band is powerful as all hell and I hope DJ busts out some crazy shit to change my neutral opinion of him.
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Write posts that have some substance to them and proper wouldn't respond with smartass comments.
You don't like DJ, because of very substantial reasons. You don't trust Axl's musician choosing skills.
I am emailing DJ's webmaster as we speak. Ditch all Ashba related material you are selling, guitar players are not allowed to make money outside of actual concerts and album sales. Your talent and skill level as a musician is related to the merchandise content of your webpage, Facebook and MySpace. Your professional music ability equates to only having solos posted on your Facebook page. And make sure u only post solos that 16 year old scooter from Idaho. annotations play.
Edit that and let me know what you think.
You should also email or call Axl and let him know that he isn't picking the right people for the band.
#1: I write very detailed and substantial posts.
#2: In regards to DJ. I never said I hated him, or disliked him. He's been with GNR for too little of a time to know whether he has the songwriting chops or technical skills to be a valuable member of GNR when it comes to NEW material. So YES, I'm skeptical. I've made it clear on several posts on here that outside of COVERING Slash and Finck solos there is really no proof he is all that great. His solo numbers on this tour are pleasing to the ear but only adequate - same as his Slash/Finck parts.
I've asked for proof from members on this forum that shows he is a great guitar player. No one here has presented me with anything, so I went to his website to investigate further. I found nothing but "Ashba Swag", dolls, and apps, and a few YouTube videos where he's playing..
1) National Anthem (We've already discussed why this is far from a show of talent), and...
2) Sixx:Am songs (those songs are simple numetal/classic rock hybrid riffs that i've seen come out of many local bar bands you wouldn't pay $3 to see.
I love GNR and think they are above all bands in most every genre. Axl has an eye for talent, that's for sure, and I guess you're telling me I should trust him and just wait and see what happens, but SORRY I am a hardcore fan that has investigated all members/collaborators that have been added since 1998. ALL of them have back catalogs of work that show their talent that make me curious and excited about how they will add to Axl's vision. DJ is the one member that has been added that has not impressed me.
Yes, DJ does an adequate job of covering parts, but if I wanted to listen to just adequate rock I wouldn't listen to GNR.
I've met DJ. I saw him with Beautiful Creatures. He's a fine showman but at the end of the day I want great rock music from Axl and co. and don't care about tattoos, cigarettes in mouths, and hands behind ears to get drunk crowds riled up.
EDIT: I hope the new music he creates with the band is amazing and kicks ass, but we won't hear it for another 5-6 years so I think we all have more than enough time to speculate and discuss all possible outcomes.
why in the world would you spend so much time and energy investigating players in a band? And demanding proof from forum members?
Music is created to be listened to. Not to investigate and research and creep their Facebook and MySpace pages.
Sixx AM is equivalent to a $3 bar band? Your obsession with DJs solos and his poses on stage? And you don't think there will be new music for five more years? Yes. Sustance is the first word I think of when I see your screen name.
Yes, I do investigate new members and their projects. Why wouldn't I? I've discovered some great music through investigating the musical projects of GNR members as I think 99% of people who post on this forum probably have. Its called being a fan = you keep up with what the band is doing, and listen to the music they create. derrrrr
What's wrong with asking members for examples of DJs guitar playing? If people say someone is amazing then I would like to hear it for myself!!! ---- Someone told me once about this band Guns N Roses that I should check out because they were apparently really amazing. So I asked to borrow a CD and I was hooked. That's how you discover new music!!!!! haha you have the logic of a 10 year old, and if you are 10 then go finish your homework!!!
Musicians post on their facebook pages to keep the fans up-to-date on whats going on with them. I'm a fan, I checked their page, I'm updated. Its a common practice that seems to work for everyone but you.
in closing: I'd wouldn't go to a FREE Sixx:Am show with an open bar/
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I like everything on ChiDem except Scraped, which has some good moments but is just all over the place. Catcher is probably the most intruiging for me
Catcher is a massive song!!
