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He really does have a lot of feel. I can see why Axl wanted him
never really liked NIN but i appreciated it for what it was.
GNR let Robin shine in a whole different like.
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I liked how as soon as he finished singing, he called for the guitar straight away, he was trying everything that night, these days he plays it a bit more safe unfortunately.
I think im gonna spend my Xmas getting drunk and watching this show again. It never gets old.
I think he's still taking risks by throwing those AC/DC covers in the mix as well as Civil War and Estranged. Hell, performing difficult songs like Shackler's and This I Love every night shows he's taking risks on this tour.
Wish he'd take a risk and do something like play Chinese in its entirety and throw in Oh My God.... That'd be amazing.
you have a good point, UNFORTUNATELY hes singing was 100x better last year, however generally as a whole, this years setlist has been far far superior.
Just listen to the 02 show or even the Sydney show from last year, he really was on top form, but I am enjoying the cleaner voice he uses in some songs as of late.
If I had the choice, Id take a show with shacklers/civil war/estranged with his voice now then that of a lesser setlist with better vocals but
same here -- id take this tour's setlist over last years vocals.
O2 was fucking incredible. He sounded like 86 on Nice Boys and You Could Be Mine with Duff. I think having ex-Gunners join him onstage puts pressure on Axl, and it makes him push harder as a vocalist because he's trying to prove that he doesn't need those old members anymore. At the show I saw in Seattle last Friday when LOADED opened it seemed like he was pushing harder vocally than other shows on this tour. See the This I Love video from Seattle, one of his best and most powerful moments this tour, and I think it was because Duff was observing. Maybe i'm wrong just my hypothesis.
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Does anybody else think that 2012 will be the year of New GNR? There's something about the end of the world that I think will bring out the best in Axl.
"If the world would end today And all the dreams we had Would all just drift away..."
My dream is to have a copy of Chinese Democracy 2 & 3, so I guess if the world ends that dream will drift away. aka= we're fucked!
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I liked how as soon as he finished singing, he called for the guitar straight away, he was trying everything that night, these days he plays it a bit more safe unfortunately.
I think im gonna spend my Xmas getting drunk and watching this show again. It never gets old.
I think he's still taking risks by throwing those AC/DC covers in the mix as well as Civil War and Estranged. Hell, performing difficult songs like Shackler's and This I Love every night shows he's taking risks on this tour.
Wish he'd take a risk and do something like play Chinese in its entirety and throw in Oh My God.... That'd be amazing.
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Rio 2001 is one of my all time favourite gnr shows from the past 11/(nearly 12 years)
Axl was going all out that night, loved the blues/oh my god/madagascar , fucking awesome
Axls even on the guitar for a bit
doing the axl dance with a Paul Reed Smith.. classic!!
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well don't let the door hit you on the way out
what do you mean? im gonna get banned for disliking most of Slash's singer choices for legitimate reasons? I'm not just trolling or flaming insults. I have very precise and thought out reasons for my opinions (positive or negative) on GNR members both past and present.
is it not true Myles was goofy in rock star, he shaves his pits, and he does cliche "power stances" when he performs?
EDIT: Okay maybe I gave Weiland a little too much shit, because that first album and tour kicked ass, thin vocals or not.
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Be sure to check out DJ Ashbas site where there are dozens of pages where you can buy dolls, bandanas, and panties, but none that actually have music posted to show whether or not he can play guitar!!!! fail.
you can buy his albums and even Chinese Democracy on his website
so...
there is no actual music posted. Sixx:Am and Beautiful Creatures music sucks and requires minimal guitar knowledge to play. He wasn't even on Chinese Democracy. I want to see proof the guy has chops as a guitarist and/or a songwriter. Everyone is going off about how he is such a great fit but not one person has provided proof that he is worthy of being in GNR. Yeah, maybe some shitty LA bar band or a band featuring ex-Motley Crue members would be a great fit for him, but we're talking about GNR here. If you step in the footprints of Buckethead and Slash you better be willing to bring some serious riffage and skill!!!!
All I know about Ashba is that you can buy panties on his site, he has an Iphone app, he's a nice guy, and he can do a standard rock version of the national anthem, something I was doing when I was 16.
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Be sure to check out DJ Ashbas site where there are dozens of pages where you can buy dolls, bandanas, and panties, but none that actually have music posted to show whether or not he can play guitar!!!! fail.
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Much more like Hinder than GNR. I'm one of the few Hinder fans around here, so for me that's not a bad thing, but you may get flamed. I dug it. The video's really well done, if not the most creative, but definitely liked the tune.
pretty cool video man. has kind of a Don't Cry vibe to it. I like the pounding on the table to the beat.
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Hey guys. If you get a sec you should check out my new song "Under Your Sun"...
"Under Your Sun" - new song
let me know what you think. cheers!!!
