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I will say I can understand this video was unofficially released, but it did exist on You Tube for years unnoticed. but if the "rightful" owner wants it down they have every right... I just don't want disgruntled fans being the ones to make those decisions.. It is hard to tell in the current environment what is real and what isnt

18 hours ago, downzy said:

The culprits are often not the same.  

Anything removed that involves copyrighted material that is owned in any way by the label is likely being removed by the label's request (or they have hired a third party to conduct this work for them).

Materials removed that are sourced from fans is the result of shitheads who have nothing better to do with their sad and pathetic little lives.  

Exactly.  It is the fan attacks that need to stop.  "Alfred" is bragging about attacking my GNR forum with a 3rd party takedown site on Twitter.... fighting piracy in a "tattered" cape of lies.. when you have sold illegally obtained material for years to line your own pockets.  If UMG wants it down and it is someone hired by them... then ok.  My fear is that this person potentially knows someone there has their credentials, or hacked info for an actual UMG account.  I don't put anything past these people..... but if this does come "official" from the band ala.."Prince" and you ARE hiring these people, Please reconsider, because it is creating a backlash and effecting your bottom line.  There is no fan more passionate than me and this is hurting that beyond repair... and I am sure I can speak for others in this situation.

7 hours ago, axlrosefan4life said:

When “Alfred” started doing these strikes he was talkin about getting mygnr shut down. Not sure how . 

Downzy commented on Copyright democracy thread that mygnr was indeed attacked by similar methods around the same time the take downs started received copyright notices etc, and frans posted previously showing an actual screen shot of that strike notice ....could be a "coincidence"  eyeroll.

Any one can do it through third party sites such as this...

http://www.takedownpiracy.com/

and anyone can draft phony legal notices, that look legit. As a fan you get a realistic letter,  If you were not aware of the issues here, would you fight it?  That is what these people are counting on... Its a sucker punch.

You tube removes it, doesn't look at the content.  It is too easy to do this if you have a "grudge" and these platforms need to take a look at what they are removing. They don't.

Too many people know about UZI Suicidal LLC now.. it is no longer effective.  

Just now, fernomenoyde said:

Thanks my friend but as i said it is my pleasure!!! Y LOVE making the videos and sharing them with all the gunners!

Glad to see you back my friend \m/

4 minutes ago, RussTCB said:

I feel like I should make something clear:

As far as I'm aware, no one involved with GNR or the record label has is behind this. No one from GNR or the record label has approached us on the subject, I can say that for certain. 

What we're dealing with currently is the same sad, one or two "fans" with zero life, so desperate for attention that this is how they focus their time and energy on ruining things for others. 

Thanks Russ. I hate that people point fingers at the band. None of it would exist it they didnt want it too, but what is going on here is just wrong.  Hopefully didn't go off topic too much. 

1 minute ago, killuridols said:

I understand....

There was never a GN'R persecution before and I don't think it is them now either. It is just that fuckin' idiot we all known for years and years. There's got to be a way to stop that kind of people. Social media is evolving too, its not the same as when it started, I think some companies now understand how important people are, their audiences, their users, and that they must be listened to.

Yesterday, I read that Twitter will implement a new form of stopping trolls and spammers. They will be detected via AI and silenced automatically when the AI learns their behavior. Hopefully, this idiot will only be a bad dream for us sooner than later, when all the force of the law falls over him. I once had a troll giving me hell  years ago. It looked like nothing could be done against them but with the evolution of digital laws regarding cyber stalking, cyber harassment, they were defeated in court and then begged to not have their lives ruined by the sentence. Too late for regrets. Served their right.

Exactly.  It really is sad to me.  Hopefully that will help with Twitter,  but often times they make changes and the spammers and con artists are already figuring out ways to beat the new system in place.  You Tube in particular has a lot of work to do.  They make it too easy.  You should have to show documentation of copyright before they are allowed to place a strike on you. IMO

12 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

Don't try to find reason in how GNR operates. And is it confirmed the band is behind the takedown of UT videos? Still, some bands might be opposed to unauthorised concert videos for various reasons including conflicts with their own plans for future releases of live footage. 

No it appears to be a disgruntled fan behind the take downs...  Which is a violation in of itself.  I cannot claim copyright simply because "I am butthurt"  lol

10 minutes ago, killuridols said:

Thanks for explaining so well

So if I create a video discussing the band, I cannot add any inserts of their music, their videos, a few seconds of my own videos recorded at the show, none of that?
What about old interviews from sources like MTV?

This is too complicated... how do the Youtuber gamers do then? I've seen them showing themselves playing games that surely are copyrigthed to their owners

Do you know of any good book(s) (or other sources) where I can read about the whole YouTube saga?

Of course! : )  I am still learning too.  You have to be a lawyer to understand some of it.  Again it goes back to "fair use"  You Tube exists in the form it does because of many of these grey areas.  It is free advertisement for a product also and is looked at that way by many of the artists/creators, and I  (the fan) do all the work essentially, but the artists profit from it so one hand washes the other.   At the end of the day it is the owner of the intellectual property doesn't want it up they will request a take down or block it.

Certain bands that are anti You Tube will go after you---Living Color is a good example.  Some artists want strict control on their content.  GNR has never been one to go after bootleggers unless they see fit.  GNR are pretty awesome actually think of all that is out on you tube.  They have the power to take it all down if they wanted......

