Apollo

25 minutes ago, Bozo said:

What people seems to forget is the unbelieveble mess, from the legal standpoint, that this recordings may be part of. Ranging from songwriters, performers, producers, engineers, record company, publisher company.

Imagine what kind of deals must be solved to put out something that started to be conceived 20 years ago. Make a mistake and a litigation is waiting around the corner. Just remember the emphasis that Axl stated in his recent interviews bout the business aspects of the music career, and how he regrets not forming his own label. 

Yet somehow, thousands of albums are able to be released every year. 

Axl has access to the top “music industry” lawyers in the business. The label has access to the best industry lawyers in the world. 

Imo he isn’t holding up releasing an album because he can’t figure out what credit to give to buckethead on some of the songs. 

A more realistic guess would be him doing it out of spite and holding a grudge for ex-members leaving the band. He doesn’t release certain songs because he doesn’t want those ex-band members to get fat checks from them. 

3 hours ago, Legendador said:

 

Now, the leaks are out there, and there's no reason for the band to release nothing else.

If they release these songs properly, by the time they get to iTunes or Spotify they will be already old.

Anyway, I think this hinders any possible proper future releases, because of so many songs leaking.

That’s certainly one way to look at it. But most artists and creative types don’t think that way. 

I’m a writer. Right now I’m balls deep into a baseball history book. My final draft will look 75% different than my first draft (comparable to a music demo). 

I’ve worked in this book for about six months. If you leaked my first draft I wouldn’t just give up all the work I’d put into creating it, just because somebody saw a rough draft. 

I would keep working on it and perfecting it. Then I would publish my “baby” for the baseball world to read. 

Most musicians aren’t going to flush their “art” down the drain because 50 people on line listened to the rough demo. 

The final versions of Atlas and HS are going to sound a LOT different than what a handful of us have heard. 

On 8/2/2019 at 1:12 AM, jamillos said:

Last time Slash was in the band, they were releasing records every 2 years or so. 
Why do people constantly disregard that the ChinDem era and the Reunion era are two distinct, separate matters? Whatever had been promised by whomever ceased to apply by the 2015/16 dividing line. With the reunion, everything has started anew. 
And since 90 % of the "reunited" time has been filled by touring so far, there’s no wonder we haven’t seen anything new yet. We’ve been promised some studio work by the musicians (mainly Slash) once their solo tours are finished. Again, this has nothing to do with any repeated "promises" of the ChinDem era, with different musicians, management, and leadership structure. 
So far, they’ve only had a few months for any constructive work. 
Put it into correct perspective, people. 

Except that time line isn’t close to being accurate. They’ve spent more time not touring than they have together touring since the partial-reunion took place. 

1 hour ago, Crazyman said:

And why would he? If people keep coming to these shows he's going to do the same shit for the next 20+ years as well. 

Touring and merch pay the big money, particularly reunion tours. Releasing new music has no benefits for any of them anymore. Nobody buys music, streaming doesn't pay shit, and it won't be as good as it would've when they were in their 30's.

Because he is a musician?

And as a musician who is worth more than a hundred million dollars, one would hope his reason for being in the business wasn’t solely just to make money, but to create the best “art” that he could. 

It’s odd that people bash pop artists for vine sell outs and just trying to make money.....but then people say that Axl should do the same thing. 

I guess I’m just old school. I miss the Axl that released four albums in five years. The young rocker who once said he would hate to be in a band that just played and relied on their old hits. 

28 minutes ago, Nytunz said:

Isnt USA a third worlds country?

 

Dont leak anything... Let GnR work on the new album

Why would a leaked song or two prevent Axl from working on the new album?

The current lineup has been together for two years with very limited touring. They could have easily already written, recorded and released an album. 

And the leaks are 20-year old songs. Axl has had plenty of time to finished them. 

Chinese Democracy came out over a decade ago. 

Axl has more free time than anybody.....a leaked 20 year old song isn’t going to prevent him from recording a new album. 

If only there was an easy way for Axl to prevent this kind of thing from happening.....

15 minutes ago, Modano09 said:

Does it have anything to do with the number of people that worked on/written/recorded a lot of this stuff? Like if he dumps all this on iTunes, it's not just Axl getting the money.

That makes it even worse that he doesn't do it. Axl doesn't need the money....but the other musicians who are credited on the songs surely do. If Ron has a writing credit or two, I'm sure he'd welcome the songs be up for sale so he could make a little income.