I think Scraped has a great riff and awesome energy - I just wish Axl hadn't autotuned the vocals on that one.
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Write posts that have some substance to them and proper wouldn't respond with smartass comments.
You don't like DJ, because of very substantial reasons. You don't trust Axl's musician choosing skills.
I am emailing DJ's webmaster as we speak. Ditch all Ashba related material you are selling, guitar players are not allowed to make money outside of actual concerts and album sales. Your talent and skill level as a musician is related to the merchandise content of your webpage, Facebook and MySpace. Your professional music ability equates to only having solos posted on your Facebook page. And make sure u only post solos that 16 year old scooter from Idaho. annotations play.
Edit that and let me know what you think.
You should also email or call Axl and let him know that he isn't picking the right people for the band.
#1: I write very detailed and substantial posts.
#2: In regards to DJ. I never said I hated him, or disliked him. He's been with GNR for too little of a time to know whether he has the songwriting chops or technical skills to be a valuable member of GNR when it comes to NEW material. So YES, I'm skeptical. I've made it clear on several posts on here that outside of COVERING Slash and Finck solos there is really no proof he is all that great. His solo numbers on this tour are pleasing to the ear but only adequate - same as his Slash/Finck parts.
I've asked for proof from members on this forum that shows he is a great guitar player. No one here has presented me with anything, so I went to his website to investigate further. I found nothing but "Ashba Swag", dolls, and apps, and a few YouTube videos where he's playing..
1) National Anthem (We've already discussed why this is far from a show of talent), and...
2) Sixx:Am songs (those songs are simple numetal/classic rock hybrid riffs that i've seen come out of many local bar bands you wouldn't pay $3 to see.
I love GNR and think they are above all bands in most every genre. Axl has an eye for talent, that's for sure, and I guess you're telling me I should trust him and just wait and see what happens, but SORRY I am a hardcore fan that has investigated all members/collaborators that have been added since 1998. ALL of them have back catalogs of work that show their talent that make me curious and excited about how they will add to Axl's vision. DJ is the one member that has been added that has not impressed me.
Yes, DJ does an adequate job of covering parts, but if I wanted to listen to just adequate rock I wouldn't listen to GNR.
I've met DJ. I saw him with Beautiful Creatures. He's a fine showman but at the end of the day I want great rock music from Axl and co. and don't care about tattoos, cigarettes in mouths, and hands behind ears to get drunk crowds riled up.
Agree 10000% on everything you said. Im sure DJ is a nice guy, but he is too fake for me, tries too hard to be a "rocker", and its all just too easy to see through. The Hulk Hogan hand behind the ear is a gimmick that Axl doesn't need. The hat, the cigs, the tatts....thats fine, free country, but....it just doesn't work. Add the fact that he is OK on the guitar, definitely nothing to watch for more than 20 seconds.
I went to shows in 2002 and 2006 in the NY and CT area. I could not bring myself to go see this version of GNR. Im sure the shows were great and all, but they are great b/c of Axl.
I just can't believe people actually react when he puts his hand behind his ears, LOL, so embarrassing for him. AND, WTF is he doing to the intro to JUNGLE???? Just play the "B" notes with delay until Axl screams. PLEASE STOP THAT DISGUSTING BEND YOU DO ABOUT THE 3RD TIME IN, IT SOUNDS HORRIBLE!!!
I never thought Id miss Robin. I cannot believe Im typing that statement, but Assba makes me long for Robin's mistakes and flubs.
im on board with you!!!!!!!!!!!! That bend is ATROCIOUS!!!!!!!!! its just so so bad. If that's him putting his own spin on things then NO THANK YOU!!! DJ -- just play it exactly how the album goes or how Finck played it before you.
...as time goes on the more i miss Finck. I think I miss Buckethead more than Finck at this point which is something i thought i'd never say since I am such a Bucket fan. But Bumble does a fine job doing the more technical Bucket parts and he had decent chemisty with Finck in 2006 so I'm okay with him. Its starting to seem that Finck is harder to replace than anyone else.
