Sunset Gardner

let's not get crazy... because they offered Gilby the chance to come out and play one song does nothing to right the fact they sold out izzy in cold blood over MONEY.   The three remaining members of gnr are greedy pigs.  

whether they replace IZZY with Gilby, bumbleface, chicken bucket, DJ Doucheba, Richard, me, you, my grandmother, YOUR grandmother... it doesn't matter, they are all replacements for the master, they are all hired employees working for their boss axl rose because they'll work cheaper and accept having zero say in the process.  

Izzy was available and willing, had he NOT been then Gilby was the  organic replacement and the gig should've went to him over axl's Yes employee richard. 

could've worked, they could've had their "mick Taylor" period with either him or gilby.  but maybe not, maybe the song quality would've been shit without the master izzy stradlin writing and filtering.  

if slash goes back to smkc and axl does a fake ac/dc record it will just be the BIGGEST waste of an opportunity for these guys to finally get back to being a band and writing new material.

if there was any sort of proper managment in this bands orbit, after they make their money off the tour, theyd be wrangled together, forced to write and izzy would be begged to return.  no izzy, no guns.

 i remain hopeful up until the point I remember this is axl rose and Team Yes. 

As far as axl doing a VR song or a Snake Pit song KEEP DREAMING.

Why won't axl do "Slither"? the answer is easy, he knows it's a better song than EVERYTHING on CD and he doesn't want to deal with it, he doesn't want to hear the crowds reaction that would dwarf the response to his own bullshit solo songs that he and Team Yes will try and legitimize as gnr till the day they die.  

Slash and Duff play Axl's solo songs, yet axl can't find it in his EGO to do one of theirs because he's threatened, and he's still not accepted that his expensive solo masterbation album written by employees will never be gnr.

so if slash goes back to smkc I blame axl and I blame Team Yes.

fuck cancer is right.  glad they're doing something positive. good for you three remaining members of Guns N' Roses and company.  

we've all lost a loved one to this horrible disease and I'm sure that includes the singer so let's give axl a break, he was hurt and he was angry when he called Slash a cancer, I'm sure he'd love to take that one back at this point.

36 minutes ago, downzy said:

Well, I'll have to take your word for it because I didn't go to the last U2 concert when they were in town.  I knew a lot of people who did and all of them were excited about hearing Joshua Tree.  Not once in talking with any of them did they mention being excited to hear anything from U2's last three or four albums.  

Downzy, 

i don't agree with everything you say but your posts are smart and well thought out and I found the back and forth in this thread to be very interesting.  

14 hours ago, RONIN said:

Yes, new songs will be debuted at Rock in Rio.

This will be the teaser for a giant retrospective box set releasing in Christmas which will feature AFD Remastered w/rarities from the AFD sessions, UYI: the original "naked" mixes w/ rarities (1/2 the album will feature the original drumming of Steven Adler), the 1996 "Lost Album" sessions w/ Izzy and Zakk Wylde, and Chinese Democracy era unreleased songs + the original "2000 Intentions" version of Chinese Democracy produced by Sean Beaven and a remixed Chinese Democracy featuring Duff and Slash. For nightrain members only, they will be bundling the box set with retrospective documentaries of the Appetite tour, UYI Tour (w/ backstage access to their legendary theme parties featuring vintage interviews w/ Mike Patton, James Hetfield, and Chris Cornell at the parties), the 2000-2002 shows and a pro-shot compilation 4k blu rays of the 1989 Rolling Stone/GnR shows, the 1991 UYI warm up shows, and the 2000 HOB show + warm-up shows at The Joint in 2001.

A bonus retrospective documentary blu ray of the "Wilderness Era" (1994-2005) will also be included in the box set. The "Lost Album" era and Chinese Democracy sessions are the focus of this documentary. It will be produced and directed by Werner Herzog in collaboration with HBO and narrated by Axl, Slash and Duff. The documentary will feature new interviews with the great Paul Tobias, Trent Reznor, Buckethead w/ hand puppet Herbie, Brian May, Izzy Stradlin', Matt Sorum, Josh Freese, Moby, and many others. These will be spliced with commentary and interviews from former producers and Interscope executives who worked on the Chinese Democracy project. Nothing will be held back. All the secrets of the last 25 years will be revealed....at last.

