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I'm not sure when the picture was taken, so you don't need to worry...I guess.

New opening song would be a good sign.

Any sound checks reported or am i too early?

http://instagram.com/p/lyEL09sqiA/

Kiev snipers hired by Maidan leaders - leaked EU's Ashton phone tape

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEgJ0oo3OA8

The snipers who shot at protesters and police in Kiev were allegedly hired by Maidan leaders, according to a leaked phone conversation between the EU foreign affairs chief Catherine Ashton and Estonian foreign affairs minister, which has emerged online.

“There is now stronger and stronger understanding that behind the snipers, it was not Yanukovich, but it was somebody from the new coalition,” Urmas Paet said during the conversation.

“I think we do want to investigate. I mean, I didn’t pick that up, that’s interesting. Gosh,” Ashton answered.

The call took place after Estonia’s Foreign Minister Urmas Paet visited Kiev on February 25 at the peak of clashes between the pro-EU protesters and security forces in the Ukrainian capital.

Paet also recalled his conversation with a doctor who treated those shot by snipers in Kiev. She said that both protesters and police were shot at by the same people.

“And second, what was quite disturbing, this same Olga [bogomolets] told as well that all the evidence shows that the people who were killed by snipers from both sides, among policemen and then people from the streets, that they were the same snipers killing people from both sides,” the Estonian FM stressed.

Ashton reacted to the information by saying: “Well, yeah…that’s, that’s terrible.”

“So that she then also showed me some photos she said that as a medical doctor she can say that it is the same handwriting, the same type of bullets, and it’s really disturbing that now the new coalition, that they don’t want to investigate what exactly happened,” Paet said.

The Estonian FM has described the whole sniper issue as “disturbing” and added, “it already discredits from the very beginning” the new Ukrainian power.

His overall impressions of what he saw during his one-day trip to Kiev are “sad,” Paet said during the conversation.

He stressed that the Ukrainian people don’t trust the Maidan leaders, with all the opposition politicians slated to join the new government “having dirty past.”

The file was reportedly uploaded to the web by officers of Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) loyal to ousted President Viktor Yanukovich who hacked Paet’s and Ashton’s phones.

94 people were killed and another 900 injured during the standoff between police and protesters at Maidan Saquare in Kiev last month.

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http://rt.com/news/estonia-confirm-leaked-tape-970/'>Estonian Foreign Ministry confirms authenticity of leaked call on Kiev snipers

Not only that I believe, but I know from the facts. Do you want evidence?

Not really...I am fully aware of what happened in Serbia. And I rather not get into a debate with someone who is actually defending Milosevic. It's (almost) the equivalent of getting into a debate with someone defending Hitler.

If you really want to have that debate, I recommend starting a thread about it...this thread has plenty of worthy discussion on its own.

Obviously you are not. It can be easily concluded from the figures you mentioned. On the whole territory of the former Yugoslavia was not more than 140.000 dead including soldiers in the period from 1991 to 1999. Please stop twisting my words. I never defended Milosevic nor do I intend. But, comparing Milosevic to Hitler you showed your ignorance and malice again. You serve exaggerated, one-sided, a fictional propaganda stories.

No, because it can not be compared. The U.S. without the UN Security Council, commit aggression against sovereign state . Bombing has caused material damage of about one hundred billion dollars, over two thousand dead civilians, all with the use of Depleted uranium and cluster bombs on civilians, on civilian buildings, houses even on civilian train. Further military ultimatum led to the ethnic cleansing of more than 200.000 non-Albanians from the territory of the Autonomous Province of Kosovo and Metohija.

More than 200.000 dead and million of expelled? You must have mixed that up with the dropping of nuclear bombs on civilians in Hiroshima and Nagasaki...

Sure, if that's what you want to believe, to each his own.

Not only that I believe, but I know from the facts. Do you want evidence?

Milosevic invaded who?

First off, it's irrelevant. Crimea is not a country, the Ukraine is. It's the Ukraine's military that will have to protect Crimea against invasion....not just Crimea's people. Second, even if it were relevant, it should be handled internally by the Ukraine government. Russia has absolutely ZERO reasoning to invade a sovereign nation.

I like your way of thinking. But I feel a dose of hypocrisy. Why such a criterion has not been applied by the United States in the case of Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (Serbia)?

I was referring to his "rationale" for the ethnic cleansing he decided to do a few years back.

