Frey

21 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

Transcripts of Axl's interviews in 2001-02:

- In Rio: http://www.a-4-d.com/t1683-2001-01-15-interview-with-axl 

- Interview with a radio station in Chile  (I think we had heard and discussed this interview and how weird Axl sounded): http://www.a-4-d.com/t1682-2001-01-20-interview-with-axl

- Interview to a Seattle radio (talks about a riot in Vancouver): http://www.a-4-d.com/t1681-2002-08-11-interview-with-axl

- Transcript of the Detroit interview @killuridols posted: http://www.a-4-d.com/t1678-2002-11-26-interview-with-axl

   Axl was asked if he was dating someone:

        Interviewer: Well it's great to talk to you Axl ... somebody here at the station wanted me to ask you if you were dating anyone, I dunno .. these girls here at the station, y'know..
        Axl: Ah, y'know, noone in particular... no .. no significant others yet...

 

Thanks so much to you as well.

You and @KiraMPD and @killuridols just helped clear up my long-held confusions and half-remembered misunderstandings.

You're my heros for the day

21 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

Probably it was just what Izzy said in one of his 2001 interviews; he and Axl were in good terms again, but when the subject of the reasons Izzy had left in 91 came up, Axl was looking at his notebook what Izzy had said in 1982 . Izzy said "okay, whatever" and walked off again.

Hmm yeah maybe

Although I was always under the impression that Axl mostly looked through his notebooks when he called Izzy late at night on the phone (at least that's what Izzy mentioned when telling this story I think). And I also somehow thought that happened later than the mid 90s, but as you can see above, I clearly fail at dates

@KiraMPD and @killuridols Thank you for your help. I will try to investigate this now.

29 minutes ago, Asia said:

A bit off topic here. I want to say that I HATE that Stump idiot, who caused the riot in St Louis and made the show short. I'm watching this show over and over again for the millionth time in my life and I think it is one of their best shows ever. Axl was in fact in such a great mood, so much band interaction there, the Slash's hillarious torn pants, Slash and Axl singing together in Dust N Bones, Slash trying to comfort Axl after he got that note from stamp (16:04) , Slash sitting on Axl's piano in NR with only shorts and socks on looking so funny dangling his feet in socks in front of Axl, Axl calling for Slash's shoes cause he didn't come out here to do stand up comedy and appologizing the audience for ignosring them cause he likes his band's company - all in all this show is full of such great moments... I just totally love it. If you haven't seen it for a while, do yourself a favor on this Sunday afternoon and treat yourselves once again

 

That Stump idiot actually was at the St. Louis show...

In case anyone here doesn't read out favorite source of news, Alt Nation

You know who to kill now for ruining the concert, @Asia

Chill people, there is already a thread about the whole retiring thing over in D&N and the majority seems to think it's just bad wording or a marketing gimmick on Livenation's part.

No need to freak out.

18 hours ago, Kris_1989 said:

Sorry, @Frey I was wrong in my other post. It was Marc Canter who said they were trying to work things out with Izzy in 96', not Izzy. Here's the post where he mentions it:

On 22.5.2015 at 2:12 AM, recklessroad said:

No I din't think at thisw point in time when Axl no longer trusts me that I can reunite them, however there was a time where I could have helped up until 2007. What I said was if they can work out their differences the best place for them to get anything new out of them would be to come to a space where they can just jam together in the same room and build on eachothers ideas like they used to back in 1985/1986. I don't really believe in the pass a demo around and see what you can add to it thing.

When Axl called me in 1996 and told me that Slash and Izzy are back and that they may work something out. I told him the very same thing, go in a room with the rest of the guys and don't come out until you have a record. Why would I think differently now?

That doc just tells the story of me and my time with Slash and then gnr. It also showcases Reckless Road and it was a cool story and will help fans find out about Reckless Road that don't already know about it. For the people that already know about it, its still cool to see the way it was put together with the photos and footage. I think they still did a good job except for the the way they named it and a bit they cut out about working out their differences first. By the way the guy that directed it also didn't like the way they marketed it. Now that you know what it is really about, watch it again pretending it was called GNR where it all started.

I'm very proud of the doc but I think uproxx didn't have a lot of class to market it the way they did. At some point I will probably make one with the real name for my website.

 

17 hours ago, Blackstar said:

18 hours ago, Kris_1989 said:

19 hours ago, Frey said:

Why randomly bring up Izzy and talk shit about about him, when Izzy was out of the band for years by that point? Why would he expect Izzy to sit down with them and write songs (or do anything at all with them)? @Kris_1989 ???

After the Juju hounds ended Izzy almost went back to GNR, so maybe that's why Slash expected Izzy to write for them? I'm not sure if they had another falling out or what happened but the material that Izzy wrote ended up on his solo record, 117°.  I believe this all was around the same time that Duff, Izzy and Matt played with Bo Diddley.

Yeah, I've been reading Slash interviews from the same period as the Stern interview (1995, when he was on tour with Snakepit) and there are a couple of comments like that about Izzy. He mentioned that Izzy went back and wrote with Duff, but he didn't want to deal with much (he said though it was all good between them and that Izzy played at one of his shows).

F- There's rumors about Izzy getting back...
S- Izzy agrees with writing stuff but he's not interested in touring... He doesn't want to deal with Axl y'know? The Rockstar thing... Like me, he just wanna play... We never thought GNR would become so big...

http://www.a-4-d.com/t637-1995-07-21-interview-with-slash

There have been rumours about Izzy writing for the next Guns album, leading to further rumours and speculation that he's going to re-join the band. How much truth is involved there, and how do you get on with Izzy these days?
"Izzy jammed with Snakepit in Chicago, and we did a Stones song, and it was great to see him. But Izzy quit Guns because of the same bullshit that sort of forced me to take off for a while.
"He's been writing; he wrote some stuff with Duff. He wants to write songs, but he doesn't wanna deal with the whole thing. And it took me a while to finally get to the point where I couldn't handle it either, y'know?
"He wants to write material, but he's not really sure what he wants to do. He's so laid back. He doesn't want to deal any pressure. Izzy does what he wants to do.
"As much as has gone on, and as much as I resent Izzy for quitting and all that, and leaving me in weird spots where I had to find a replacement weeks before the next leg of a tour, or if he didn't play on the "Use Your Illusion" records - which is for the most part true - looking back on it, Izzy's Izzy."
What do you mean he didn't play on "...Illusion" albums?!
"I had to double guitars up for him on most of it. He didn't play very much."

http://www.a-4-d.com/t638-1995-11-dd-interview-with-slash

This an earlier one (before Slash went on tour):

