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On 2/10/2019 at 1:14 PM, Tom-Ass said:

This string of consecutive albums will never be touched

Beggar's Banquet
Let It Bleed
Sticky Fingers
Exile on Maine St (Double Album)
Goats Head Soup
It's Only Rock N' Roll

Aftermath

Between the Buttons

Their Satanic Majesties' Request

Beggar's Banquet
Let It Bleed
Sticky Fingers
Exile on Maine St (Double Album)
Goats Head Soup
It's Only Rock N' Roll

Fixed

1991: extremely raspy, almost painfully so at times, thin and very smokey (see Indiana 1991 for most extreme example of this)

1992: Much more control over voice, very full throated rasp. Wembley 92 and Tokyo 92 are examples.

1993: voice starts off the year strong and at a peak (March '93, SIDHY is recorded), ends with scratchy, thin, worn out vocals but with power and control; rasp is starting to thin out (see YCBM for example at Argentina '93 or You Ain't the First on latter half of 93 touring) 

1994: Voice begins to become a bit higher pitched while still being raspy; vocals still close to UYI sound (see Dead Flowers on Gilby's solo record and Sympathy). Rasp is there but Axl is using tricks and techniques to cover up weak spots.

1996: Voice is even more higher pitched but still raspy, but lacking the power of before (Anxious Disease - listen to how high pitched, weak yet raspy his scream is in particular)

1998/1999 - high pitched falsetto rasp, very "punky" in sound, close to his early 84-86 Hollywood Rose/very early GNR voice (listen to the Hollywood Rose version of Anything Goes and Reckless Life on Lies, and then '99 SCOM and Live Era re-recorded vocals, and you'll hear how close they sound)

Can anyone identify these two t-shirts?
 

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At this point, I would honestly take re-recordings of songs from Snakepit and Duff's first solo album with different arrangements and new Axl lyrics and vocals. I'd be happy with that.

On 2/9/2019 at 11:39 AM, ZoSoRose said:

Some reference photos and art leaked today.

Although not in them, the Knights of Ren are very likely in the movie. Their appearance lines up with someone who confirmed stuff from the leaks. Hell yeah

What do we know from the leaks? PM or spoiler tag it?

On 2/2/2019 at 6:23 PM, Creed said:

Yeah. Horrible art cover, horrible choice of cover songs and the covers itself were just ok. Axl got weird with 'my world' and this album is just a continuation of it. 

I mean a tribute Album with no Elton John, no Queen, no AC/DC, no Lynyrd Skynyrd, no Jimi Hendrix, no Aerosmith? These were bands Axl and Slash were inspired by musically... 

TSI was a let down, but its still OK. Just mediocre compared to the other albums.

It's supposed to be a punk cover album. That was the general idea behind the album. AC/DC and the other acts you mentioned aren't punk.

On 2/2/2019 at 6:47 PM, Creed said:

SFTD sounds good in many parts, but there is just sth that doesn't right. And that sth is Paul Tobias. And we will have the same problem with Melissa, 4tus and Frank in the next album. They doesnt fit musically.

Do you even know which part Paul plays on SFTD?

6 hours ago, DieselDaisy said:

For Guns to equal the Stones, Guns would've had to put out at least another eight Appetites. Really Guns had one great album if we are all going to be honest, Appetite. The Stones had at least eight masterpieces, and a whole host of near-masterpieces.

Would you agree on these as the Stones' masterpieces:

Out of Our Heads
Aftermath
Between the Buttons

Beggar's Banquet

Let it Bleed

Sticky Fingers
Exile

Some Girls

Tattoo You

Near-Great:

Satanic Majesties 
Goat's Head Soup
It's Only Rock N' Roll
Steel Wheels

Undercover

Emotional Rescue

I would argue that Lies is a near masterpiece, and UYI I isn't a classic album, but its collection of songs equal AFD (despite being very different albums).

I used to love it but as I've gotten older it's kind of a bland industrial track.

