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Sucks is too strong of a word. Sucks? No. Boring? Absolutely.

Yeah, you're right. It doesn't exactly suck. But it does suck having had to wait 15 years for an album that's just ok.

No, it's crap. Stop being such an Axl fan. It SUCKS.

I simply cannot understand why such a wonderful masterpiece doesn't get enough airplay

I'm here 'cause I love the old band and the albums they made. And I just wanted to talk to people who share my love for the old GnR

I think it is indeed a very bleak situation. As I said before, normal bands with normal members release new material every 2.5 or 3 years. With Axl, we might as well close these forums and come back in 2020 to talk about the new album

I'm also a Megadeth forums member and I regularly post in the Iron Maiden forums as well. And I gotta tell you, GnR is the laughing stock over there

I'd rather see Axl tour with this band as a solo project. Who in his right mind truly believes this band is better than the old lineup?

People who prefer songs from CD rather than songs from AFD and UYI? It is just a matter of taste, don't slam people for their musical preferences.

Are you telling me there are fans who prefer CD over AFD and UYI? Now I know you're pulling my leg. Name one song on CD that surpasses anything on AFD or UYI or show me one of those fans.

My biggest problem with this band, the new lineup I mean, is that it hasn't made anything truly memorable that makes us get over the fact that the old lineup is no longer there.

When Iron Maiden fired Paul Dianno right after Killers, everybody thought it was a huge mistake. They had fired their frontman, the voice of the band. I'm sure people complained and said they'd fail after that. But what'd they do? They got someone better and made awesome albums, truly memorable songs, epic songs and epic albums. Did anybody remember Paul Dianno by the time Maiden released Powerslave? NO.

This band, the new Guns, has made ONE ALBUM IN 15 YEARS. I'll say it again, 1 album in 15 years. And the songs are just ok, just ok. Nothing to write home about. So of course most of us have been unable to truly connect with this new lineup. where are the truly memorable songs? Where are the truly catchy tunes, the choruses, the epic solos? Nowhere to be found.

At the end of the day, and even if we don't talk about Slash or Duff or Izzy, it all comes down to THE MUSIC. And GnR is no longer making memorable music. If CD were the masterpiece some of you seem to believe it is, GnR would be right back where it was in 1992. But it's not.

Nobody cares about CD, besides fans in these forums, which is sad, because back when the UYI albums came out, EVERYONE knew who GnR was. Yeah, the band was THAT big and relevant.

So where is the new music? When will the new album come out? Does Axl still have it? 15 years and all he could come up with was CD? Please don't make me laugh.

Fans will stop missing the old lineup, when this new band makes something really impressive, and when they can finally stop living off the old catalogue. IMO.

I think we can all agree, to a certain degree, that none of us is 100% satisfied with what GnR has become. If we were given the chance to choose between the new GnR and the old lineup, I guess 99.9% of us would choose the latter. The fact that there are so many threads and posts in this forum regarding the new band and if it lives up to the legacy of the old band only means that none of us is really satisfied with GnR as it is today. If we were, we wouldn't even be talking about it. Do you even remember talking about being satisfied or unsatisfied with GnR back in 92 or 94? I'd be surprised if any of you did.

I was really unsatisfied. I missed Izzy and I hated the backup singers, Teddy and the piano songs.

Some of you ask if we'd rather Gnr did not tour at all, well I have to say yes. I'd rather think back and remember GnR as it was back in 92 and not have Axl tour with a bunch of hired guns, albeit great musicians, tarnishing the legacy of an once awesome band.

How exactly is your enjoyment of classic concerts and albums somehow diminished by the fact that Guns N' Roses still exists but hasn't done anything you feel is as great? I don't understand how anything you do can somehow travel back in time and ruin something that has happened before. When Slash decides to play with rap artists and shit his contributions to AFD isn't affected one iota. It just doesn't work that way. History is history.