"When the Snakepit thing is over, and I've got that out of my system," says Slash, "we all seem to be pretty amicable about how we feel about each other as far as Guns are concerned. I just want to do a really cool Guns record, and I don't want to push it 'cause I don't feel like we have to rush it out to keep up with the Joneses. So when everybody feels comfortable doing that... I don't know exactly where [Rose's] head is at, as far as what that should sound like. It changes from month to month.
"But we talk," Slash continues. "We're fine. All the rumors and all that kind of stuff, it's between us. It's sort of like getting involved in someone else's marriage: You don't know what's going on, but people love to write about it. Me and Axl and Duff are obviously way the fuck more close and personal than they can even possibly put out in some magazine. That goes back to when Guns started, before we even got signed. The first quote that was in Music Connection was `They'll be great if they live long enough.'"
Drugs, and by proxy, death, are a big part of the G n' R myth, playing roles in song and in stage tiffs. "The only reason I'm working so much now," says Slash, "is that the last time Guns took some time off, that's straight where I went [to drugs], before the Stones gigs." (Which prompted the infamous Guns onstage "breakup" at L.A. Coliseum, with allusions by Rose to a certain band member who was "dancing with Mr. Brownstone.")
"This time around, having been really down and out and strung out and losing Steven [Adler, original drummer]...," Slash says. "Izzy, obviously, is doing doughnuts in Indiana somewhere. His own band doesn't even know where he is. I don't want to go through that again. I got off dope. It's been six, seven years."

http://www.a-4-d.com/t636-1995-04-dd-interview-with-slash

Thanks guys.

Somehow I'd never heard about this before.

Wonder what went wrong again that time. Somehow they always screw everything up

7 hours ago, Lumikki said:

And since we were posting old radio interviews, I also came across this yesterday, which is new (to me at least, I've never heard this particular snippet or interview before). It's Axl talking about his piano playing and how it relates to his childhood.

Radio host: "Axl, on NR you play some wonderful piano. Since when did you become such an accomplished player?"

Axl: "Oh thanks. I can really only play my own songs and I really don't have the time to practice a whole lot. I m hoping to get a piano to take on the road and work with more often.

I started playing when I was really little, kind of forced to. Something my father wanted me to do because he regretted he hadn't taken piano lessons, but they didn't really know anything about music, so they couldn't tell if I was doing my lessons or not. So I didn't really pay attention to my lessons; I'd only play my lessons for the teacher when I went in. Basically, I'd sit down at the piano for a half hour to do whatever, sometimes I'd sit there for a couple and I'd just make up things.

I think I could have, you know, learned how to be a lot better if I'd have been more dedicated, but there was, you know, so many crazy things going on in my household, that I didn't really need to be doing any extra work like that and it was hard to stay dedicated to something. But I did like sitting down and just trying to express the way I felt with the piano there and it was also kinda like while I was playing the piano, I wouldn't really be bothered by anything else going on in the family 'cause "He's working on his piano now!" (imitating his father's voice). So I wouldn't be bothered by any of the problems or have to do more work or be worried about getting yelled at as long as I was on the piano. But in the 70s when I started playing rock n' roll, my dad started getting a little bit wise when I was playing Led Zeppelin stuff on the piano and he wasn't very happy about that..."

Years later, Axl mentioned the playing Led Zeppelin on the piano thing again (in one of these 2006 radio interviews with Trunk I think?) and said his father hit him so hard he got knocked off the piano chair for doing that (or something along these lines).

About the bolded, I actually wrote a paper about this once for a class I had at university. On why children from dysfunctional, abusive or disadvantaged households perform worse in academics and other activities. What Axl says here is spot on- too much of a child's mental and emotional resources are taken up by worrying about family drama, so there's not enough left to really focus or dedicate oneself to other things. In Axl's case, he most likely drifted through school with relatively good grades because he's naturally academically gifted and didn't have to try very hard (as his teachers have also said), but I'm not surprised to hear the piano playing suffered due to his homelife.

I also really feel for him on a personal level with the "I'm sitting at the piano now, so I'm safe"-thing. My homelife was nothing like Axl's, but I used to employ the exact same tactic as a child when I tried to go unnoticed at home or in school. "I'm doing something (or pretending to do something) an adult wants me to do at the moment, so please ignore me and leave me the hell alone."

And even though it was something that was forced upon him, I'm glad the piano playing could give him a break sometimes and gave him a way to emotionally express himself.

 

I remember Axl telling that story.

Or more accurately, I remember Baz's reaction.

Baz was all "Duuude, WTF " when Axl talked about his father beating him for playing Led Zep on the piano.

Speaking of this, I have a question for @Blackstar and all the other people good with interviews and sources here:

I've forever been confused about how many radio interviews Axl gave in the mid 2000s (and maybe later on too).

- There's the famous one with Baz, Trunk and 2 other guys from May 2006. I thought this was also the one where Axl mentioned the piano story towards the end of the interview, but I just skipped through that one and couldn't find that part, so did he say that in another interview where Baz also was present?

- Then there's an interview where Axl was asked about dating someone and he replied that he had no one special in his life (I think that one was also in 2006 because I remember some people being like "So Sasha is no one?"). I think it was also in the same interview where Axl admitted being very sensitive about what other people and the media are saying about him, in particular I also remember him jokingly saying the line "When have you ever know me to be reactionary?" This interview is particularly mysterious to me, because I remember listening to it a long time ago, but I've never been able to find it again.

Can anyone help me out here? I can't be making all of this up, I'm not that crazy (yet)

Also I just listened to this...

On 28.7.2017 at 9:29 PM, MyPrettyTiedUpMichelle said:

OK, so my memory was a bit fuzzy on the exact order of things but content is all there.  

9:00 - Slash's view on women 'crawling out of the woodwork and the guy has no responsibility'  Severely dislike that attitude but anywaaay...

12:40 - Axl is willing to sit down (and work on new album) Izzy does nothing

16:37 - Axl the topic.  Howard being a dick and Slash's "He's a sweetheart" comment.  Slash also recollects the infamous, "I'll kick your ass" while on stage with Axl, which he LIES about here.  That incident is still one of my favourite Guns 'soap opera' incidents.  

18:36 - "Don't put me in that position" to Howard, who is still being a dick.  "We're real close, we're partners" about Axl.

Can I just repeat what a fucking dick Howard Stern is?  If you listen to the entire segment...that guy...I have no idea why Slash was always granting interviews to him over the years.  He is a proper asshole. I've heard/watched a few interviews now with Howard Stern and either Slash or one with Duff and I can't stand him.  I don't think he was Duff's cup of tea since to my knowledge, Duff only gave one interview with him, and he didn't look at all comfortable.  Howard said creepy things about Duff's ex wife - to Duff!