As far as interviews, the owner could technically come after you too if they wanted... MTV is owned I think by Viacom.  A lot of mine are 25-30 years old, and most won't bother, but there is a risk involved that your channel could be shut down, but it is free promotion also.  A slippery slope indeed.

6 minutes ago, killuridols said:

Original content is material you upload but that you created yourself, right?

If I go to a show and record with my camera/phone the show and I upload it, is it considered original content? Or does it belong to the band because it is their show I am filming?

Original content would be like for example I create a video discussing the band, but I am not using there copyrighted content. Or I have a band with original content my own music. etc. Because the music you record on your phone is not owned by you it is the intellectual property of the band then no it would not be owned by you.  There is such a thing as "fair use" but that can be a legal grey area.  The visual might be legally yours because likeness in of itself is not copyrighted, but the music is.  That is why sometimes you can click on a video and it has no sound.  The owner may have chosen to remove it, and they have a right to do so.  Most concert videos are flagged by bots but most of the time are allowed to stay up so that the artists can make money off them but the uploader gets nothing.  The amount you earn is also super small unless  you have millions of views.  You tube recently made it even harder for original content to earn money with "adpocolypse"  so it gets harder and harder for the little guys to earn anything.

39 minutes ago, FRANSAD said:

I absolutely never made a single dime on my videos and you never seen me asking for subscribers, patreon or anything else.  The DTJ video was a bait video to get the strike from him and he did bite so it got pulled exactly as i wanted 

Posting music that is copyrighted is often not seen as a violation.  The artist places adds on your video and they profit from it.  If they don’t want it up there or the copyright won’t allow it, then it is usually blocked worldwide, but it is still NOT a copyright strike. If a person flags videos purposely and does not own the content that is a violation and there can be legal issues associated with that according to you tube.  I think a lot of people think people who post videos earn all this cash,  I laugh at this!  That is for original content only,  if you know anything about You Tube, most people will never get rich or earn a dime from anything. We do this or at least I do to give back promote the band we love,  and contribute and say Thank  you!  I was  very careful on what I monetized and what I didn’t. Posting concert videos is for fans sharing and most casual fans could care less about bootlegs.  It is a win for the artists because bands never made anything off bootlegs in the past now they can at least monetize and make money off them so for the artists it is an improvement so most times it is not the artist who is behind the takedowns..  As guns would say get in the ring… whoever started this may have regrets once the karma catches up.  Go get em Frans...

On 10/28/2017 at 12:53 PM, fernomenoyde said:

Ohh my... I'm a novelist, journalist, i'm very well familiarised with how things work on the web. If i write a book, for example, and find a copy on PDF format being shared without permisssion... well, that's one thing, because that's my creation, my work. Same goes to GN'R music but, going to a show, recording it on my cellphone and sharing is not exactly an "act of creation" of something new and original. It is just a video i took from a show i liked. Nothing more, nothing less.

So, the legal rights are always owned by GNR. Is theyr music, image, shows... In the worst scenario GNR can sue me or the original recorder (like Metallica did some time ago, but it was all about albums, not bootlegs). As i said: I ALWAYS SAY THAT ALL THE CREDITS ARE GOING TO THE ORIGINAL RECORDERS AND NAME THEM ONE BY ONE. I've never had a complain and people even send me whatever they film so i'm able to have better quality sources. Why? Because they understand (everybody understand) it is just for fun, because we like to share with other fans a different version of their bootlegs. 

In the other hand, nothing of this would be necessary with a band providing at least some proshot videos from random shows (NIN, Metallica, Linkin Park and many others do this weekly). But the terrible reality is we have to "steal" bootleg videos to put togheter by ourself "shitty" videos for everyone to enjoy... why? Because the band we love is lazy.

Have a nice day.

You are correct sir! Ty!

I have to disagree on drugs being a positive factor on a band being good I think when you are starting out you pour everything in to it, you spend your whole career working on those initial albums and you are inspired because you are still "hungary" This is probably the biggest writing inspiration.  it would be hard in my opinion for anyone to keep up such a high level for an extended period of time except for maybe a few exceptions  I think the fame you wish to achieve once you get it is the "killer"  in the beginning drugs open you up,  but it progresses to the point that it destroys you.. again just my opinion/ 2 cents worth

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1 hour ago, RussTCB said:

I was just about to ask about Petty.

All the pre recorded music as people filed in to the arena were petty songs but no live performance

3 hours ago, mrw80 said:

I just saw that. I guess it could be the WFC, but the seating behind the stage doesn't look like it. 

I also suppose the NJ thing could be an error. Maybe they are staying in Jersey?  Right across the river. Who knows. 

BB&T in Camden perhaps?  maybe event tonight at WF and couldnt sound check there? weird though

3 hours ago, IndiannaRose said:

New Jersey borders Philadelphia (PA). 

hmmmm and yes, I am in Jersey and could almost throw a rock at philly,,, it's close.  BB&T center venue is in Camden NJ interesting thought although soundchecking at another venue would be weird... Wells Fargo Center would def come up as philadelphia though

6 hours ago, noncert said:

That's what people had been saying last year, before the Linc, but they were close to an hour late if I recall.

Still better than when I saw them at the Spectrum in '91.  I think they started at almost 11 and played until like 1:30 AM.  SEPTA had stopped running by the time they were done LOL.

Awesome, thanks!    A DJ, though?  Oh boy, shades of Mixmaster Mike in '02...

a dj ? memories of 02...that's what i was thinking  too with those stupid dancing air puppet things on stage with the guy remember thinking wtf... boy I had no idea that was just the beginning