10 hours ago, jamillos said:

I don’t see it as a follow-up but rather as the next chapter of the band.

Interesting way of looking at it.

I see UYI I personally as a "grown up" version of Appetite, if that makes sense. If Appetite was a reflection of where and who the band was in 1986/1987, UYI I is a reflection of who they were in 1990/1991. 

From interviews back around the time of the UYIs' release, Axl and others said that each UYI was planned out in terms of what songs were on which albums to fit a certain theme, basically. The idea was (paraphrashing) UYI I would be the Appetite style record and the "skate park" music, UYI2 was the more experimental and Southern influenced stuff. on Use Your Illusion I, you've got the really aggressive rock tunes, short punk inspired songs here, LALD which Axl called "Welcome to the Jungle 2" back in 1990, NR as the big ballad ala SCOM, and then Coma as the dark epic finale track ala Rocket Queen. Also, UYI I is more the "Izzy" side of the UYIs whereas UYI II is more the "Axl" side.

If you totally exclude UYII (with the exception of Civil War, KOHD and YCBM which had been all released before September 1991 as standalone singles), how does UYI 1 stand up on its own as a followup to Appetite?

 

4 hours ago, Blackstar said:

From what we'd known, Axl generally doesn't throw stuff away. He is said to be recording everything (e.g. he allegedly recorded the rehearsals at the Complex in 1994) and then storing it in some "vault" (forever). And if he had anything erased, it was allegedly parts, not whole songs.

So what happened with TIL is rather unusual behaviour, even for Axl. First he recorded the song in various studios over the world but  "forgot" the tapes there (so did the rest of the band, if it was recorded with the band. And then, years later, when Dave Dominguez collected them, Axl had the whole song deleted, not even just parts of it (I've no idea about this stuff, but I guess it was possible to delete just the vocals, right?). There must have been some really heavy emotional stuff going on.

A combination of intensely missing Stephanie at the time, bitterness and sadness over listening to the tapes of a now dead band with guys who were just a few years prior who he now didn't even speak to....A lot of emotional baggage with the tune. For all we know it could've been the last proper, fully fleshed out song the UYI band recorded and hearing it, considering how as late as 2000 he was describing crying burning tears of anger over Slash leaving, it might've been just too much and he wanted to just erase it from his life.

3 minutes ago, jettesnel said:

But didnt Duff talk about the song back in 1996? The movie was released back in early 1997, Robin joined after that. It wouldnt make any sense of Calling the song "Jackie Chan" if it was made after the plan of releasing a song for the Movie were scrapped. 

Robin joined in Jan 97.

22 hours ago, Len Cnut said:

There's no such thing as a good band with a shit drummer, musically the drummer dictates the way the music sounds, there's an old saying in rock 'you're only as good as your drummer'.  Simplicity of the music means nothing, its about the way in which a given drummer plays the stuff, however simple it is.  GnR were never really danceable, never really nod-your-head-ish without Stevie Adler.  He ain't the best drummer in the world or even the best drummer for every style but for that Appetite style rock he was perfect. 

Take any band in history, the great bands, take away their drummer, put someone knew in and see how they sound, like The Stones without Charlie Watts would flounder, Led Zeppelin without Bonzo would lose their power, The Who with Moon would (and did) lose their engine, they never quite sounded like The Who again, The Clash without Topper Headon would (and did) sound ordinary.  Rock music is a format that typically comprises of 3 or 4 musicians, with such limited personel every element is important, most of all the beat keeper, its the bones of the music.

Both songs have Jimmy Miller on drums, no Charlie.

No Charlie here as well. Kenny Jones.

Jimmy Miller again here.
 

4 minutes ago, lame ass security said:

Man I don't know, lol, I'll beg to differ with you.  I think that's his real hair.