And so today I learned... that Slash is circumcised.  

#ThingsIDidntNeedToKnow

(Weird though. I would have thought he wouldn't be considering he was born in Europe and everything.)

(Yes, I watched the entire thing)

But it's actually full of interesting bits and pieces.

Like Slash's "No, Axl is willing to sit down, it's Izzy who doesn't do anything" comment.

Why randomly bring up Izzy and talk shit about about him, when Izzy was out of the band for years by that point? Why would he expect Izzy to sit down with them and write songs (or do anything at all with them)? @Kris_1989 ???

Also Slash referring to Steven as "the hypocritical Steven Adler" lol.

And Slash taking shots at Stephanie Seymour. Again.

Slash: "I'm just waiting to see when it goes to trial."
Stern: "Axl claims Stephanie Seymour beat him up."
Slash: "You know what, I wouldn't be surprised."

LOL. Between this and the "Stephanie Seymour is useless" thing, it seems Slash really, really disliked Steph. Not that I blame him or anything, but it is pretty funny.

Only Axl and Duff were safe from Slash's little barbs in this interview.

More Slash defending Axl:

Stern: "I bet you're worth more money than Axl. I bet he's pissed away a lot of it."
Slash: "I don't think so. He's pretty smart."
Stern: "Seriously?!"
Slash: "Yeah. Trust me."

Slash talking about how he didn't get his nipple pierced because Axl had his nipple pierced, so he did his belly button instead was pretty funny too, in a weird way.

And this (when they were talking about how painful nipple piercings are): "You know what, there was a point there when Axl was pretty volatile around the time when he got his done."

Is he saying Axl was volatile because the piercing was hurting him so much after he got it done, or is he saying Axl was in a volatile phase when he decided he should have his nipple pierced?

And Slash talking about his childhood again. Man, I'm always so weirded out when he talks about his childhood. All that stuff about David Bowie dating his mom and Slash's 6th birthday party with all the naked adults and naked children. Slash says he was really embarrassed, but if it had been my birthday party and there had been tons of naked adults hanging around and they'd made us kids get naked too, I wouldn't have just been embarrassed, I would have run away screaming.   But then again, my childhood was pretty boring and normal in general, so what do I know.

17 minutes ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

It's just the impression I got from reading his book and some shite GnR books over the years that things got dialed up to 11 once Slash started working there, hence the extra attention from the overall manager. I didnt mean he went out of his way to get him fired.

Ah, gotcha.

25 minutes ago, Tori72 said:

He so reminds me of his former self of the 90-92 era here. The gestures, the facial expressions.... Love to see it.

But what was he saying, I have difficulties to understand also due to the bad audio. He was talking to a woman on the phone and she said she had a boyfriend? What else was he saying and what is the "joke" of the story.

Love the way he says "click" and hangs up the phone pantomimicly, putting down a reciever like in the good old days. 

The girl also told him that the FBI busted into their house and arrested her boyfriend. The girl told the FBI her boyfriend was innocent because she had been with him the whole night, he was only gone for half an hour and it was something about 5 guys and a meat bunker. Axl immediately hung up on her because he didn't want anything to do with a girl who has a boyfriend that appears to be a killer straight out of a horror movie.

17 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

Yeah, it crossed my mind as well when I posted it. But maybe it was a low rank manager like Axl was, someone who was in charge of a certain department or a certain shift. And although I don't know anything about Tower Records and I've never visited one, judging from similar places I don't think the managers (at least the low rank ones) were the suit types.

Yes, that's quite possible. It's just that Slash's words immediately paint a certain picture in your mind now after what we were talking about lol.

2 hours ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

I thought I read it in Slash's book, I just have it stuck in my head that he said all of these things happened and then the bosses got sick of all the bad behaviour and as with what always happens to Axl,  they singled him out as the ringleader and sacked him. 

I could've sworn that's what he said in his book 

2 hours ago, Blackstar said:

I agree with all of you about the Tower Video story. It looks fake...

The excerpt from Slash's book:
 

  Reveal hidden contents

Tower Video was located directly across the street from the Tower Records where I’d been busted shoplifting a few years earlier. Axl was living with one of the managers, and once I’d joined the ranks it didn’t take me long to figure out that I was now one of a truly loony cast of colorful characters; I imagine that we were the most ludicrous and utterly negligent staff that any Tower location has ever employed. There were also some great, senile alcoholics who worked at the Tower Classical next door.

Every night at about eight o’clock, after the general manager for records and video left for the night, those of us in video would stock up at the liquor store across the street, throw porno movies on the store’s video system, and just drink. We’d put our friends’ bands on the stereo and generally ignore every customer that wandered in.

It wasn’t anything that the security cameras picked up because we didn’t have vodka bottles next to the cash register, so it went on unnoticed for a long time—I imagine, though, that if those tapes were viewed, we’d come off as lazy and unhelpful. We’d mix our cocktails back in the office and walk around with them in plastic Solo cups; we’d be ringing up any purchases with one hand around a screwdriver. I’m sure the customers knew what we were up to the moment we breathed on them, but nobody ever complained because they were shocked speechless. All things considered, we were way too scary for most people; they just got out of there as quickly as they could.

Unfortunately, one of the tighter-assed managers caught on to us and when he did, Axl took the fall: he was fired for the antics that we were all guilty of. Even then, I knew why: Axl has the kind of presence and star power that threatens authority figures; they see someone like Axl as nothing but a “ringleader.”

Slash doesn't say anything about Axl being the manager (maybe he didn't remember that). Probably that was why Axl was singled out and fired.

@MillionsOfSpiders I remember that story now, but I was confused because you said Slash got Axl fired and I thought that would have been a really shitty thing to do and I couldn't really imagine Slash doing that to Axl.

Reading the excerpt @Blackstar posted, it just seems to me like the higher-ups at Tower singled Axl out (probably because he was some kind of store manager as he himself claims) and fired him, but that wasn't really Slash's fault.

At the beginning of the excerpt Slash also says Axl was living with one of the managers (maybe a higher up manager?) at the time. Did they have a female manager or was Axl really living with some dude in a suit? I only noticed because it would fit into the picture of the whole prostitution discussion we had recently.

3 minutes ago, MyPrettyTiedUpMichelle said:

Thank you for posting these (just going back over pages I didn't have time to read properly and liking things now that I've got my quota back). These are lovely!  Duff!   Um...being new here and all, I've noticed there's an Izzy thread.  And there this thread, which is kinda like an unofficial Slaxl thread.  Doesn't seem to be a dedicated Duff thread?  Or am I missing something?

