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2 hours ago, RONIN said:

Can you blame them? They have to put up with the likes of a failed incarnation of the band that was playing bowling alleys and birthday parties by the end. All because Axl is too proud to admit that the last 20 years have been a total failure.

A show at a bowling alley which you fail to mention was a warm up gig for the Governors Ball, where how many people watched the band? At a "bowling alley" which makes a point of hosting live music too (it's a famous music venue), didn't you hear? Did you also not hear how much they were paid to headline the G Ball?

They clearly didn't play a bowling alley because they had failed as a band as you like to make out, it was choice to play that venue and most bands play private parties too. Why are you trying to mislead fans? Why can't you post something truthful for once?

How can them playing a warm up gig at a small bowling alley for a massive headlining show in New York be evidence that they had failed and were left with no other option but to play bowling alleys? (which of course is your insinuation). Where is your logic? Up your Toyota Yaris along with your brains? That's like saying the current line up failed as their first gig was at the Troubadour, completely ignoring the fact that it was a warm up show for Coachella.

They chose to play that show at the bowling alley for fun, to warm up, the same way the current line up chose to play Troubadour for fun, warm up, give the fans a treat, etc. Nothing to do with what venues they can or cannot be a draw in.

Just now, Silent Jay said:

Mid-European tour -Touch Too Much dates. I think he got sick, very clean voice.

Oh, right, they weren't bad by any stretch of the imagination, they were just less impressive than some of the others.

On 09/05/2017 at 4:40 PM, tsinindy said:

About as epic as me sticking a red hot poker up my ass

Yet you still do it, in and out and in and out! whatever floats your goat

9 hours ago, default_ said:

We'll never know if they never try it.

Slash has just put a great hard rock album out with SMKC and Axls voice is doin' fine, we've all seem what he did in AC/DC and if he can do that live, he can do better in studio. I'm sure he can still give us some more epics.

What are you expecting from the band? Alien Cthullu Industrial Southern Blues Funky Core?
Dude, they just need to release a stripped down southern/blues rock n roll album with some Axl's Elthon John/Queen epics and a acoustic balad and fans r goin' to love it, maybe they'll even get a new hit.

They don't need to reinvent music, they just got to get back to the basics.

Southern rock? Slash pushing that sound is one of the reasons we didn't get another record with those guys. Duff and Axl both didn't want to go southern rock, not sure why they would now.

4 hours ago, Robert39 said:

Basic is not enough for the die hard Gn'R fan, the want exacly what you are saying..... reinvent and save hardrock !!!

 

BTW yes, Axl did some great AXL/DC concerts, but also some very bad ones !!

Really? What were the very bad ones?

On 09/05/2017 at 6:44 PM, Silverburst80 said:

That's the way i saw it. He seemed more pissed with the Youngs (" what do you expect from Australians") about how seemingly curt Johnsons dismissal was, Axl just happened to be caught in the crossfire, i mean saying he doesn't want Axl in ACDC doesnt mean he doesnt think he's great in GNR. I think Noel Gallagher said something negative as well about AXL/DC  but he's said he likes GNR on several occasions. End of the day The Who can pick and choose any show they like these days and they aint gonna be playing many more, the fact they'd team up with Guns shows me there's respect there.

True, in fact Noel said Gn'r at RIR3 was the best show he has ever seen, even said bucket was better than the drunk they had playing for them before! So I don't think he or Roger is having a go, they just don't like the idea. Which is fair enough.

43 minutes ago, tsinindy said:

Welp he rehearsed with AC/DC and that went pretty well....why do people support Axl on this?  I don't understand it.   Without fail he sounds like shit at the beginning at the beginning of a tour or a leg of a tour after time off.

he didn't with AC/DC though...why?  He rehearsed and for prepared like a fucking professional.  So it's just bullshit excuses otherwise.

You must know the answer to this? Or do you think he had a choice about rehearsing with ACDC?

1 hour ago, DieselDaisy said:

Pretty much. Axl was flying in their air on a piano with casino related motifs. The crowds were full of drunken tourists. Apparently the coins were made into specialised 'gnr' coins. It was unbelievably abject and naff.