Bill Wyman (bassist for the Stones from 1963 to 1993) said Mick was wearing several different wigs in 1969 after he had starred in Performance, and he wore "one of them" for Hyde Park. His hair didn't regrow and he didn't abandon the use of wigs that year until the fall North American tour. That's where I got the info, from Bill Wyman's autobiopgraphy. 

2 hours ago, lame ass security said:

Wow, I didn't know that about Jagger, cool tidbit there.

December '68 (he filmed the short hair scene after The Rock N'' Roll Circus)

July 1969

I want a double abum:

Side 1:
90s Material with new Axl vocals/lyrics

Side 2:
Chinese leftovers with Slash/Duff overdubs

Bonus Tracks:
Studio Witchita Lineman
New Studio song (composed in/after 2016)
 

By the way I have a theory about why Axl's hair looked thicker in 2001:

As you can see in the October 1999/2000 photo, his hair was not even shoulder length yet. (Nu)GNR played their first show on January 1st, 2000. Is it possible that he wore a wig in 2001, not to conceal baldness, but to simply make his hair look longer and go with how the public remembered him since he was officially resurfacing?

An example of this is Mick Jagger is wearing a wig at the Hyde Park concert in July 1969 because he had cut his hair short for a movie role, but as "Mick Jagger, singer of the Rolling Stones" he couldn't be on stage with short hair in 1969.

3 hours ago, UsedYourIllusion said:

To suggest there may be quite a few tracks from the UYI sessions that have never been released is just speculation. Just because the Rolling Stones were extremely prolific during their sessions for particular albums, has no bearing in Guns N' Roses whatsoever 

I think there are only two confirmed songs that didn't make the UYI cut - Ain't Goin' Down and "Nightcrawler." The riff for Speed Parade also originated with these sessions, and the riff for Always on The Run came from the UYI era sessions but was deemed "too funky" for Guns. Ain't Goin' Down, per Gilby, was being worked on for eventual release as late as 1994 - he said it was the last song recorded by the iteration of the band which included him. You have Back and Forth Again as well as Beggar's & Hangers On being written on the road on the UYI tour - you can even hear an early GN'R version of Back and Forth Again on the Making of Estranged video.

But GN'R were nowhere near as prolific in the studio in terms of tossed aside ideas as the Stones have always been, not even in the AFD days.

4 hours ago, ludurigan said:

80s...

guy plays keyboard

guy can't write a good song to save his life

guy can't join a decent band

guy can't barely make a living as a musician

guy cant pay the bills

 

early 90s...

lucky strike: guy gets invited to the biggest band in the world

guy tours the world with for two years with the band, living a dream life that includes "nine fucking girlfriends" that 99,9% of the male musicians in the planet would give their left nut just to experience 

guy still can't write a good song to save his life

 

late 90s...

band implodes

guy still makes a living as an employee of the band

guy still can't write a good song to save his life

 

00s...

singer releases alternative version of the band who includes said keyboarder and other alien musicians

lucky streak: guy lives dream life and travels the world all over again playing everywhere thanks to the fabulous songs written by the five members of the band

guy still can't write a good song to save his life

guys badtalks one of the main songwriters of the band, one of the guys who helped write all those songs that are the very reason that allows said guy to live a dream life

 

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yeah...

you know what?

looking a bit closer on that quote, it is clear to me now that you are correct and i was mistaken

that Dizzy quote was PURE CLASS

Dizzy was actually gonna be asked to join GN'R in 1986, but he got into an accident and broke his hands just before. He's thanked in the AFD liner notes if I recall correctly.

18 minutes ago, sidman69 said:

last photo is said to be octoer of 1995 from what i've previously seen

I have personally contacted the source of this photo - the guy on the left of the photo. He said the guy in the middle is Critter - Critter didn't enter Axl's circle until 1999. I think people like to think it's 1995 but if you compare how Axl looks with pictures which are certain to be from 1995 (the Beta pic and Sante pic, for example, are 100% from 1995, as is the b/w pic from December 1995**) you can see his face is a little fuller and a little more aged, whereas in 1995, Axl looks like UYI Axl, just with shorter (but still long) hair and if anything, a little gaunt in the face. The pic with Critter perfectly fits the December 1999 RS description of Axl - a little fuller than the UYI days but not fat, with a head of hair roughly the length of Prince Valiant's (because he was in the process of growing it back from having it be very short).