This thread is for everyone. It was the first thread down here in the Jungle of those threads that stick around. Izzy only has his own thread because @SerenityScorp created one at some point with the intention of learning more about Izzy. Somehow that thread stuck around too. But Izzy and Duff are perfectly acceptable to discuss in this thread as well and they do get discussed quite frequently (especially Duff and his family).

9 minutes ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

Didn't Slash say he used to used to play porno flicks on the TV screens in the shop and have all of his street rat friends hanging out there? That's how he got Axl fired because they singled him out as the ring leader and made an example of him. 

Partners in crime 

I remember either Slash or Axl saying that they'd drink beer after work and put pornos on, but I don't remember ever hearing anything about Slash getting Axl fired. Where did you get that from?

2 minutes ago, Tori72 said:

Still didn't sound that unbelievable, right? 

I don't know, Marc Canter says Slash and Axl actually were pretty good employees and took their job seriously. So I'm not sure Slash really would have pulled a stunt like that.

Saul? Billy?

Sounds fake as hell.

I'm pretty sure they didn't go by these names anymore at that point in time.

3 hours ago, purplestargirl said:

That answers an unspoken question I had about them traveling together.

They've been travelling together since this whole NITL thing started for the most part.

Also staying together in the same hotels usually.

1 hour ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

It still looks so weird, even after all this time can't go anywhere by himself. 

He looks like a little kid, especially when he sits on that box and watches the show. 

Yeah, that's what I thought too. And he looked rather nervous.

It will never stop being baffling to me that he can't go anywhere without at least 3 babysitters around.

3 hours ago, marlingrl03 said:

Axl's story from the other night....thanks to Bethany.

 

It's good to see him talking and telling stories again.

He should do that more often.

What did he say before the video starts though?

Seems like he was in the middle of telling that story here.

47 minutes ago, MyPrettyTiedUpMichelle said:

Can I just repeat what a fucking dick Howard Stern is?  If you listen to the entire segment...that guy...I have no idea why Slash was always granting interviews to him over the years.  He is a proper asshole. I've heard/watched a few interviews now with Howard Stern and either Slash or one with Duff and I can't stand him.  I don't think he was Duff's cup of tea since to my knowledge, Duff only gave one interview with him, and he didn't look at all comfortable.  Howard said creepy things about Duff's ex wife - to Duff!

23 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

Yeah, it seems it's Stern's style to try and make people to talk shit about their friends, bandmates etc. He had done it with Axl too ; he was telling him he was the most important in the band and that he should make more money than the others etc.

21 minutes ago, Tori72 said:

Me too. I detest Howard Stern. I dislike him in all the GnR interviews I heard (never botherd to listen to other interviews he did). He is always really disrespectful of women in general and aks innapropriate questions about the woman the guy is with at the moment. In an interview with Duff there was a girl present and Howard asked several times if they had sex (which they denied), then asked about Duff's marriage, then wanted to talk to the girl to ask about her cup size. I also started to listen to his interview with Slash but got quickly bored as it is the same stuff over and over again.

1 minute ago, Asia said:

Thanks. Yeah, I totally agree. Stern is a total dick. I also found a video where he talked to Slash in 1992 and Slash was drunk and wasted and he pretty much ridiculed him all way long. I think one needs to be crazy to want to talk to him. And he always tried to get them against each other and it's great that it never actually worked.

I agree with all of you. Howard Stern is an unbearably obnoxious asshole. And a creep (he was being really creepy with Erin too in that interview with Axl and Baz). And the fact that he doesn't just get away with doing what he does, but is actually very successfull with it represents everything that is wrong with this world.

The bolded: YES! I'm glad and weirdly proud that Stern's dumb interviewing tactics never worked on any of them.

(Also, I would like tons of posts here if I could, but I'm out of likes atm.)

30 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

Yeah, there was a thread about it in D&N a while ago (and I found another one from 2014), but now the video is gone

I remember Scott went along and said something about Axl not having eyebrows, and I think Sorum was laughing, but Slash and Duff avoided to talk about this stuff.

Thank you. That was a Stern interview too? I didn't remember. Maybe that video can still be tracked down.

6 minutes ago, purplestargirl said:

I started to lose faith in the whole Slaxl thing, chairman. I'll go put myself in the corner.

I guess Axl really does love Slash even though he doesn't show it as much. For fucks sake, Axl, it's 2017 and marriage equality exists! 

Frey, you could probably write a book with all the Slaxl stuff you've found. Lol.

I didn't find any Slaxl stuff lol. All the other people here produced all the material. In fact, when I started reading this thread, I didn't really know much about "Slaxl" at all except for the basics every GNR fan knows. I just... read and learned. And indexed lol.

10 minutes ago, MyPrettyTiedUpMichelle said:

Ooooh...what is this? Did Axl reveal this in an interview?  Hmm...intriguing...!

Google to the rescue:

RS Magazine, 2001

''I never said that I was bitter,'' Rose explains, characteristically concerned with making fine distinctions. ''Hurt, yeah. Disappointed. I mean, with Slash, I remember crying about all kinds of things in my life, but I had never felt hot, burning tears...hot, burning tears of anger. Basically, to me, it was because I am watching this guy and I don't understand it. Playing with everyone from Space Ghost to Michael Jackson. I don't get it. I wanted the world to love and respect him. I just watched him throw it away.''

3 minutes ago, lilacmess said:

Yes, he did. Iirc a Rolling Stone interview ca. 2000. He also revealed in that interview that Slash was "negatively seductive".

Oh right, "negatively seductive" I had forgotten about that lol.

12 hours ago, BorderlineCrazy said:

I can totally see Axl wearing that shirt 

Axl wearing a Slash shirt 

Would be absolutely hilarious

Especially considering all the Slash shirt drama in the past.

Please, somebody make it happen lol.

I think it's pretty nice of Axl to dedicate KOHD to Buckley.

Shows he's at least paying attention to what's going on with the people around him and taking part in their lives.

That's a good sign.

(Although KOHD is starting to become the "dead dog song" to me. First Rosie the Chihuahua, now Buckley the Cavalier King Charles Spaniel. Hope no one else has any dogs in danger of dying.)

And speaking of dogs... Why does Beta's (or Beta's and Axl's) dog have a photoshoot lined up?

Why can Blue take part in a photoshoot, but not Axl?

Are we getting some magazine article about Beta featuring Mr. Blue? Or is Blue a famous French Bulldog about to appear in a dog magazine?

Questions, questions....

12 hours ago, Tori72 said:

I have never heard of the woman who got pregnant by Axl. When was that and for how long have they been together? Did Axl react somehow to that?