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Myles is hugely talented, and I like his version of Guns songs (although I'll always prefer Axl).
Sounds great.
imo Slash can't really pick singers worth a damn.
From what I know of GNR history/lore it was Steven, not Slash, who was insistent about being involved with Axl musically.
Scott Weiland, by the time VR came along, was so weak vocally that the only reason they even thought for a second he was a good choice was to try and recreate "the most dangerous band in the world image" and for his celebrity status. I do like Contraband and enjoyed the live show but you can't deny his voice was, and still is, very weak compared to when he first hit the scene.
Rod Jackson, from the 2nd Snakepit album, was generic as hell and sounded black. I'm not racist but I don't think the typical "black sounding" voice works well in hard rock, especially with Slash music. I did think that 2nd Snakepit album was some of Slash's best guitar work since UYI though.
I really liked Eric Dover on the 1st Snakepit album, but that was in 1994. He hasn't worked with a good singer since!!!!
Slash's recent solo disc quickly went in the trash. Sadly Fergie's song was the only one that was listenable. Most of the singers on that album were atrocious, and the ones that weren't atrocious had shitty material to work with from the start. Musically that album is shit as are most of the vocals on it. Christ, I don't really like Santana but that Supernatural album blows Slash's solo disc out of the water. I'm comparing the 2 because Slash was obviously trying to do a hard rock version of what Santana did with Supernatural. Buckethead has a disc called "Enter The Chicken" where he tries the same concept and its one of his best albums, and all of those singers are basically no-names with the exception of Serj from SOAD.
Myles is a joke. He was a goofball in "Rockstar", his voice is generic and grating, He shaves his armpits, He reminds me of Sebastian Bach with his stupid "power rock" stances and "clap alongs" during concerts. He's a joke and I find it appalling that Slash is taking the work they do together so seriously!! Just a few days ago on his Facebook page both Slash and Myles were going off about how great their studio sessions are going!! gag me. This guy is abysmal in every way...Slash's worst pick to date.
Besides Axl, Slash really has a shitty ear for singers he decides to work with.
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Axl was playing a lot of lead guitar and
experimenting with sounds, and was a damn
creative player. Occasionally he would pipe in 'you
hear that Lusk guitar there?!!' - Pittman
Axl's lead guitar - did any of it make it onto CD ?
If Axl can play guitar, wht dosn't he live ?
like he said during the chats. "skills"
Didn't duff say in his book that Axl was more skilled than izzy after learning guitar for a year in the early 90s, I think Axl is just being modist.
This. Axl could play that pants of Izzy, and if he had the time or energy or desire to practice, I'm sure he could give Slash a run for his money too. But singing and songwriting is a full time job. Not to mention having to run/manage the entire band. Axl allowing Izzy to join with him was a supreme act of modesty. Axl could have done everything Izzy did himself if he really wanted/needed to.
uhhhh..... no
Axl was playing a lot of lead guitar and
experimenting with sounds, and was a damn
creative player. Occasionally he would pipe in 'you
hear that Lusk guitar there?!!' - Pittman
Axl's lead guitar - did any of it make it onto CD ?
If Axl can play guitar, wht dosn't he live ?
like he said during the chats. "skills"
Didn't duff say in his book that Axl was more skilled than izzy after learning guitar for a year in the early 90s, I think Axl is just being modist.
This. Axl could play that pants of Izzy, and if he had the time or energy or desire to practice, I'm sure he could give Slash a run for his money too..
You sir, are a FUCKING IDIOT.
I kinda have to agree.
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Oh my god is a beast!! I also hated it in the beginning though.
I firmly thinik, however, that Axl's voice back in those days was terrible and I'm not sure that anyone can disagree about that.
I would love to hear him do the song these days.
On the Ashba topic: I loved it when Bucket and Finck quit, because they just looked so ugly. Bucket is very good at least, but Finck was so sloppy on the old GNR songs and I was always annoyed by that.
Ashba is a great, media friendly complement to Axl, who is not very media friendly. Don't forget that Slash was very media friendly and people still seem to love him.
who gives a fuck about how they look and who is more media friendly? lame.
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I mean think about those "new" songs in 2001. they all had that electronic industrial flare at that time.
Chinese Democracy
Rhiad
Silkworms
Oh My God
Madagascar
Chinese Democracy in 2008 had more "rock" versions of some of the above songs, but those early 2001 live performances were VERY influenced by electronics, noise-rock, loops, & synths. So somewhere between 2001 and 2008 Axl's vision of what the album should sound like changed from experimental to more traditional - and that had nothing to do with Bucket's influence imo
I think he brought a whole new sound to the album. I can't think of Mascara without Buckethead's subliminal guitar playing during the quotes section. Axl was there every step of the way though. It was like it was all filtered through him.
