DingBat

Nothing is flawed with my argumentation, they're the points I was contesting and I'm quite clearly right.

I've got a girlfriend mate, I'm not interested, this isn't the place to pimp your mother out.

Who's that your mum? No thanks mate, she looks rank.

So you agree that the music video industry is dead and there’s no point in making music videos anymore? And that no one goes to YouTube to watch music videos, because they're the points I’ve been arguing against and they are objectively not true. You talk about outliers, but all of the artists with big videos on MTV back in the day were outliers, Guns N Roses are an outlier, not every band that got on to MTV had massive success. It’s no different today, except that YouTube has taken over from MTV and has a far bigger reach and audience. So any example I give you of contemporary artists having massive success with their videos will always be unacceptable to you. But I guess you know better than the record companies, artists, and billions of viewers of this content.

And you don't know how to read or follow a conversation.

I've already listed a bunch of other artists in this thread who are getting billions of views on their videos and spending millions on making them. Shame you didn't bother to read that. Check out The Weekend "After Hours" series, check out Rosalia's videos, it goes on and on. I'm not going to sit here all day compiling lists for people like you who don't know their arse from their elbow.

Yes, I picked a big-budget video with millions of views to illustrate my point that music videos aren't a "dead medium". If they were people wouldn't be spending millions of dollars making them, and millions and billions of people wouldn't be watching them. Is this too hard for you to comprehend? it's pretty simple stuff.

Good, I was getting sick of talking to you, it's like trying to explain maths to a dog.

How about you read the full thread before YOU cherry-pick one post and run with it? Straw man. I didn't cherry-pick anything I just couldn't be bothered to compile a list of every big-budget music video made that has millions of views. Filmmaking techniques are a lot cheaper these days, so yeah they probably spend less money on them in general than did in the '90s, thanks Genius! I know a lot of the crew that worked on Deutschland and Radio and I was told it cost more than 6 million dollars to make. I mean argue all you want about inflation, it's not the point of the conversation I was having, what are you on about? And why are you going to Wikipedia? The budget is only public if it's disclosed. "Oh it's not on this list, so it can't be true". I was responding to someone who claimed music videos were a "dead medium", which they clearly aren't because artists are still spending millions of dollars on them and bringing hundreds of millions and even billions of views. Hence why I posted a video as an example.

Haha, and there it is, he got called a donkey (affectionally by the way) and used it as an excuse to run away because his argument that music videos are a "dead medium" that no one watches on Youtube was completely wrong. You could just admit you didn't know what you were talking about, and say "my bad", but not your style is it, pal?

No, I didn't, if you going to join in try and keep up. He said music videos were a "dead medium” and that no one watches them so there's no point in putting any effort in basically and we're lucky they even bothered. Perhaps read the thread of comments before you jump in next time mate.

Yes, donkey, people are watching the videos as well as listening to them, the same way they always did with music videos. It’s a dual medium. If people weren’t watching them they wouldn’t be spending hundreds of millions of dollars each year making them. They’d just put the audio up. But by all means, keep defending your ludicrous position that music videos are a “dead medium” - it’s very amusing. Perhaps you could take a poll of the billions of viewers and ask them did they watch or listen to the video and come back and report your findings to us? I’m sure the results would be fascinating. I don’t know where you're coming from with this, are you like 80 years old? Or have you been in a coma since the 90’s and just woken up? Or perhaps you’re talking out of your ass again? Look at the time, money, and effort, that went into Rammstein’s Deutschland, it’s more epic and expensive than any video Guns N Roses ever did at the height of the MTV era and it came out 4 years ago (It currently has 351M views). Do you think they made it just for shits and giggles? So someone can listen to it through their stereo at home? And they can throw millions of dollars down the toilet? Get a grip of yourself, you’re talking absolute nonsense.

A dead medium? That'll explain the tens of billions of views music videos get each year on YouTube then. Do you think videos were getting that kind of exposure on MTV? The music video industry has never been bigger. Clearly, you don't know what you're talking about. There are contemporary music videos on YouTube from the likes of Rosalia, Ed Sheeran, Residente, Bad Bunny, Adele, The Weekend, Luis Fonsi, etc, etc, that have amassed tens of billions of views on single videos alone, but because you don’t watch music videos on there you think no one else does. Yeah, there are complaints on here about the video, but no one has said they don't like it because it isn't some "big-budget production with the band acting in it", you've just made that up. And if there are comments like that on social media go and talk to them about it, no one here is or was expecting that. Objectively? Yeah, I meant what I wrote, it’s not some high-art experimental music video that we’re all too stupid to get. It’s a cheap, poorly-made, amateur video from a band that has the funds (but obviously not the inclination) to do much, much better.

MTV? Have you not heard of YouTube? It's been around for a while mate and music videos do massive business on it. No one here is disappointed that it's not a "big-budget production with the band acting in it", you've just pulled that out of your ass. People are disappointed because it's objectively shite.

They could have done something like Iron Maiden did, and it would have required very little input from themselves if they hired a proper artist, writer and production company to do it, but for some reason they don't want to spend the money. I've been a video editor for 20 years and I'd be fucking embarrassed if I'd made that video for The General.