The whole Slash thing. The whole thing makes me laugh. Apparently he never changed his sleazy and cheating self of the 80ies. I remember very well our discussion about the parts of his book about Meegan. I was one of us who found those things awfully disrespectful and hurting he said about her. Whatever it was that made her go back to him, I guess it was not a major change in his personality but something else. The whole groupie thing (forgot her name) is weird. It started someday in at least 1990 because Izzy was still on board. And then they met during VR era again and he's groping her boob? Maybe they were even "friends" during a time?

Woman who got pregnant by Axl: Julianna Sedbrook. Late 80s or early 90s. They never really were together, she was just one of the many women Axl was friends with and had "relations" with from time to time, similar to Adriana Smith. One of the stripper girls basically. She also dated Steven at some point. She's been discussed twice iirc. Once in this thread and once in the old thread I think. If you search the threads for her name, her story should show up somewhere. And Axl didn't react, because she never told him. He might have learned about it when she gave that interview though. Iirc, someone said a thread here on mygnr about this topic was locked because it might have been upsetting for Axl to learn about the pregnancy and the miscarriage? Or something like that.

And no, the stuff with Roxana The Groupie happened in 2006, not 1990. In 2006 Izzy was on tour with Axl and NuGNR and that's why he was around in all her stories.

11 hours ago, Kris_1989 said:

I know it's tempting to laugh at all the groupie talk, but do you guys remember Perla's "excuses men make" list she posted on Instagram? The one where she had "I can't help it. I'm a sex addict" on there? Maybe there is more truth to that than we thought? It's not uncommon for addicts to swap out one addiction for another and it would explain why he would hook up with somebody like Roxana.

I believe Slash used every single one of these excuses with her.

11 hours ago, killuridols said:

Ah yeah, THAT woman 

I keep forgetting that name because i know her with a different name, but yeah, she claims to be the woman that's in bed with Steven Adler during 2 second in the WTTJ video  and then she made up a story of being crazy in love with Axl while he was with Erin 

I'm not sure she can be trusted with that story..... I smell BS.

She's not lying about being the girl in the WTTJ video.

Iirc, Steven talks about Julianna in his book or in one of his interviews. I remember him saying something about dating a hot girl named Julianna at the time that he suggested should appear in the video.

9 hours ago, purplestargirl said:

Edit: Apparently a partner in crime refers to good friends who get into trouble or your significant other, which we know Slash and Axl are not in a relationship. My question is this: When the hell have they ever gotten into trouble together and when did they consider themselves good/best friends? 

Too many times to count and for multiple years in the 80s and 90s???

Oh I see @Asia already beat me to it lol:

7 hours ago, Asia said:

Answer to part 1: Probably millions of times

Answer to part 2: Since more or less 1984 until the mid 90-s, as for now, I have not enough information, however I think they're back to considering each other at least good friends

9 hours ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

I don't think it had any deeper meaning, it was just a way of introducing Slash and mentioning the riot. That's all. 

7 hours ago, MyPrettyTiedUpMichelle said:

Re: Axl's my partner in crime comment.  I took this to be a simple reference to their friendship i.e. this is my buddy, my pal, my mate, my partner in crime.  It's a bit of an old fashioned phrase tbh, I remember it being used a bit in my younger years where you'd introduce your mate as your 'partner in crime.'  Guess it doesn't get used so much these days.  I think Axl was just looking for an opportunity to crack a joke about the 'incident' and introduce Slash at the same time e.g. My partner in crime, returning to the scene of the crime - see what I did there wink, nudge - type of thing. I like that he said that. I've always been a bit sceptical about those two having patched things up but they seemed to be in good spirits together at Apollo and that remark makes me more confident that the friendship has been restored and it's not a sham.  I don't know why it matters to me that they're friends, it just does.

I agree.

That comment is not a big deal, just something nice to say when introducing Slash and also referencing their past history with this place. And as @dgnr just pointed out, Slash did think Axl jumping into the crowd like that was cool And you know, now that I think about it, in his book Slash also talked about getting pissed off at the St. Louis biker guy when he met him years later and the guy thought he could talk shit about Axl to Slash's face. As we all know, Axl read Slash's book and to him it probably felt like Slash was defening him in that story, so yeah...

Aside from that, I am not surprised Axl would think of Slash as his partner in crime in a general sense. In old interviews, they used to talk about how it's basically the two of them running the entire GNR machine. I remember either Axl or Slash saying that the two of them would manage band business and make decisions and then they'd ask Duff about his opinion. I also remember Axl saying that he mostly relied on Slash with band stuff or something like that.

And I don't see why Izzy would be more deserving of that title. It was Slash after all who made Axl "cry like he had never cried before" when he left. Yeah, Izzy made Axl cry as well for a couple of hours, but Slash clearly wins the "make Axl sad" duel   (I'm joking obviously, please don't kill me Izzaxl lovers )

5 hours ago, Kris_1989 said:

I thought she was 18?

18 in California. There's still a few states where it is 16 though.

I thought she was under 18 for some reason, but I don't remember that story all that well anymore.

5 hours ago, purplestargirl said:

In regards to unplanned pregnancies occurring from women having sex with the guys of Guns N' Roses in their heyday, perhaps that's one of the dark secrets Duff was talking about in his book when it came to the band and what he absolutely refuses to tell his wife about.

Maybe.

3 hours ago, killuridols said:

which Axl's child?

The one she claims she was pregnant with?

She spent some time with Axl, got pregnant and then had a miscarriage bcecause of her drinking and hard partying. That's her story.

1 hour ago, penelope said:

If Slash was wearing his wedding ring in that picture (touching roxana's boob) does that mean he cheated on Perla?

I thought she was very jealous  woman... This is confusing.

Thanks @Kris_1989  for the chapters 

I'm not sure that is his wedding ring, but either way, Slash doesn't exactly look all that young here anymore. I'm guessing VR era? So definitely married to Perla at the time.

And yeah, Perla was pretty jealous. She attacker that plus-size woman Slash supposedly had an online affair with when she saw her at one of his shows, so...

Does anyone here know the background story of that picture?

1 hour ago, Darkenchantress said:

The bit about the two teenage girls straddling Izzy like giraffes or something cracks me up. Come on... 

I only started reading this mess, but that already made me go WTF as well.

1 hour ago, Blackstar said:

Yeah, what he said there was probably along the lines of "intelligent models". I don't think he had another type of woman in mind...

Should have stuck with (or rather gotten back with) Gina.

The rock star and the astronomy professor - sounds like fun.

20 minutes ago, Kris_1989 said:

(Just kidding, obviously. That'd be creepy. )

Jokes aside, I know there was Desi but as far as I know all of the other women were around Izzy's age so I don't think he goes for the younger ones. Unless I've missed something?