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Write posts that have some substance to them and proper wouldn't respond with smartass comments.
You don't like DJ, because of very substantial reasons. You don't trust Axl's musician choosing skills.
I am emailing DJ's webmaster as we speak. Ditch all Ashba related material you are selling, guitar players are not allowed to make money outside of actual concerts and album sales. Your talent and skill level as a musician is related to the merchandise content of your webpage, Facebook and MySpace. Your professional music ability equates to only having solos posted on your Facebook page. And make sure u only post solos that 16 year old scooter from Idaho. annotations play.
Edit that and let me know what you think.
You should also email or call Axl and let him know that he isn't picking the right people for the band.
#1: I write very detailed and substantial posts.
#2: In regards to DJ. I never said I hated him, or disliked him. He's been with GNR for too little of a time to know whether he has the songwriting chops or technical skills to be a valuable member of GNR when it comes to NEW material. So YES, I'm skeptical. I've made it clear on several posts on here that outside of COVERING Slash and Finck solos there is really no proof he is all that great. His solo numbers on this tour are pleasing to the ear but only adequate - same as his Slash/Finck parts.
I've asked for proof from members on this forum that shows he is a great guitar player. No one here has presented me with anything, so I went to his website to investigate further. I found nothing but "Ashba Swag", dolls, and apps, and a few YouTube videos where he's playing..
1) National Anthem (We've already discussed why this is far from a show of talent), and...
2) Sixx:Am songs (those songs are simple numetal/classic rock hybrid riffs that i've seen come out of many local bar bands you wouldn't pay $3 to see.
I love GNR and think they are above all bands in most every genre. Axl has an eye for talent, that's for sure, and I guess you're telling me I should trust him and just wait and see what happens, but SORRY I am a hardcore fan that has investigated all members/collaborators that have been added since 1998. ALL of them have back catalogs of work that show their talent that make me curious and excited about how they will add to Axl's vision. DJ is the one member that has been added that has not impressed me.
Yes, DJ does an adequate job of covering parts, but if I wanted to listen to just adequate rock I wouldn't listen to GNR.
I've met DJ. I saw him with Beautiful Creatures. He's a fine showman but at the end of the day I want great rock music from Axl and co. and don't care about tattoos, cigarettes in mouths, and hands behind ears to get drunk crowds riled up.
EDIT: I hope the new music he creates with the band is amazing and kicks ass, but we won't hear it for another 5-6 years so I think we all have more than enough time to speculate and discuss all possible outcomes.
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I hope 2012 is a busy year for the band and there's not a long period of silence like after the 01/02 shows and the 06/07 shows. I think right now the band has never been tighter and I hope they capitalise on that be it for an album release or yet more shows.
everyone is being OVERLY optimistic about an album release. I think we'd be lucky to get one more GNR tour in the next 3 years, let alone a new album release. I bet we'll MAYBE see another album in 5-6 years...and thats a big MAYBE!! That's my honest estimation.
Of course I hope I'm wrong and we get a new album next year.
I hope VR doesn't come back and become successful. It seems that when VR were making big waves on the charts and on VH1 and MTV, it put Axl back in hiding. As long as we don't have VR directly competing with GNR things might progress.
Think about it. GNR started having foreign tour dates again 1-2 years after Contraband was a smash hit and was over. Libertad was a big failure and then VR disbanded...and then the next year Chinese Democracy is released. A Coincidence???? maybe...maybe not.
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i doubt that label execs were in there monitoring the mixing stage of the album which is probably when the alledged "change in vision/sound" more than likely took place. The mixing stage is where you can make something sound country or metal based on the decisions that are made. (edit: and god only knows how many "final" mixes were produced from 1999 to 2007)
...if that had been the case i doubt we would have seen the album at all. I don't think Axl would have anything to do with label execs having creative input on any level. but no one really knows what went down. Most of what went on during the production of ChiDem is still myth and hearsay for the most part.
You trying to tell me the likes of Iovine (whose name has been openly thrown about) didn’t come in and attempt to dictate and impose the will of the label on GN’R?