You are seriously comparing what Russia is doing to what the U.S. did for Serbia?

I wasn't aware of Ukraine killing over 200,000 Russians and displacing another million of them.

If anything, the U.S. should have acted sooner in Serbia.

No, because it can not be compared. The U.S. without the UN Security Council, commit aggression against sovereign state . Bombing has caused material damage of about one hundred billion dollars, over two thousand dead civilians, all with the use of Depleted uranium and cluster bombs on civilians, on civilian buildings, houses even on civilian train. Further military ultimatum led to the ethnic cleansing of more than 200.000 non-Albanians from the territory of the Autonomous Province of Kosovo and Metohija.

More than 200.000 dead and million of expelled? You must have mixed that up with the dropping of nuclear bombs on civilians in Hiroshima and Nagasaki...

@netcat This is fake

and yes people of all political views are free to express their opinion, protest and everything. i don't even understand why you ask me about it? i mean, on what basis you could possibly think otherwise?

They say the same for your media.
Representatives of the autonomous government of the Crimea are considering a blockade of Ukrainian television station that, as announced, stop the 'flow of lies'.

Milosevic invaded who?

@KasanovaKing As to, when Russia was attacked:

http://rt.com/news/yarosh-nationalist-address-umarov-380/

That's a threat....not an attack.

If the U.S. were to invade every country that held radical groups threatening the U.S., we would have invaded more than half the world by now....actually....probably all the world.

I wrote in the context of your post and the connections that you mentioned between 9/11 and invasions.

Well, the presence of U.S. troops is practically in every part of the world.

It's not just a threat:

Umarov, who commanded groups of militants in both Chechen wars and organized several large terror acts, is the most wanted terrorist in Russia. Umarov has claimed responsibility for several attacks on Russian civilians, including the 2010 Moscow Metro bombings and the 2011 Domodedovo International Airport bombing, which killed dozens of people and injured hundreds.

In March 2011, Umarov was put on the UN Security Council’s Al-Qaeda and Taliban Sanctions Committee list of individuals. The US government has also announced a $5 million reward for information leading to the terrorist leader’s capture.The self-proclaimed ‘Emir of the Caucasus Emirate’ routinely recorded video addresses, in which he incited terror attacks against Russian government forces and civilians. He last appeared alive in a video posted on the internet in summer 2013, calling to step up terrorist activities and thwart the 2014 Sochi Winter Olympics.

When was Russia attacked? When did Ukraine invade a country? (Iraq > Kuwait). When did the U.S. invade Iraq for territorial gain? And when did the U.S. state that the reason they were invading Iraq was to protect the English speaking people of Iraq?

Here we all discuss the information we have, right? I am not the only one. There are several parties in the conflict whose views should be taken into account.

Ok, but do people, especially in the east who wants closer ties with Russia have a right to express their opinions?

When I say neo-Nazi, I think of these people:

'Idea of one nation'.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26398112

@KasanovaKing As to, when Russia was attacked:

http://rt.com/news/yarosh-nationalist-address-umarov-380/

Ukraine nationalist leader calls on 'most wanted' terrorist Umarov 'to act against Russia'

...The statement points out that “many Ukrainians with arms in the hands” supported Chechen militants in their fight against Russians and “it is time to support Ukraine now.”

The message, signed “leader of Right Sector Dmitry Yarosh” then calls on Umarov “to activate his fight”and “take a unique chance to win” over Russia.

Yarosh, who is a self-proclaimed deputy secretary of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine, leads the far-right militant Right Sector group. He used to be a leader of radical nationalist group Trident, which became the core of the Right Sector....

The radical leader has been consistently anti-Russian in his statements, calling for the destruction and division of the “Moscow Empire” and openly supporting Chechen militants and Georgian aggression. Yarosh believes Russia is Ukraine’s “eternal foe” and has said that war between the two countries is“inevitable.”

Aside from his beliefs on Russia, the Right Sector leader believes Ukraine should be “careful” with its future EU membership, as the “bureaucratic monster of Brussels” is “doing everything to bring to naught the national identity” of EU member countries.

...Even the fact of Yarosh’s address, whose “hands are stained with blood” shows that the Ukraine’s extreme right“Maidan sponsors” and the forces supporting the instability in Caucasus come from a“single-center” of extremism, Totorkulov stressed.