That woman who wrote a blog about losing her virginity to Izzy was pretty young too, no? A 16 or 17 year old teenager, while he was what? 28?

20 hours ago, Blackstar said:

HP: What are some of the characteristics in people that you have the most respect for?

AR: Honesty. A person that sticks to their guns and follows their heart over everything else, strength and persistence, and a person who can find the courage to bounce back when it would be easier not to.

This is a funny one.

Because he's basically describing himself here.

20 hours ago, Blackstar said:

HP: What kind of women to you like?

AR: Let's just say I like discreet women, and they have to be intelligent, preferably much more intelligent than me.
HP: Can you remember your first date and where did you take her?
AR: It was with a girl named April, and we had the date in her room. I had to sneak in her window, and out her window.

19 hours ago, Blackstar said:

"discreet" women. It probably alludes to things "leaking" in magazines from Stephanie's side, like the one I posted the other day about Axl wanting her to do therapy with him. And, most importantly, he doesn't mention her at all in this interview and he doesn't come out as positive as in other interviews from that period. If the date is correct, this interview was before his RS one.

Yeah, that's probably what he means by discreet.

I find his claim about liking intelligent women rather dubious though lol. I've yet to see any evidence of that. When has he ever dated or been with a woman that would immediately strike you as intelligent? No offense to the women Axl has dated, but I can't really think of any (with the exception of Gina Siler probably).

20 hours ago, Blackstar said:

I've been (re)reading some interviews. This one from 1992 has interesting quotes, some relevant to the discussion here:

HP: Do you like being with people, or do you consider yourself a loner?

AR: I like a lot of solitude, but then every now and again I get claustrophobic with that and I want to go around a large group of people. After you've had a lot of solitude - I tend to get very vulnerable, it's like when you go outside and you start dealing with a lot of stuff, there just doesn't seem to be a way to slow things down. You can get out of the scene for a while, and then you bet back out, it all comes caving in on you all at once. I find myself pretty much vulnerable, like a little kid out in the world he hasn't seen before. It takes a while to get your grips back on that.

Well this explains Axl's endless cycle of living like a recluse and then suddenly appearing on the scene and becoming a party animal for a few days, before disappearing into reclusivness again.

19 hours ago, killuridols said:

oh, to me the passive-aggressive ones were:

HP: What are some of the characteristics in people that you have the most respect for?
AR: Honesty. A person that sticks to their guns and follows their heart over everything else, strength and persistence, and a person who can find the courage to bounce back when it would be easier not to.
HP: And which characteristics do you despise?
AR: People that have the brains and intelligence to actually create something, but they take the easy way to get the fast buck, rather than be themselves. I also hate dishonesty.

SLASHA

Hah.

I don't think he was necessarily talking about Slash when that interview took place, but considering his words here, it's easy to see why Slash "bending the truth" a bit later on (or "mis-remembering" things) as well as him playing and working with basically everybody who was willing would have irked Axl so much. Watching someone you love show characteristics and doing things you despise is hard to deal with.

1 hour ago, money honey said:

I never heard that. If it's true it's so fucking sad that it never happened. Even if he an Erin had still subsequently broken up, having a child in his life would have made all the difference to him, IMO.

Do we seriously believe that none of the AFD5 ever got anyone pregnant in the early days??? After reading Duff's book 'It's so easy', where he states that he never used any contraception in those days - and we can safely assume that the other guys behaved the same - it's statistically very likely that there were quite a few pregnancies. We've just never heard about them because, in my opinion, the women in question would have been paid off to keep quiet about it once the band got successful. In other words, in a situation where there's as much sex as there was in the very early days, the days of the Gardner St studio, and Hell House, there HAS TO have been pregnancies.

Another clue for me is also in Duff's book: he states that when Susan got pregnant with their first child, he had never experienced pregnancy in a way that was welcome before (or words to that effect; I'm paraphrasing as I don't have the book to hand right now). That to me suggests that he had experienced pregnancy in an *unwelcome* way before.

No. Steven did get a girl pregnant and he has a daughter somewhere out there that he has never met. I also vaguely remember something about Slash getting a letter once claiming he has a daughter in Japan (or something like that???), but we don't really know if there's any truth to that. So basically just an unconfirmed rumor.

But apart from that, nothing. And I do believe we would have heard about it at least in Axl's and Slash's cases if they had illegitimate children somewhere. Someone probably would have come forward to tell the tabloids "I'm Axl Rose's daughter!" or "Slash is my baby daddy!"

I don't think it's that unlikely btw- most of the girls they slept with were of the variety that slept around a lot, so most of them probably used contraceptives. And if they did end up getting pregnant, they might have had abortions like Roxana Shirazi or lost the child due to their hard partying life style (which is what Julianna Sedbrook claims happened to Axl's child). Doing hard drugs and drinking a lot can mess with your fertility too- didn't Slash even talk about that? About how he thinks the drinking/drugs were part of the reason he never got anyone pregnant and that he consciously changed his drug and drinking habits when he and Perla were trying to conceive to increase their chances.

I merely interpreted that line in Duff's book as him talking about that constant worry of getting anyone pregnant when you don't want to, not necessarily meaning that he did actually get someone pregnant before.

53 minutes ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

Roxana says that Anthony Bozza told her to call her book that, she wanted to call it something else, despite the content.

I don't know why I find that piece info sad, out of all the things she has to say, but I do. 

The guy that wrote Slash's book?

Didn't know he was involved with her book as well. Seems like there are a lot of connections between her and Slash

1 hour ago, killuridols said:

1 hour ago, MyPrettyTiedUpMichelle said:

Thanks for that info.  Well, my casual google search of Roxana brought up the following line: My legs were wide open and Sebastian was pushing in the vibrator when Axl walked in the room like the Phantom of the Opera.  

whaaaaaaaaaat??

I just googled this and I gotta say, I cringed reading that Dizzy apparently had no qualms fucking a woman that literally had Axl's name written on her "flower" (as she calls it).

Pretty pathetic. It's like some kind of fucked up metaphore for Dizzy's entire existence

4 minutes ago, Kris_1989 said:

Here are the GNR chapters from Roxana's first book that I could find online. It's pretty graphic so if any of you are bothered by that stuff I would skip this.