Also, he has the same or a very similar white bandana in the pictures from that Halloween party in 1999 as he does in the pic we just got from July '98 whereas in earlier pictures he was wearing different colored bandanas.

**The Beta birthday photo came from Fernando's IG and he said it was 1995. The picture of Axl with Sante's kid has to be from 1995 as the kid was born in 1994 and he looks around at most a year and a half old. The December 1995 pic with a fan comes from a December 1995 issue of Metal Edge - the fan sent the photo into the magazine and from what I recall said it had been taken that month in Santa Monica. 

55 minutes ago, Fourteenbeers said:

What happened to that material after it was saved? 

Released and traded on CD as the "Satanic Sessions boxset", around 12 CDs worth of material.

On 11/20/2018 at 6:09 PM, Sydney Fan said:

Are the guys from the second photo from Indiana?. 

The guy in the middle in the second pic is Critter (record engineer who worked on CD). He joined the CD project in 1999, which dates that photograph and the other two to 1999, likely October.

Axl, March 1994

Axl, 1994

Axl, 5/19/1994

Halloween 1994 with Dizzy's daughter

Axl, 2/6/1995

Axl on Beta's birthday, 3/11/1995

Axl with Sante D'Orazio's son (GN'R photographer), sometime in 1995

Axl at a Santa Monica guitar show in 1995

Axl, December 1995

Axl, 1996

Axl with Sante D'Orazio at Coney Island, 1996 or 1997

Axl, February 1998

Axl, 7/2/1998

Axl 1998

Axl probably October 1999

Frank in my opinion is the only bad drummer GN'R have had. Studio wise, Adler is the best, whereas I feel live Sorum was the best. The songs were performed a little too fast and punky in the Adler days; WTTJ actually seemed MORE groovy with Matt on drums (whereas he stunk on Brownstone usually). Thing is, Frank's basis seems to be coming at things from a very funk sort of perspective, and while that element is present in GN'R to an extent, it's not the whole thing - but with Frank, he just doesn't have a feel for the songs.

Question is, I wonder if that 95 rehearsal tape had vox or not.

10 hours ago, The Holographic Universe said:

I didn’t feel it was pathetic or disgusting. He simply stated that Izzy wrote a silly song. I thought it was cool that Izzy write for the band in 1995. 

Did you know the entire lot of the Stones' rehearsals for Satanic Majesties' Request as well as some other of the earlier records was gonna be tossed in the trash in the early 90s but a fan who worked at the company managed to save it? Imagine - a band that big - huge chunks of rehearsal and behind the scenes stuff was just treated like disposable old junk the band had long since forgotten. You had over 90 hours of rehearsals for just one album - up to a dozen takes of each song or so, with band chatter and the songs coming together and being arranged - which would've been lost to history if not for the fan(s).

But yeah, Goat's Head Soup is the closest you'll get to a Stones record without Keith:

Dancing With Mr. D (no Keith - Mick Taylor on guitars and bass)
100 Years Ago (Mick Taylor on guitar only, Keith plays bass)
Coming Down Again (Keith on guitars, Mick Taylor on bass)
Heartbreaker (Taylor on lead guitar, Richards on minor rhythm)
Angie (Taylor and Richards on guitars, Taylor on bass)
Silver Train (Taylor on all guitars, Keith on bass)
Hide Your Love (Taylor on all guitars, no Keith, Wyman on bass)
Winter (Taylor on lead guitar, Jagger on rhythm guitar, no Keith, Bill Wyman on bass)
Can You Hear the Music (Taylor on guitars, no Keith)

Star Star (guitars by Richards and Taylor, bass by Keith)