“We strongly support the deployment of Russian troops to resolve the situation in Crimea as well as provide assistance to other Ukrainian regions, where the population rejects nationalism and asks [Russia] for help and protection.”

During the recent riots in Ukraine, Yarosh rejected any negotiations with the Ukrainian government, calling on his supporters to defy the truces and agreements of the government and the opposition.

The Right Sector has been referred to as the most active, the most radical and the best organized group in the Ukrainian unrest. Well-equipped masked rioters from Right Sector often used clubs, petrol bombs and firearms against the Ukrainian police. Some notorious members of the radical movement have continued to use rifles and pistols to intimidate local authorities, which they believe should be“afraid” of the people....

Umarov, who commanded groups of militants in both Chechen wars and organized several large terror acts, is the most wanted terrorist in Russia. Umarov has claimed responsibility for several attacks on Russian civilians, including the 2010 Moscow Metro bombings and the 2011 Domodedovo International Airport bombing, which killed dozens of people and injured hundreds.

In March 2011, Umarov was put on the UN Security Council’s Al-Qaeda and Taliban Sanctions Committee list of individuals. The US government has also announced a $5 million reward for information leading to the terrorist leader’s capture.

The self-proclaimed ‘Emir of the Caucasus Emirate’ routinely recorded video addresses, in which he incited terror attacks against Russian government forces and civilians. He last appeared alive in a video posted on the internet in summer 2013, calling to step up terrorist activities and thwart the 2014 Sochi Winter Olympics. Umarov’s long absence led rumors of his death to spread, but so far this has not been officially confirmed.

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It seems that many people are fleeing to Russia.

no they don't. people who put Russian flag on Crimea parliament turned out to be russian citizens.

many people want to have Russian as a second state language, they want to keep their cultural identity. but there are not too many people who want to live in Russia, maybe 5-10%. they are free to leave

I am talking about refugees.

What do you think about Russians in Ukraine? Do you think they should have the same rights as other citizens?

I ask you, because there is obviously large anti-Russian mood among Ukrainians especially among extremists who took part in violent demonstrations. Among them, there are neo-Nazis.

Obviously Ukraine is very divided, the eastern part of the country voted for Yanukovych who won president election.

I am not about to argue Yanukovych, it is up to Ukrainian people to decide. But, legally elected president was apparently violently overthrown. Why do you think that the eastern part of the country should comply with this?

Western hypocrisy knows no bounds.

John Kerry has appeared on the Sunday morning political show "Face the Nation," on CBS.

He said:

You just don't in the 21st century behave in 19th century fashion by invading another country on completely trumped up pre-text.

If I was living there I'd be doing my utmost to get out asap.

It seems that many people are fleeing to Russia.

president obama and the US is in a shitty situation. obama knows he cannot send troops in, but at the same time he has to say something, he cannot just go quiet and ignore the situation either.

But yet once again he opens his big mouth and draws a red line, that Putin knows is really pink.

And as another volatile situation raises into question the power of the security council to intervene when one country invades the sovereignty of another, the US, who was once that pillar of resolve, has been reduced to paper tiger status because of our failure to mean what we say.

Ukraine offered to give up existing, and not to accept produce or acquire any new nuclear weapons in return for being recognized by the western economic structure, and afforded the same protection of their sovereignty and peace as any other peaceful nation.

The US used to spearhead and be at the forefront of these protections, Bush 1 protected Kuwait from Saddam most recent,

Bosnia, Sudan, and many other places we would bring peaceful nations together to rally necessary actions.

Under Obama we have left the people of Syria, Libya, Egypt, to wonder what we stand for anymore.

We talk but we don't back anything up.

and in all likelihood today, the fine people of Ukraine are wondering the same thing.

Bush has protected Bosnia from whom?

Let me remind you, the Western powers intervened in Libya which is now in ruins and decades away from the standard of living that had during Gaddafi regime.

Axl Rose tours with all the wardrobe from previous years past so at any point he could bust out the raincoat or the kilt. Maybe gunsguy can elaborate on this. I think he's the one who first mentioned this fun fact.

Or with a jacket from Tokyo 1992 show. Interesting...

2010 Vienna

I almost made the Bucarest show in 2010 and almost made 2012 Belgrade show, but in the last minute "life gets in the way"

That show was at the EXIT festival in Novi Sad, my latest gig.

I was there, too, what did you think? I thought Axl was z bit weak but the crowd were great.