Im gonna try to filter my water through Axl. see what happens.
has anyone listened to ChiDem stoned??? I've yet to have the pleasure.
Probably should have when it came out in 2008. Nowadays I can't.
Why not? Probation and piss tests?
Pretty much.
whatd you do?
Settled down, got married, have a kid, got a job. I was never caught but one night I changed my mind, stayed home instead of going to the party and lets just say someone died and now one of my friends is in prison.
never got caught doing what?
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In response to the original post:::
Yeah that sounds like a great idea so Axl can get into more legal issues which will halt the release of any new music for another 20 years!!!!
:thumbsdown:i'd like to be able to go to at least one more GNR show with a respectable hairline!!
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I mean think about those "new" songs in 2001. they all had that electronic industrial flare at that time.
Chinese Democracy
Rhiad
Silkworms
Oh My God
Madagascar
Chinese Democracy in 2008 had more "rock" versions of some of the above songs, but those early 2001 live performances were VERY influenced by electronics, noise-rock, loops, & synths. So somewhere between 2001 and 2008 Axl's vision of what the album should sound like changed from experimental to more traditional - and that had nothing to do with Bucket's influence imo
I think he brought a whole new sound to the album. I can't think of Mascara without Buckethead's subliminal guitar playing during the quotes section. Axl was there every step of the way though. It was like it was all filtered through him.
Im gonna try to filter my water through Axl. see what happens.
has anyone listened to ChiDem stoned??? I've yet to have the pleasure.
Probably should have when it came out in 2008. Nowadays I can't.
Why not? Probation and piss tests?
Pretty much.
whatd you do?
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I mean think about those "new" songs in 2001. they all had that electronic industrial flare at that time.
Chinese Democracy
Rhiad
Silkworms
Oh My God
Madagascar
Chinese Democracy in 2008 had more "rock" versions of some of the above songs, but those early 2001 live performances were VERY influenced by electronics, noise-rock, loops, & synths. So somewhere between 2001 and 2008 Axl's vision of what the album should sound like changed from experimental to more traditional - and that had nothing to do with Bucket's influence imo
I think he brought a whole new sound to the album. I can't think of Mascara without Buckethead's subliminal guitar playing during the quotes section. Axl was there every step of the way though. It was like it was all filtered through him.
Im gonna try to filter my water through Axl. see what happens.
has anyone listened to ChiDem stoned??? I've yet to have the pleasure.
Probably should have when it came out in 2008. Nowadays I can't.
Why not? Probation and piss tests?
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I think Axl will make DJ's musical ideas better. The man has a great ear for music. I think together they can make a very relevant but good, possibly great rock song.
Point me in the direction of something that shows Ashba's songwriting or technical chops?? I have yet to be convinced he is all that great.
Bumblefoot and Buckethead both had solo projects that spoke volumes. Richard Fortus and Finck have proven to be amazing talents within GNR ...... but where's the proof that Ashba is any good besides covering Slash and Finck's slower solos on this tour?
He's proficient at guitar, but like I said before, there are countless guitarists out there that can 'cover' Slash and Finck's slower solos (good point you made there). It's about something who can bring something new, a new character into a established band. Not something 'familiar' or cliched with his posturing and mannerisms which is rock and roll bedroom mirror pose 101.
I'm sorry but those solo pieces Ashba wrote are nothing special. They are listenable. But.. well this Finck solo I've linked below.. It's not technically perfect, but it just has so much feeling and emotion in it, and he bought that into songs like "This I Love". That's only the beginning. Axl has spoken of his work on things like "Soul Monster", and it is just going to be a crying shame to never hear any of that.
Anyway.. Robin's solo..
That is amazing. I agree with everything you said about Robin. He's not a typical rock guitarist but thats why it worked. He brought something different...I hate speaking in philosophical bullshit terms but he truly did "bring something different"... I mean look at his November Rain solo. I LOVE that he didn't do it verbatim or even try to. He paid homages to Slash's riffs but for the most part he put his own flare into the old GNR songs like you said.
Even Fortus does this IMO- also Fortus is an incredible technical player that should be utilized more. He blew me away at the Seattle show and he's by far my fav current GNR guitarist.
All hail Finck!! i would have loved to see Finck play TIL live.. :-(
I WANT TO HEAR SOUL MONSTER AND THE GENERAL NOW!!!!
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I mean think about those "new" songs in 2001. they all had that electronic industrial flare at that time.
Chinese Democracy
Rhiad
Silkworms
Oh My God
Madagascar
Chinese Democracy in 2008 had more "rock" versions of some of the above songs, but those early 2001 live performances were VERY influenced by electronics, noise-rock, loops, & synths. So somewhere between 2001 and 2008 Axl's vision of what the album should sound like changed from experimental to more traditional - and that had nothing to do with Bucket's influence imo
I think he brought a whole new sound to the album. I can't think of Mascara without Buckethead's subliminal guitar playing during the quotes section. Axl was there every step of the way though. It was like it was all filtered through him.