I didn't like the backup singers either, and yes Gnr lost most of its driving force when Izzy left, but most of the original members were still there. The band you fell in love with was still there. And I still enjoy the old albums, in fact, it's the only Gnr material I listen to and fully enjoy. My point is, this new band has not made a truly significant album. It has not surpassed the old band. I'd rather see Axl tour with this band as a solo project. Who in his right mind truly believes this band is better than the old lineup? I'd find that very hard to believe. The old lineup was memorable. This lineup has made 1 album in 15 years. You need to make more music. when will there be a new GnR album? When?

But doesn't' the fact that there have been so many lineup changes, to the point where GnR is more like a revolving door than a band, mean that all the musicians playing in GnR now and before CD was released are nothing but hired guns, with no level or artistic input in the band? Or maybe that their input was so minimal that it didn't really make a difference in the sound? I find it hard to believe that CD was anything but an Axl solo album.

I think we can all agree, to a certain degree, that none of us is 100% satisfied with what GnR has become. If we were given the chance to choose between the new GnR and the old lineup, I guess 99.9% of us would choose the latter. The fact that there are so many threads and posts in this forum regarding the new band and if it lives up to the legacy of the old band only means that none of us is really satisfied with GnR as it is today. If we were, we wouldn't even be talking about it. Do you even remember talking about being satisfied or unsatisfied with GnR back in 92 or 94? I'd be surprised if any of you did.

GnR was such a huge band in its heyday that it is almost impossible to make fans forget the original members. They've become larger than life. The old GnR has become one of the most iconic bands in rock history. How can you even think about putting together a band that can come close to what the other guys did? You just can't win. So, as I said in another post, I believe Axl should not have used the name GnR. It'd have been a better move for him. And the legacy wouldn't have been tarnished.

Now, I do think that GnR has become a nostalgia act. I'm willing to be that most of the fans that pay to see GnR nowadays do so because of the old material, NOT because of CD. Granted, it must be cool listening to Better played live, but if CD were the only album GnR ever made, I wonder how many people would pay to see the current band. How would you feel if they didn't play any of the old songs. The fact that the current setlist is mostly based on old material goes to show that, to a certain degree, GnR is a nostalgia band. I know, I know. There are more old songs than new ones, but Axl could've released 4 or 5 albums in 15 years, if he'd wanted to. Most bands release new albums every 2.5 years or every 3 years.

It's hard to be satisfied as a GnR fan, very hard. Some of you ask if we'd rather Gnr did not tour at all, well I have to say yes. I'd rather think back and remember GnR as it was back in 92 and not have Axl tour with a bunch of hired guns, albeit great musicians, tarnishing the legacy of an once awesome band.

I don't think it'd sell. Think about it. GnR is not relevant anymore. Maybe if it'd been released 15 years ago, then maybe it'd have been financially rewarding. This is not 1992 anymore, when GnR was the biggest band on the planet. Of course, die hard fans would buy it and not even think about it. Hell, I'd buy it if it focused on the old lineup and the Box Set came with bootlegs from the AFD tour and unreleased material from their heyday. But a Box Set that focuses on the new incarnation of GnR would not sell as much as you'd expect. I've always thought people bought CD out of sheer curiosity and sure it's grown on them (some songs have grown on me over the years, but only because I like Axl's voice), but it's not like CD put GnR back where it was in 1992. So even though a biography penned by Axl would be a very interesting read, I don't think a significant number of fans care about remixes and or behind the scenes footage of this current lineup. IMO.

you might not think GNR is relevant but axl sure does think GNR's relevant

I'm sure he does, but he's not gonna buy thousands of copies of the box set himself, now is he?

Do you think Axl should have released Chinese Democracy as a solo album? I don't know, but I can't help but think that if he had, then most fans out there wouldn't compare it to his previous efforts, you know, to AFD and UYI. CD may not be my favorite album ever, but I do like a couple of songs here and there. I think by releasing it as a GnR album, since he owns the legal rights to the name, he set the bar way too high and the fact that it took him 15 years to release it certainly didn't help. The hype was just too much to live up to. Think about it, it was like Chinese Democracy: NEW GUNS N ROSES ALBUM ! After such a LONG TIME. So of course, upon hearing the actual songs, most fans were like Huh? What happened here? Had it been released as a solo album, then maybe, just maybe, people would see it in a different light. Just asking...