I'll definitely catch one of these shows and if The Who put on a good show I'll be sure to see them at their Las Vegas show at Caesars Palace (that's a casino). Imagine that, The Who? The legends playing at a Casino? Will Pete Townsend solo on a flying carpet? Will short arse wear sparkly specs? I can't wait to see what they do at the show, shame it's just one show, but I guess the demand from drunken tourists just isn't there for a residency of this band.

Just now, DieselDaisy said:

Quo can sell out arenas in the UK by themselves as can The Who

Really? They played "the riverside festival" in my town for 200 people, tickets were £7.50. I guess the word of mouth from the little chef tour really does work. Good luck to them and NuWho!

It's not even the real Who anyway.

I loved the original band, but never been a fan of NuWho, this is just a cover band.

Paul McCartney doesn't go around calling himself the Beatles, neither should The Who. It's nothing more than a cash grab.

21 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

Thrill of the (faux) reunion I'm afraid. Once the hype has dampened it will be casinos again alongside Crue, Dokkon and Ratt and their other acts that they share a musical kinship with. Grow your mullet. Get your ripped jeans out (if you can still fit in them). Rawk like it is 1987 to a bunch of fat guys with plastic surgery and hair transplants.

Something that we both know will never happen, but it could happen to The Who. Playing supporting slots in market places around the UK with Status Quo is surely the only option for them once the remaining Little Chefs close their doors.

Just now, DieselDaisy said:

I can say one thing instantly: masterpieces are flawless. Is anyone arguing the Illusions are flawless?

Not sure anyone is arguing that, but we should argue against your incorrect definition of what a "masterpiece" is.

2 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

Well, The Who do not have a mullet haven - I'll give Guns that one. Axl can always return to Brazil - even when he had Ashba and the band was rock bottom he could return as they'd pay money to see everything that guy does.

Yes, he will always have Brazil, Europe, Canada and the USA. All the markets where his band is bigger than The Who.

21 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

Last time The Who came to my town they were playing an arena and were charging £80. I didn't go but it was a sell out, just as the time before that was also sold out.

Same thing happened when "Guns N Roses" (in quotations to save time, so please don't feel the need to inform me it was not the REAL Guns N Roses) came to my town. Sold out arena 2 days in a row then off to another sold arena elsewhere in the country. Shame that The Who now plays little chefs and premier inns, but I guess you take the gigs you can get, like supporting GN'R in South America.

2 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

Pretty much. Axl was flying in their air on a piano with casino related motifs. The crowds were full of drunken tourists. Apparently the coins were made into specialised 'gnr' coins. It was unbelievably abject and naff.

That's doesn't sound anything at all like the Las Vegas I know, what the hell got into them? Bringing all that naff shit to a classy town like Vegas.

Just now, DieselDaisy said:

Pretty much. Axl was flying in their air on a piano with casino related motifs. The crowds were full of drunken tourists. Apparently the coins were made into specialised 'gnr' coins. It was unbelievably abject and naff.

Will you be catching any of The Who's lobby shows at the Ibis? Great chance to see a legendary band "up close and personal". I think you get a free breakfast and cup of tea with every ticket too.

1 minute ago, killuridols said:

The Who are playing American HOTELS in 2017

They're playing jingles for new guests as they enter.

Roger is hard apparently, so he'll help them with their luggage too (if needs be).

2 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

GN'R were playing a casino two years ago.

Yeah, that's right! I forgot about that, just next to the buffet table and 1 cent slot machines, right?

1 minute ago, Len Cnut said:

 

I think that pretty much ends our business here!  Why 'of course', you say like it's granted that it would get bad reviews?  I wonder why!  And I wonder why the ones on Amazon would be good.  It's a puzzler innit?

Short arse, what, Pete Townshend?   And no the same logic doesn't work because it's obvious what Pete and Rog' have been doing because they've been right where they always were, as opposed to Axl who vanished from view, Christ, are you the GnR fan here or am I, have you not been following?

Because there is a massive curiosity around a band that stopped at it's peak and then releases another album after 17 years with the lead singer having disappeared from view in that time, how is that using it against the band, it's the reason it got so many sales...and then it was a load of bollocks, this was all said in response to your attempting to colour Chi Dem as some kind of titanic album that sold millions and millions of records cuz it was so fantastic when, actually, it was a bag of shite.