Im gonna try to filter my water through Axl. see what happens.
has anyone listened to ChiDem stoned??? I've yet to have the pleasure.
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I mean think about those "new" songs in 2001. they all had that electronic industrial flare at that time.
Chinese Democracy
Rhiad
Silkworms
Oh My God
Madagascar
Chinese Democracy in 2008 had more "rock" versions of some of the above songs, but those early 2001 live performances were VERY influenced by electronics, noise-rock, loops, & synths. So somewhere between 2001 and 2008 Axl's vision of what the album should sound like changed from experimental to more traditional - and that had nothing to do with Bucket's influence imo
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Finck would have only done rythmn guitar on Sorry, IFW and Shackler's. Those songs had Buckethead all over them. I think a lot of Finck lead material got pushed aside in favor of Buckethead's.
I bet a lot of the Finck stuff was meant to be on Chinese 2 and 3 because, yes, as you said Buckethead has his stamp all over Chinese 1 which I love. Shackler's and Sorry sounded like Buckethead instrumentals from his solo career that Axl just sang over.
I also know what BirdCatcher means about Chinese Democracy. That early House of blues Vegas and RiR version from 2001 had a lot of the same vibe as Oh My God, Dark Synths, and Electronic sounds which were gone by the time the album came out and now gone from the live performances of it. Thats why i think had Chinese come out around 2002-2003 it would have sounded very different from the one we got in 2008.
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^^^ DJ is in this band. They aren't mindblowingly amazing but its decent, especially the acoustic part in the intro (as far as I know DJ wasn't the only songwriter for this group anyway). I bet DJ will write some cool stuff Axl and the rest of the band for the new record
yeah. i posted a page back about when i met him at a beautiful creatures show when i was in high school... i had a humorous incident with the man.
PS: in response to that intro acoustic part....I've written better guitar parts with my dick. :-)
PS2: doesn't it sound like something that would have been on the "Rock Star" soundtrack? ha
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I think Axl will make DJ's musical ideas better. The man has a great ear for music. I think together they can make a very relevant but good, possibly great rock song.
Point me in the direction of something that shows Ashba's songwriting or technical chops?? I have yet to be convinced he is all that great.
Bumblefoot and Buckethead both had solo projects that spoke volumes. Richard Fortus and Finck have proven to be amazing talents within GNR ...... but where's the proof that Ashba is any good besides covering Slash and Finck's slower solos on this tour?
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Danker, go back and read my post again. I was agreeing with you
BirdCatcher, cry me a fucking river. We're talking about a rock band on this site, none of this is personal and definitely shouldn't be taken that way... if you're offended by anything I say about Guns N' Roses on the internet you can blame your own thin skin.
All I have to say is respect other people's opinions instead of being a dick about it. Maybe you should take a little look at the forum rules in the FAQ, I know I am not a mod, but I am getting tired of seeing your disrespectful posts. Not liking a person is one thing but to wish death on them is pretty fucked up.
uh when did i ever wish death on anybody
back on topic :-)
So which performance was better RiR 2001 or RiR 2011..
I vote 2001
I would take the LA Forum show a few days ago over both of them
I agree...the new band is a powerhouse now, but they've had the time to become as good as they are ---- a luxury the 2001 lineup didn't really have because of cancelled tours, sporadic dates etc... but it was still amazing and charming to see all the amazingly talented 2001 members just go pedal to the metal for better or for worse at that Rio show.
The band in 2001 had years to prepare for such a huge show. I think Rio was their second ever show with Vegas being the first. I think their first show had around 1,000 people and Rio had over 200,000. You'd think they'd sound terrible but they were amazing.
The 2001 lineup only had 2 years to learn all of the catalog, rerecord Appetite, and then practice as a live unit, and then play their first shows. They were hardly just preparing for that one show. They were into many many tasks during that time
...the core of the current lineup, excluding Ashba's inclusion, has had over 5 years (more than twice the amount of time as the 2001 lineup) to become the strong band they are in 2011!!
Yes, the 2001 lineup was amazing at those early 2001 shows but you could obviously tell they were still working out kinks and learning how to play live together, especially at RiR. What I was saying is had the 2001 lineup stayed together and had 5-6 years as well we'd see them become just as amazing if not better than the current lineup, because they were pretty damn close even at RiR which was only their 2nd show EVER!!!
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Best guitar solo on Chinese Democracy
in 2010
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I personally like Finck's solo in "Better" right before the "Nah Nah Nah Nah"s come in the best. I love the verse chords and it was a cool change-up when he starts soloing over them.