It was great. They played almost everything I wanted to hear from the repertoire that they had, six songs I heard live for the first time that night. Axl was very cheerful and I had the impression that he really enjoyed the performance and that he was very pleased with the crowd response. As for the vocals, obviously there was a big difference compared to the show I went in 2010. Although my friend with whom I was also in 2010 show doesn't think so. But, due to adrenaline I didn't care that much. They need better sound system btw.

Not so much related...Some Hungarian guy who was standing next to me and who asked me at one point to step right so that his friend can stand next to him caught the whistle. It was only a few inches from my hand. I still believe it was intended for me.

Apparently, he started show thread at CD.com http://www.chinesedemocracy.com/forum/index.php/topic,49212.msg1175352.html#msg1175352

And I read your post about Canadian girl you met at the Belgrade airport in other thread and I remember I saw a picture of Axl with a fan at the same airport who kinda looks like you.

So, that's you, right?

Hah, he wishes he was as handsome as me ! Nah, I wouldn't have bumped into him at airport, he probably left straight after show, I was in Belgrade for a day or two after EXIT.

I was pretty lucky, for some reason I was let into the festival grounds early that day. I didn't realise I wasn't supposed to be let through until I got to the stage and it was empty apart from Bumble hanging out with a couple of friends of Fortus!

Bumble didn't seem to think that Axl would like my sign...

I held it up halfway through the set (didn't want to keep holding up and bothering everyone else). Axl looked down, and when he went for his oxygen break during the song, his big Cockney security guy with "Land of Hope and Glory" tattooed on his forearms came up to me and asked if the sign was mine. I said yes, and he asked if he could have it. I handed it over, and Beta and Jarmo and Kat all looked at it, with Katarina Benzova bent over (WEEEEYYYY) and laughing. She then took a photo of Beta with the sign:

The security guard then handed it back to me. Asked Kat on Twitter if I could see the photo she took but never got a response :/

Hahaha yeah, he looks pissed.

That's awesome! What was Axl's reaction? I'm surprised they let you go in with the sign. When I entered, they searched thoroughly. They didn't allow any banners entering. Ah I could have meet Bumble . I have entered around 19h. Before that I rested on a beach and I watched only performance by the band that played before Wolfmother, Partibrejkers. Did you like them? I missed Wolfmother, or rather listened them from the hill nearby. I wanted to be rested and drank for GnR . So you were in the first row? You must have been exhausted. How was your view? The stage was quite high. How was the sound there? I was, let say 10-15 meters from the stage and in the first 30 minutes or so Axl and solo guitars were down in the mix, I could barely hear them.

Do you have any more pictures or videos?

2010 Vienna

I almost made the Bucarest show in 2010 and almost made 2012 Belgrade show, but in the last minute "life gets in the way"

That show was at the EXIT festival in Novi Sad, my latest gig.

I was there, too, what did you think? I thought Axl was z bit weak but the crowd were great.

It was great. They played almost everything I wanted to hear from the repertoire that they had, six songs I heard live for the first time that night. Axl was very cheerful and I had the impression that he really enjoyed the performance and that he was very pleased with the crowd response. As for the vocals, obviously there was a big difference compared to the show I went in 2010. Although my friend with whom I was also in 2010 show doesn't think so. But, due to adrenaline I didn't care that much. They need better sound system btw.

Not so much related...Some Hungarian guy who was standing next to me and who asked me at one point to step right so that his friend can stand next to him caught the whistle. It was only a few inches from my hand. I still believe it was intended for me.

Apparently, he started show thread at CD.com http://www.chinesedemocracy.com/forum/index.php/topic,49212.msg1175352.html#msg1175352

And I read your post about Canadian girl you met at the Belgrade airport in other thread and I remember I saw a picture of Axl with a fan at the same airport who kinda looks like you.

So, that's you, right?

2010 Vienna

I almost made the Bucarest show in 2010 and almost made 2012 Belgrade show, but in the last minute "life gets in the way"

That show was at the EXIT festival in Novi Sad, my latest gig.

Childish provocations should be ignored.

I think the reason why Axl chose to have three guitarists is that he didn't want image and sound of the band to depends on one man. He didn't want to make a new Slash, so in case of change one lead, the band wouldn't have experienced drastic change in sound and in the fans eyes as was the case when Slash left the band.

Agree, they need to change the order and the opening song. And Ashba's awful tone for Jungle. Sounds like it comes from a well.