I'm sorry that you incorrectly thought The Who were a bigger draw than GN'R, but you should just accept that as true (as it clearly is) and get on with your day, instead of moving the goal posts all the time and talking nonsense.

GN'R are a bigger draw than The Who in all major markets... Latin America, North America and Europe.... they are the bigger band. Obviously, no? Unless, headliners now play before the support act?

Let's hope this tour goes well! Maybe GN'R will let them open for them at Wembley Stadium or something in future, I'm sure it'd be great for The Who to play to audiences that size again (god bless them).

Just now, DieselDaisy said:

Only in South America. South America still likes Motley Crue, Dokkon and Kiss and bands like that. It can not be taken as a barometer of the world who infinitely favour The Who.

GN'R are a bigger draw in the UK, US and Europe. It's just a fact, sorry, the numbers are there.

6 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

That is who you are discussing here with The Who, an act who were competing alongside Hendrix, Stones, Beatles etc - and often came out on top.

It is just a different plateau from Guns N' Roses.

And yet there they are opening for Guns N Roses! You should get in touch and remind them how important they are!

1 minute ago, DieselDaisy said:

I'm not wasting my time with this rubbish. Explain to me why Guns N' Roses play about twenty covers in their current setlist and one of them is The Who's, despite their fans wondering why ''they don't play Breakdown or Locomotion?'' Seems GN'R themselves prefer The Who's music over their own?

Hopefully they will play The Locomotion at some point!

Just now, Len Cnut said:

No, I'll give them every respect in the world for what they achieved with Appetite, Illusions, that whole era was fantastic...but if you think Chinese Democracys record sales are anything at all to do with anything but the fact people were just curious to see what ginger bollocks had been up to for 17 years then you're mental.  And don't take my word for it, read some of the reviews it got.  I suppose I made those up as well yeah?  The reason you're getting all tarty about it is cuz you know its true

 

Of course it got some bad reviews, but take a look at the reviews on Amazon.com for example, which is not a bad place to get a feel for what people think of an album. The last time I looked it had more reviews than any other GN'R album and was at 4.5 stars.

Since we're talking about The Who and GN'R, can't we use the same logic for their last album? People were only interested in it to see what short arse had been up to for the last 24 years? It's a stupid argument, all albums use buzz or whatever to push sales, not sure why you'd use it against the record.

1 minute ago, Len Cnut said:

I couldn't say, wouldn't suprise me if it was true though.

They are also a bigger draw than The Who in the UK, USA and Europe (where they sold a million tickets in one day).

1 minute ago, Len Cnut said:

Yeah...and it got fuckin' slated as well   The only reason that thing sold is cuz everyone wanted to know what the fuck ginger bollocks had been doing for 17 years...then when they found out, they wished they hadn't   To the point where he's had to eat his fuckin' words and reunion with a bloke he said he'd die before he reunited with to try and cobble together some fuckin' respect.

Yeah, we get it, Guns N Roses are a terrible band and any success they have is always for some other reason. The album only sold because of x, y, z, the tour is only popular because of this or that. Your neck must be getting tired.

2 minutes ago, Len Cnut said:

Right well you should've said so and we wouldn't be having this conversation.

And you'd said your bit about South America and then said 'Guns are the bigger band', which they're just not.

Being the bigger draw in 2017 and being the bigger band overall are two different things though, aren't they?  I like how you've narrowed it down to 2017 to capitalise on the fact that Guns have just had a long awaited reunion and hardly play any fuckin' gigs and hence are likely to have some pretty massive ones, by that rationale The Stone Roses are a bigger band than The Who with the crowds they'll pull in, in the year The Who played the half time show Axl Rose was playing for socialites in fashion boutiques and getting bottled off the stage in Dublin.

Huh? We're specifically talking about this tour, this tour that will take place in 2017! If you can't put clear words, sentences and paragraphs into context, then that's on you.

The Who need to tour with GN'R in South America because GN'R is the bigger band in South America. Is is true or is that bull shit? I don't give a flying fuck about the reasons for them being a bigger band in 2017, a fact is a fact.