26 minutes ago, Swampfox said:

So Axl can either sell these tracks on iTunes for $1 each and make millions of wait for the leaks and pay millions on lawyers and make zero on this material.  Come on Axl let us buy your music!

I'd buy each of them for $2 each!
Axl is my favorite singer of all time. But man, the guy has some real issues in terms of how he views his fans (and all the spoils those fans have provided him. Hundreds of millions of dollars, living the life of luxury, living in a mansion, hot chicks throwing themselves at him, etc). Obviously it's his career, his life and the songs he creates are his songs (as well as the band members who helped create them). BUT just speaking for myself, I couldn't keep my work away from my fans like Axl chooses to do.

If I created 20 songs and I knew that 3 million of my fans would love to pay money to get to enjoy them.....in good conscious, I couldn't say "I don't owe them anything" and then sit back in my mansion and let those songs collect dust for 20 years. My feeling would be "hey guys, thank you for all the support over the last 30 years. Here are some songs I worked on twenty years ago, please enjoy, I hope you dig them."   And I would want to get that music out to the fans, not have people stealing CDs and leaking unfinished versions.

Again - Axl can do whatever he wants with his songs. I'm just saying what I would do. At some point, when you are rich beyond your wildest dreams, when you are worshipped by millions of fans.....it's OK to do those fans a solid and let them buy an album of your work. Even if you don't think those songs are perfect, it's OK to just do something to thank your fans.

Just now, Arnuld said:

How much was the outlay? 

Rumors suggest it was one million dollars!!!!

11 minutes ago, Creed said:

Nah, we are talking about maby 5? unreleased songs in total. Songs that will be redone by Slash and Duff. AFD 99 will be never released. 

 

 

Why do people get so excited about AFD99? Am I missing something? Isn't it just the 99 version of GnR covering the album?

I'd much rather hear brand new music as opposed to hearing a different version of GnR musicians covering what might be the best rock album of all time.  Appetite is almost as perfect as you can get. 

Whatta ya think Team Brazil and Axl are doing right now?

"Ahhh, fuck it. What can we do. Let's watch Netflix and order a pizza" or losing their minds and trying to figure out how to stop this?

$15,000 is a lot of scratch to drop on a normal albums worth of music and a lot of miscellaneous music parts. 

It’s too bad that Axl didn’t just “clean out the vault” and release all those decade-plus old songs for his millions of fans to enjoy. Then he could have made a bunch of loot and all his fans would have been overjoyed. And he never would have to worry about leaks like this. 

7 minutes ago, guitarpatch said:

If it were taken off UMG property, that would be stealing. If it was given from a UMG employee, they could still claim possession. If it was from Zutant’s personal storage locker, it wouldn’t be his to sell. Even if it were sold on an auction. They could demand it be returned. 

If it was UMG property that was auctioned off by them or through an agent, then maybe the buyer would have a case. 

That story seems fishy to me honestly 

“Hey Intern Chad, go clean out Zutaut’s old locker. Throw away or keep whatever you want. If you see a bunch of band CDs, you can keep them or sell them. “

Its odd how the story keeps changing. First a guy bought a storage until and sold the contents on Ebay.  Now it’s a personal locker and he sold the CDs on another platform. In one version he didn’t know much about GnR.  Now he is getting $15,000 for them. 

19 minutes ago, estrangedtwat said:

Funny how one man's trash is another man's treasure.

Again, assuming this stinking pile of cow dung story is even real, to someone that knows nothing about GNR or even dislikes them, that would be a storage bin full of garbage.

 

Like if I suddenly came across unreleased CDs by Toad the Wet Sprocket.  I couldn't give less of a shit.  I'd be inclined to just dump em in the trash, but there's probably people out there that would kill for such a thing.

Wait.....are you subtly trying to say that you've got unreleased Toad the Wet Sprocket material???

What would you do if YOU were the one to buy a storage unit and then are shocked to find it contains these 20 CDs of unreleased GnR music.

Do you

1. On the sly, covering your tracks, share the music online for other GnR fans to enjoy?

2. Sell them to the highest bidder or trade them for other unreleased GnR music?

3. Send a tweet to Fernando and say "dude, I've got 20 cds that you guys probably want back. I don't want money, I am not releasing them on the net. Hook me up with Axl for a taco lunch, and I'll bring you guys all the CDs tomorrow."