• You will get behind the scenes footage of those final Fall 1996 sessions w/ Slash, Duff and Matt rehearsing at 3AM with Axl while Del James and Paul Tobias sit in and observe.
• You will see Zakk Wylde and Robin Finck jamming with Duff, Slash, and Matt. Plus the "lost" 1995 Izzy sessions w/ Duff.
• The infamous last jam session with Matt Sorum, Axl and Paul Tobias where Matt yells "Fuck you Yoko" at Paul in the parking lot.
• Behind the scenes footage of Axl taking Slash to dinner and trying to convince him to sign on as an employee of the new Guns n' Roses in the fall of 1995. We will also hear the final phone call between Axl and Slash in 1996 and Axl's secret recording of the final dinner Axl and Duff have in 1997 where Duff quits the band. 
• You will see long hidden "media" footage of Axl running over albums sent by Interscope with his silver Ferrari and Buckethead terrorizing record execs with a butcher knife.
• The infamous late 90's Halloween Party at Axl's house where he's mistaken for Barney by a kid. The uncomfortable footage of Duff, Matt, and Paul Tobias drinking beers and trying to interact at the 1996 Halloween party (the day after Slash quit) will also be included.
• The crucial 1995 seance with Yoda/Sharon Maynard where she reveals to Axl that Slash and Izzy have bad psychic energies and may have been taken over by evil spirits trying to destroy Axl. Beta is seen in these sessions comforting Axl. Slash is rumored to be present at the seance, having flown out to Arizona in an emergency effort to save the band.
• Late 90's footage of Josh Freese and Billy Howerdell jamming and putting together A Perfect Circle out of boredom waiting for Axl to show up.
• The "lost" Brian May sessions with Sean Beaven.
• Buckethead's recording for Chinese Democracy w/ a dog shit smelling chicken coop and hardcore porn being played in the background as the man creates his genius compositions while Roy Thomas Baker stares in horror.

If that wasn't enough, a double album tentatively named "The Perils of Rock n' Roll Decadence" is being worked on now for a summer 2018 release and a three year "farewell" world tour to support. The 1996 "lost album" and original Velvet Revolver sessions featuring Slash, Duff, Izzy and Matt will be reworked with Axl (and Josh Freese)  as the first album. It will be a hard rock album in the vein of AFD and UYI 1. The second album will be more progressive and experimental like UYI 2 and feature four original tracks from the reunited lineup (including Izzy and Josh Freese) + Chinese Democracy II big guns (reworked by Slash, Duff, and Izzy featuring Buckethead, Josh Freese and Brain): Thyme, Soul Monster, The General, Oklahoma, Atlas Shrugged, Oh My God Remixed (industrial elements stripped out) and a new final trilogy of odes to lost love w/ Stephanie Seymour written by Axl and Izzy Stradlin'. There will be some high profile guest collaborations on the 2nd album including Daft Punk, Maynard James Keenan, Dave Navarro and Josh Homme. Richard Fortus, Melissa, and Frank will not be featured on the album nor will they be joining the tour.

Both albums will attempt to leverage vintage Axl vocals from the 90's and 2004-2010 as much as possible - anywhere from 30-50% of the album will be culled from these vintage vocals.  There will also be a controversial hidden track to stir up some bad PR and keep in tradition with previous album releases by GnR. An instrumental only double album will be downloadable on gunsnroses.com for everyone who bought the album. Mike Clink will be producing the double album along with David Bottrill (Tool) and James Ford (Arctic Monkeys). The instrumental mixes will be produced by Trent Reznor, Empire of the Sun and James Newton Howard (Collateral).

The three year stadium world tour will be a celebration of the legacy of GnR and a final farewell to fans. Songs will be debuted at the Superbowl, billboard and mtv awards. All members of the band will be doing press prior to and during the tour. Some of the opening bands for the world tour will be Queens of the Stone Age, Muse, The Killers, Arctic Monkeys, The Smashing Pumpkins (reunited), Pearl Jam and Nine Inch Nails. There will be a collection of co-headlining shows with U2 and Metallica planned to kick off year two of the tour. Steven Adler will be joining the tour to play all of AFD, Lies, and UYI material with Matt Sorum filling in as needed and playing the maracas and helping Dizzy with the bongos. Josh Freese and Brain will also be joining the tour to share drumming duties on Chinese Democracy and new material with guest appearances from Buckethead, Dave Navarro, Bono, and James Hetfield. To celebrate this momentous occasion, the band will be throwing mega theme parties all over the world after each show. Fans with VIP passes to the shows can hang out backstage with the band and attend these theme parties. There will be a rockumentary produced of this tour by Oliver Stone and HBO which will be released on gunsnroses.com to celebrate their final show. Live Blu Rays of these shows will be released + bonus songs jammed on tour with Izzy and Buckethead will be included on a three album greatest hits collection for the holiday season after the final show of the tour. 

It's a great time to be a GnR fan!

Ronin is the izzy stradlin of the forum.  fact.  

I haven't listened yet... does he say anything about feeling any sort of shame or guilt about  selling out izzy?  

27 minutes ago, RONIN said:

Au contraire, mon frere.

NO TOBIAS, NO GNR. 

21 minutes ago, RONIN said:

Ole was crucial to the sound of AFD. He's really the heart and soul of Appetite era GnR along with Rob Gardner. The work they did with Tracii is the foundation of that album. 