Chapter 40: http://imgur.com/a/M8Utx#mKNXSwM

Chapter 41: http://imgur.com/a/y12U0#NkAhzkW

Chapter 42: http://imgur.com/a/59zZV

Chapter 43: http://imgur.com/a/E3MCx

Chapter 44: http://imgur.com/a/aVAPl

Chapter 45: http://imgur.com/a/rbKv1

Chapter 46: http://imgur.com/a/8mXOr

Chapter 47: http://imgur.com/a/bDcQI

Chapter 48: http://imgur.com/a/rx1NK

Chapter 49: http://imgur.com/a/HBXkr

I'm not 100% positive but I believe there were Velvet Revolver (Matt & Slash) stories in there too but I couldn't find those.

Do I want to read this or do I not?

I can't even decide

But thanks for sharing in any case, I guess. I'm sure lots of people here will find it interesting

3 hours ago, Fang said:

My mom suggested to me once that Axl might be sterile. It seems odd that not even an acvidental child has popped up.

I doubt Axl is infertile, sterile or anything else.

He knocked up at least 2 different women (if Julianna Sedbrook is to be believed).  Both of these pregnancies ended in miscarriages.

Just because we haven't heard about any accidental babies, doesn't mean he has trouble creating any.

Duff, Izzy and Slash somehow managed to not have any unplanned children either. And yet Duff and Slash at least were perfectly capable of procreating when they wanted to.

5 hours ago, penelope said:

And no, I don't have kids, I know nothing ahout them and I don't consider myself apt to be a parent for lots of reasons. I just wrote of it because I felt it was a bit harsh to say no kid should have Axl as a parent. It was probably a joke idk, anyway, I hope no one takes this very serious.

Don't worry, you didn't do anything wrong. Different opinions are all valid as long as they don't get too -worthy.

For the record, I actually agree with you, I think that was harsh too.

2 hours ago, MyPrettyTiedUpMichelle said:

And now I'm wondering who is this Roxana Shirazi?  That's a pretty explosive birthday tweet!

20 minutes ago, killuridols said:

@Frey what the hell?

I remember talking about this woman before but I now I forgot who she is ..... What is her book? when is it coming out? LOL
What has Slash done that there are so many women lining up to destroy him??

She's a groupie.

She already wrote one book (called "The last living slut"), but apparently she's planning on writing another book? No idea when that one's supposed to come out.

She's the groupie who broke up Sebastian Bach's marriage and also got Dizzy into trouble. Iirc, she claims Dizzy forced her to get an abortion or something? I also vaguely remember her going on and on about how hot Dizzy is? And according to the girls in the Izzy thread she also has a thing for Izzy and tries to flirt with him on Twitter, but is bitter because he doesn't want her?

38 minutes ago, ana pri said:

 

Is this Roxana Shirazi????????                                             

I didn't actually know, but I just googled and yes, that is her apparently.

1 hour ago, MyPrettyTiedUpMichelle said:

Just curious, with all this talk of parenting and whether or not Axl would make a good father, is anyone here a parent themselves? 

Plenty of people here have kids. Off the top of my head I remember for example MillionsOfSpiders, money honey, janrichmond and Tori72 mentioning their children.

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And I'm taking this here to not derail the Izzy thread any further...

11 hours ago, Kris_1989 said:

 

11 hours ago, purplestargirl said:

She means heresay.

From all the GNR related stuff I've seen and watched, I've never seen Slash treat a woman like she's garbage.

11 hours ago, Archtop said:

Really? Read his book even he admits he didn't treat some of his exes very well. It's been a long time since I have read it ,but I think he was pretty awful to his first wife and also I don't think he was very polite about Meegan either. 

@Frey I saw the tweet because @Cold Jen Time answered it, I only know about her from the women's thread, she was pregnant with Dizzy's baby I think. (Wow, I hope I'm remembering this correctly) So it looks like she has something with Slash as well. How awkward.

10 hours ago, Darkenchantress said:

I'm not surprised at all. There was a time (no pun intended ) when Slash probably just allowed his penis to do all the thinking. He slept with Perla the night before his wedding with Renee, come on... 

11 hours ago, Kris_1989 said:

She didn't say & I think It was Baz's marriage that she ruined.

Well, obviously she exaggerates but I'm sure this will still cause a lot of problems when it comes out. I feel bad for Meegan, honestly. Hopefully whatever happened with Roxana was before Meegan was involved with him.

I agree with @Archtop and @Darkenchantress. Slash might not have taken it to the extremes Axl and Izzy did, but the guy is no saint either when it comes to his treatment of women.

Apart from the examples already mentioned, the "It's amazing how much abuse women will take..." quote we recently had here immediately comes to mind.

And if Miss Shirazi truly has emails and messages with "incriminating" material (or at least stuff that will make Slash appear in very bad light), then she is perfectly capable of causing drama and problems for Slash, same as she did with Baz and Dizzy.

Also, am I remembering this wrong or did someone here in this thread once mention that Slash actually follows Roxana Shirazi on Twitter?

If so, he probably saw those birthday wishes

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Gonna comment on some other stuff here later...

4 minutes ago, Kris_1989 said:

 

Oh shit

Didn't she already ruin Dizzy's marriage or something? Slash should be afraid

Anyone know when her book is coming out?

7 minutes ago, killuridols said:

The problem is that he's not "out there" like you and other guys ..... whenever he goes out is to those places full of models and other women of that type, so he's restricted to that because that's his natural environment.

It's like I wanted to marry a Prince how in the hell would I meet one if my social circle solely consists of regular bums like myself??

Yeah, but the question I was replying to was "could he even be attracted to a regular woman". And I'm saying yes, I think he most likely could, in theory. Now him actually meeting a regular woman to be attracted to is a different story, I agree on that.

7 minutes ago, killuridols said:

Um, TB kids, they don't live with Axl actually. Fernando has his home and Vanessa too. With the lack of patience he has (look at the video of the wrong car) I'm sure he wouldn't be willing to tolerate a screaming toddler throwing a tantrum for too long. I'm sure he's asked them to bring the children when they are not being assholes, and as soon as one of them is misbehaving, the nannies must run after them so they dont bother "uncle Axl".

And I'm not sure about the mental health issues and society..... of course, no one is tested before they become a parent but if you mistreat children and other people observe you and denounce you, I do think the government intervenes. At least they do here. We have official organizations in charge of controlling situations that go out of hand and they can really take your kid away if it is proven that you give them a bad life.

Personally, I'm totally against people having children for the sake of it, just to fullfill their needs of companion, a partner or whatever hole they have in their lives. Like I said before, I advocate for quality of life and not for just "living" because someone said so. Don't bring children to this world if you're gonna be a jerk to them, cause them emotional problems and wreck them for life. We already have too many people fucked up by selfish people who couldn't stop themselves from being egotistical fucks. Axl himself is the product of two people who were not meant to have children and shouldn't have raised any child because they were totally inept.