Since these CDs were purchased legally and not stolen, would there be any legal ramifications from posting the music?

If you legally purchase a storage unit then you own the items inside it. If Axl was going to go after somebody, wouldn’t the original owner of the storage unit or Zutaut be the responsible party?

I would say the label would be the evil party IF they actually didnt back an album after Cd. 

Keep in mind, Axl didn’t help promote Cd. An Album that Axl worked on for 14 years and that cost 14 million dollars. Would you blame the label for being Leary of jumping into round two of that? 

And lol if Axl turned in a remix album for release. That surely couldn’t have happened. That would have been a ludicrous move on GnR’s part. 

On 12/27/2018 at 4:19 PM, gavgnr said:

Read a quotation from Zutaut recently and it got me thinking, what would I prefer if it was a choice between getting all the remaining Chinese Era music or a reunion in 2016.

I bet there’d be some pretty diverse options amongst fans, so what are your thoughts? 

New music. 100%  

Axl/Slash/Duff did hundreds upon hundreds of shows together in the 80s and 90s when the band was in their absolute prime. When they were literally the best rock band in the world. And they were touring what might be the best rock album of all time....plus playing brand new material. 

Seeing GnR in the late 80s and early 90s was like lucking out and making love to the hottest girl in school....and her twin sister at the same time. 

Seeing half of GNR in 2017 is like going to your 30-year high school reunion and making love to the girl you always had a crush on. Except now she is 48 years old, has three kids and the stretch marks to prove it, and she has put on 50-pounds.

Axl Rose is the best frontman of my generation. One of the biggest tragedies (music related) of the last 30 years is that he has chose to go a route of not sharing his music with his millions of fans. 

I would take new music all day, every day over paying $200 to see a half-reunion featuring GnR playing songs they made famous 25-30 years ago. Without question. 

tl/dr

Give me The General, Atlas and Checkmate over over seeing Melissa and Frank play It’s So Easy. 

I’m reading one of the GnR books and there is a quote from Axl pre-Illusions release where he said that he is writing lyrics for eight songs that Slash submitted. 

I apologize if this is common knowledge. But do people know what Illusions songs those were? I’m assuming Coma is one. The other seven are?

23 hours ago, Chester 524 said:

I agree.  Gilbys website says he did 9 shows in 2018.  unless he walked to each gig, not sure how in demand he is in. 

I didn’t say he was overwhelmed with doing shows. I specifically mentioned that Fortus was a great guitar player, but Gilby was known for his studio work  

He has a recording studio that is in constant use by other artists. He is in high demand for his producing work. Some goes uncredited on albums, as it’s often a matter of Gilby helping out friends.  An example would be a band writing and recording an album. They are stuck on a song or are in a rut. So they go spend a day or two with Gilby and he helps them work through the issues with the song. 

Gilby is extremely respected in the rock world. The only place I ever read criticism of him is on GnR forums.

This would be an odd thing to lie about...but it’s ok, my feelings won’t be hurt if you don’t believe me. 

5 minutes ago, gunsguy said:

I am gonna have to agree on this.  I have nothing against anyone including Mel, I just wish they would get into a studio and fucking rock out and record it

I like the way you think!!!

I don’t care who is in the band as long as Axl is on vocals. I just wish some incarnation of GnR would release new music. 

12 hours ago, default_ said:

Actually youre wrong, before joining GNR Fortus was playing with major artists and doing great for what he was, a session musician. He was already a successful and demanded session player, the fact you dont know what a session musician is doesnt make Fortus less sucessful. 

He wasn't known to the public because thats how session musicians generally operate, they do the jobs they're hired for and that's it. 

Not saying he's better or worse than Gilby (technically yes), just saying he was far more sucessful than Gilby would ever dream of hadnt he joined GNR. 

Gilby is actually extremely popular and respected by musicians in the rock world. He has more work - and offers - than he can keep up with. 

Gilby has his own studio and is constantly helping and working with artists on their music. 

Fortus is a great guitar player. But Gilby does it all. Guitar, writing, producing, mixing, etc. 

On 12/20/2018 at 4:25 PM, Tom-Ass said:

Why? For the better of the band. The quality of the performances suffers from the current lineup. They aren't terrible but could be and should be so much better. The CD era was the lowest and darkest era GnR ever had. Sure it has a cult following but they should have just drained the swamp. 

 Bro I agree 100% that if he was going to bring Slash and Duff back he should have had a real reunion. Not just half of one.