Royalties and publishing should have been rightfully given to those three with Axl and the boys splitting a 5% stake for their minimal input. 

once again Ronin is the only one making any sense. 

Ole Ballsack.  these "lineups" I keep seeing are hysterical.  desperate attempts by axlites to legitimize his solo record and shitty employee solo bands that covered gnr songs all over the world.  

the math is simple friends:

NO IZZY, NO GNR.  

What a load of shit.  I love all the  delusional people, past and present, who think they are or were members of gnr.  I get a real kick out of it.  

before gnr there was no gnr, after gnr there was no gnr.  Axl's illegitimate fake clown "lineups" will never count no matter how hard axl and Team Yes try.  And rob gardner, traci guns, and the others were never guns, never close.  No one believes this except the two or three CD fans who really want to believe there were multiple lineups of this great band so as to legitimize axl's lost years and lost record.  

facts.  

13 hours ago, Magnus Cavalerra said:

 

Dear Melissa, 

i like you and understand the role you play onstage.  BUT... to be clear YOU are not IN the band, you are an employee hired by your boss axl rose.

you, bumblehead, bucket toes, the drummer from axl's solo band, not one of you is, was, or ever will be a member of Guns N' Roses.  Sorry to rain on the parade of delusion axl and his enablers feed you.  

I would love to see all the bands collaborating on an agreement that "the seeker" will never be played or spoken of ever again.  

no izzy... no gnr.  fake reunion.  

they should get in a room and write face to face and put together one of the biggest rock n roll renaissances in history.  

but this is Axl Rose being "managed" by Team Yes so you can expect dysfunction, missed opportunities and a fake ac/dc record.   

I don't know that it's an official ban but more of a courtesy from axl's two band mates.  axl is the only one who would be put in the position to answer questions about stealing the gnr name, touring the world solo as gnr with no other band members, not to mention the questions about his fake gnr album made with hired  employees.  

If axl were painted into these corners by journalists he'd melt, he'd be forced to relive and justify the destruction of his prime years and band all lost to ego and terrible management.  

it's all about protecting axl from the truth of the mess he made.

The Tour certainly would've had more integrity had they not sold out izzy over money.  and it certainly would've sounded more like gnr had Steven and Matt not been so threatening to Fernando's singer. 

I think the tour would've made more money too... how much who's to say... with axl's employees filling out the other band positions word of mouth was that it was only "part" of gnr - WHICH IS THE TRUTH - so there was the reality it wasn't really a true reunion which keeps purists away because purists understand izzy is the foundation of the whole fucking house... 

I hope you're wrong but you could absolutely be right.  

as far as new material and I'm being very optimistic, maybe the covers are just step one... like you say just having fun, and maybe fun leads to new material?  

i know, i know... but a boy can dream can't he.

I don't mind the covers so long as they're not beaten to death like "the seeker."  

I think the covers are a good sign everyone is comfortable and talking and sharing ideas.  

there's no way they play "witchita lineman" if everyone isn't happy in each other's company.

my personal favorite cover is the studio version of HEARTBREAK HOTEL 

9 hours ago, Sosso said:

 

LOVE this song, very Stones, hate it that it wasn't a gnr cut.  anyone else feels this one as a missed gnr masterpiece?  

...thought there was something interesting going on in his "I feel good" vocal.  it'll be a real shame if they aren't working on new material.  

Baby Rann is amazing... one of the masters best.  

I hope "witchita lineman" and "I feel good" are signs they are going to open up a bit.  if there can't be new material off a new record then I'd enjoy the surprises.  Springsteen did a tour awhile back where it was essentially stump the band, people would bring signs with song names and the band would  pick a few and cover them cold right then and there, it was very exciting, very in the moment.  

and the deep cuts, it's hard to make sense of it, so many great gnr songs aren't being played.  "The seeker" should be banned forever imo.  

I dig they did this, not the best cover I've ever heard but i still dig it.  My only note is I wish they did this at the apollo show.  Would've been the right venue to pay tribute to the great J B.  

3 minutes ago, Tom-Ass said:

If they are smart they should let Slash have more say.. He has put this band back on top.

Totally agree, this would be a way more interesting/productive band if slash were in charge. 

Team Yes is not a management company, they are there for one reason which is to enable and say yes to the man who pays their salary.  

Slash, who lost his street cred after selling out izzy stradlin, is smart enough to not pick a fight with the childish lead singer, so as to not disrupt the millions coming in and any other potential endeavors with the three remaining members of gnr.  

So i would say Axl has the most pull, thus Team Yes because they are just axl doing whatever he wants, no matter how bad it makes him look, no matter how bad his "line-ups" were, they can not and will not stand up to the boss who pays them so well. 

if there is no gnr renaissance and the band ends with the tsi/live era records then Team Yes will take the blame for the destruction of one of the great bands and one of the great front men of all time.  BUT... that's what happens when you get the luckiest nanny in Malibu to "manage" you.