It looks to me back in the day he was pretty aware of this line of thought and that is something to admire on him. I don't know what is his take now. Seems like he's still on that line. We, as humans, can do much more than just reproduce ourselves like rabbits. It is time that we start looking for quality of life, not quantity.

Yeah the kids don't live with him, but we know they are over at his house sometimes and are on tour with their parents a lot, so he probably is around them quite a bit. And they're kids (and pretty young ones at that), so I'm sure them misbehaving around Axl can't always be avoided 100%. And even if they're only around him when they're happy and sweet... that still gives you some hands-on experience in handling kids.

I am also against people having children just for the sake of it, but hypothetically speaking (or not so hypothetically, since he has expressed that wish a couple of times in the past), if Axl truly wanted children, I wouldn't be appalled by the prospect and immediately start worrying about the poor children (unless I'm given a reason to suspect otherwise).

4 hours ago, Archtop said:

I saw her tweet, had to giggle, one of the harshest Happy Birthdays ever.

What's she done now?

2 hours ago, Oldest Goat said:

Whoops again! I thought she was a gay dude for some reason. Sorry.

#IDon'tKnowAnythinglol

LOL I was just about to say, SerenityScorp could only be a dude if she was a really, really gay dude considering how much she's into Axl, Slash and... Axl and Slash together

But yeah, she's a girl.

On 25.7.2017 at 9:46 PM, Georgina Arriaga said:

Fuuuuuuuuck

That is not fucking normal

In Axl's defense, he was also pretty drunk when that incident happened.

On the other hand, even on occasions when I was drunk as fuck, I never felt the need to throw a toddler-ish temper tantrum in a public place or to bite some guy's thigh

So yes, I do also tend to think this kind of behavior is far from normal and it's just one thing of many that makes me think Axl is (or was) more seriously messed up than a lot of people like to believe.

On 25.7.2017 at 5:46 PM, Georgina Arriaga said:

@penelope agree with you here. Yes about her family....I read in some place that even Beta's sister and brother had a job in some capacity in GNR...in my opinion that is very exploitative....I don't know if now it's the case, but for example, Vanessa's husband.... what he do for GNR? and you see in their Instagram "GNR family" and shit like that...and honestly I have not seen Axl in a single picture at those fancy restaurants where "GNR family" go

TB and TB-related people who financially depend on Axl:

Beta, Fernando, Fernando's wife, Fernando's daughter, Vanessa, Vanessa's husband, Vanessa's daughter, Vanessa's daughter's nanny, Beta's sister, Beta's brother, and I'm sure there's many more I'm not even aware of.

It's pretty terrifying.

23 hours ago, MyPrettyTiedUpMichelle said:

Holy shit.  That's helluva hot mess of co-dependency right there.  Fucking hell, Axl.  Well, he certainly doesn't need that kind of mother-figure!  What he needs is a strong independent woman with whom he shares mutual love and respect, who'll kick his ass just like she said she would, not pander to him like a brat, or use him to validate her own existence.  Must be so frustrating for his bandmates to see him living his life like that.  But thanks for that info, hey.  I am now very much more enlightened than I was before!

You're welcome. There's also another link to a post detailing all the reasons why people are suspicious of TB in the thread index if you want to read more about that topic.

1 hour ago, Fang said:

I think he would be a loving father. I think, though, that he may have given up the idea, seeing as how he seems more into intelligent models that a serious relationship. I wonder if he would ever even be able to get turned on by a regular woman...I don't want to think he is shallow. He's too intelligent for that. But most of what I have seen makes me think he is...

As long as she is reasonably attractive, I'd assume so. He's dated/had sexual relations with plenty of "regular" women in the past. And also more recently (Ellen Jabour for example is not a model, is she? Looked rather average to me in any case)

Also, speaking from personal experience, I've never met a guy who would "restrict" himself only to women who are certified models... I mean, why would you, when there are so many other beautiful women out there

23 hours ago, killuridols said:

omg the way you tell this story always cracks me up to hell

But we () children dont want that!

We () want our mom and dad to take care of us, be there with their cuddling, kissing, tucking in, cooking our breakfast and meals, lifting us up from the floor when we fall. We want our mom and dad cleaning our shit and vomit and for them to scold us too and join us in whatever games we invent. We want our parents involved in our lives, not scared of touching poop and blood and whatever comes out from our bodies  and not freaking out when we get fever and other diseases

I'm sorry I had to "revert to a toddler" here but I needed to be graphical so to make my points!

Well, it is a pretty funny story after all if you can have a sense of humor about it, so it deserves to be told accordingly lol.

As for the parenting thing, I think Axl would be perfectly capable of most of the things you listed there. He'd definitely be good at playing with and entertaining kids (going by what we've heard from other people), he can do the cuddling and kissing thing nowadays (he's doing it with TB and his animals after all) and it seems he can even cook and feed himself if he's forced to, so...

As for the rest of it... I'm just going to say I'm pretty sure my dad never changed any diapers either in his life or anything like that , but he still was (and is) a great dad. So the child won't be doomed by that.

The main problems I'd see with Axl raising a child would be

a) can he keep his temper in check when the kid is being difficult and

b) what if he has another depressive episode and doesn't crawl out of his bed for weeks?

I think with regards to a) he seems to have put a lot of thought into that issue in the 80s already and he talked about dealing with this issue again a few years later when Dylan was in his life. Iirc he said something along the lines of needing to remind himself to stay calm when Dylan was being difficult because he's just a kid and doesn't know any better. And he must have managed reasonably well, because for all Stephanie has accused Axl of, she has never accused him of mistreating her child in any way. He's probably also around TB's babies and toddlers a lot at the moment, so I figure he's got at least some amount of experience in dealing with them.

We don't really have enough information to judge how much of an issue b) would be nowadays, but in general we (as a society) don't stop people with mental health issues from having children and in Axl's case the kid would at least be taken care of by nannies or TB or whoever in the meantime. Which is already a lot more than most children in such situations would get. All in all, I think a kid could have it much worse than to have Axl as a dad and he might be better at it than we (or even he himself) would expect.

59 minutes ago, killuridols said:

There's no way Beta is not in his will yet. I'm sure she is.

On 25.7.2017 at 6:16 PM, penelope said:

Yeah it is crazy!  It is not so hard to imagine them fighting for the inheritance..

This is gonna be so, so ugly.

And it's not just Axl's private money we're dealing with here, but also the rights to the GNR back catalogue, the band name, etc. probably.

Imagine all of that ending up in TB's (most likely Fernando's) hands?

If Axl dies before Slash and Duff, I assume they wouldn't be happy about that either.

So I predict Slash & Duff vs. TB legal battles in the future, no matter how well they seem to get along with TB at the moment.