I don't think it'd sell. Think about it. GnR is not relevant anymore. Maybe if it'd been released 15 years ago, then maybe it'd have been financially rewarding. This is not 1992 anymore, when GnR was the biggest band on the planet. Of course, die hard fans would buy it and not even think about it. Hell, I'd buy it if it focused on the old lineup and the Box Set came with bootlegs from the AFD tour and unreleased material from their heyday. But a Box Set that focuses on the new incarnation of GnR would not sell as much as you'd expect. I've always thought people bought CD out of sheer curiosity and sure it's grown on them (some songs have grown on me over the years, but only because I like Axl's voice), but it's not like CD put GnR back where it was in 1992. So even though a biography penned by Axl would be a very interesting read, I don't think a significant number of fans care about remixes and or behind the scenes footage of this current lineup. IMO.

If I were Slash or Duff, I'd be sick and tired of being asked about GnR and Axl in every interview. I'm sure they know they're gonna get asked about a reunion over and over and over again and I'm sure they've all tried to be polite and they've patiently talked about GnR whenever someone brings it up. But do you think they're just sick and tired of talking about their past and fed up with people asking them about a reunion and about Axl and about who wrote what song on AFD and who played what on UYI and who said what and all those questions I'm sure keep coming up all the time?

I'm sure they've all wanted to move on and they have, but people just won't let them leave their past 100% behind.

Any thoughts on this?

My 2 cents. GnR started dying the moment Steven was kicked out and Izzy left. And the band died for good after Matt, Slash and Duff were no longer involved with GnR. I understand that Axl owns the rights to the name of the band and he can hire whomever he wants to to play in his band, because make no mistake about it, nowadays GnR is just an Axl Rose band. But I wish he wouldn't use the name GnR and called his band something else.

I know the current musicians in GnR are great performers and know the songs by heart. But I couldn't care less about them. GnR came to my country and I decided not to go to the gig, 'cause I wasn't going to pay to see Axl Rose and a bunch of hired guns playing the songs I love.

I'm sorry.

I'm not satisfied at all with what GnR has become. I'll take VR over the current GnR any day of the week.

I just can't get into it. I bought it on the day it came out, not because I was that excited, 'cause I found it hard to stay excited for more than 10 years, but because I'm a fan of the band and just wanted to see what Axl had come up with and what Guns would sound like without Slash, Duff and Matt.

I do like a couple of songs, but I think of it as an Axl Rose solo album.

It's not my cup of tea. The way I see it, UYI was the last album with original material that GnR ever made.

99% of my friends listen to metal and rock. And they all think CD is hands down the worst album GnR ever made. A couple of decent songs here and there, but nothing to write home about. They feel it wasn't worth waiting for such a long time for such a crappy album.

Do you guys think Axl shouldn't have added the horn section to the band for the UYI tour? I don't know. I'd have rather seen the band perform with the usual 5 musicians instead of also having backup singers playing the trumpet and dancing. While I love GnR and UYI, I think it was not necessary and kinda stupid.

Any thoughts on this?

BTW, I abhor that part in the Live Era version of Move to the City when Axl introduces the band and they play a trumpet, horn and keyboard solo. It's always sounded to me like something you'd most likely find in a live album made by The Muppets.

The old lineup will never EVER get back together. It's time to move on, people. Read Slash's eponymous biography, read Duff's and Steven's book. It's all there, really. I mean, after reading Slash's and Duff's books, I became convinced that this reunion thing is never gonna happen. Slash, Duff and Axl have moved on, they have their own projects. It's not gonna happen. there's way too much bad blood between Axl and the rest of the original band. Move on.

Hi

I'm new here. Been a faithful fan since 1992. I've been lurking around these forums for quite some time now and I decided to join. Love it here.

Anyways, I have a question, which I'm sure has been posted before. But... why isn't Civil War on the Live Era CD?

Thanks