The alteration was a result of multiple label rejections to the product handed in for release.
of course they TRIED to dictate whatever they could to try and get Axl to finish and release something that the mass populus would enjoy to turn a profit instead of continually digging a financial hole! But its a 2 way street. If they push too hard Axl gets pissed and doesn't do anything. Chinese Democracy is still not a "pop" & "easy to digest" album. It is VERY experimental compared to what was on the charts in 2007-2008. So i think the label gave up. Axl was at a comfortable enough place with the album in 2007 that it was released. Sure he's said things alluding to the fact that it was "NOT READY" but lets face it....had the label not pushed we would have never seen the thing.
In the latter years of its production the label stopped pushing for stylistic changes because they realized Axl wanted it his way or no way at all in terms of all creative aspects of the album -- and the label started focusing their energy on getting him to just release something regardless of its accessibility in the current market.
EDIT: the rejections were the labels way of pressuring Axl to make something poppier. that did not work. a pretty passive-aggressive way to go about it which is even more reason for me to believe that no label execs were actually in the studio aiding in creative decisions.
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So somewhere between 2001 and 2008 Axl's vision of what the album should sound like changed from experimental to more traditional
I don’t believe Axl himself had an alteration in vision; I think it was more of the hardball of the label regarding supporting industrial GN’R that made dilution of the album happen.
i doubt that label execs were in there monitoring the mixing stage of the album which is probably when the alledged "change in vision/sound" more than likely took place. The mixing stage is where you can make something sound country or metal based on the decisions that are made. (edit: and god only knows how many "final" mixes were produced from 1999 to 2007)
...if that had been the case i doubt we would have seen the album at all. I don't think Axl would have anything to do with label execs having creative input on any level. but no one really knows what went down. Most of what went on during the production of ChiDem is still myth and hearsay for the most part.
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Be sure to check out DJ Ashbas site where there are dozens of pages where you can buy dolls, bandanas, and panties, but none that actually have music posted to show whether or not he can play guitar!!!! fail.
you can buy his albums and even Chinese Democracy on his website
All I know about Ashba is that you can buy panties on his site, he has an Iphone app, he's a nice guy, and he can do a standard rock version of the national anthem, something I was doing when I was 16.
Yet the mighty Axl Rose decided to pick DJ over you. Weird.
You apparently missed the point of my post. the national anthem is something that 99% of new guitarists learn. Its hardly a sign of incredible skill. If you don't understand the points people are making then please don't write smartass responses to them. thanks.
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Pitman could do a 20 minute keyboard solo after TWAT and Catcher that segued into Prositutute. Then do Paradise City.
Pitman should do a two hour solo of falling off his wobbly keyboard thing with the background vocals of Catcher where it kinda goes (WAAAHWAAAHOOOOOH) constantly looping.
this one of my favorites on the album, both this and Prostitute remind me of Estranged. Such cool and epic songs that I hope we get to hear live at some point!!!
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I see 2011 as the year that Axl had tied up a few loose ends, like getting over his touring obligations, Having Beta as the manager and other things that we aren't even aware of to make way for a busy 2012. Can't wait :xmasssanta:
i really hope you're right, but you can only try and predict the future based on the trends and events of the past.
remember "ROUND ONE!" ???
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One thing that I always hate in GnR show reviews
in 2011
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I agree with what you said about velvet's first cd and it being more of a stretch from "that one solo Slash always does", but its also funny that I cited the solo from "Slither" to explain what I was talking about in regards to that "one solo". ha ha ;-)
Funny thing about Bumble - the only reason he is there is to play Bucket's parts. Any other guitar player that would be able to pull off Bucket's solos already has a well known career as a solo viruoso guitarist probably (Yngwie, Vai etc.) or is getting paid a shit ton of $$$ for doing session work. Its a rarity to find guys with that skillset that don't want to completely branch out solo. Bumblefoot was quite the find, because Bucket already had a reputation as a solo artist, but Bumble not so much yet he has that level of skill needed to play those intensely difficult parts.